[69malibuvert]

I have a pair of old GM NOS fenders that I bought in the late 80's with part numbers of 3953853 and 3953854 - lately there have been a few fenders popping-up on eBay with part numbers of 03953853 and 03953854 - why the leading zero? And why would the "Genuine GM" stickers have barcodes on them - I don't think they were using scanners back in the day...any thoughts on authenticity or originality? Here's a link to an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0317112495&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 

[HOGDADDY]

Fwiw I bought a nos Camaro cowl hood from a local GM dealer years back and nos fenders too back when Yearone still had them in stock (over 15 years ago).

I personally picked up the fenders in Georgia and they were in GM boxes w/ lower extensions wired on like all other nos fenders I have seen.

Both have GM stickers, the fenders start with a 0 no bar code and hood has 0 and a bar code,
I have seen others without the 0 also I assume they are earlier period nos parts.

As for that Chevelle fender that is odd because I know even for Camaro's the fenders were discontinued long before the cowl hoods were.

I guess its still possibly real or could be nors I dunno?

Btw I recognize the Ebay seller he sells lots nos parts.

 

[zookpr]

'69 fenders were available from GM for a considerable time. long after many other parts for later cars were discontinued. A GM dealer can look up the numbers on the computer and see when they were obsoleted.

 

[69malibuvert]

Thanks for your help / advice!

 

[Jasons 69 Chevelle]

If a GM dealer retaged the fender they would not peel off the old tag.
The new tag would be placed over the old tag.

Anybody can fake a tag now. I think this person is ripping people off.
I guess the part could be restamped with old GM dies.

 

[Dean]

I'd call them "NOS ll - reproduction fenders".

A long time after GM sold the last NOS 69 fender, all of a sudden they got in a new batch from somewhere. (probably off shore)
I'm guessing that those are the ones with the bar codes.

The GM fenders I bought in the mid eighties didn't have bar codes.

 

[1badss396]

I bought a set for my 69 in 2005 from a TC member and they did not have any bar codes on them either. Mine just had the 3953854 and 3953853 paper decal on them.
Like Dean said I think those are just re stamps from china with a plastic decal on them.

 

[blacknblue]

I'd call them "NOS ll - reproduction fenders".

A long time after GM sold the last NOS 69 fender, all of a sudden they got in a new batch from somewhere. (probably off shore)
I'm guessing that those are the ones with the bar codes.

The GM fenders I bought in the mid eighties didn't have bar codes.

What makes you think they "all of a sudden got in a new batch"? Why would GM go to the trouble of sourcing an overseas supplier to stamp fenders for a car that was 25 years old at the time? Just curious. I work at a GM dealer and I ordered a set 5-6 years ago when they were still available. We ordered them on our regular CSO order from General Motors and they came from one of GM's parts plants on one of GM's Semi trucks along with everything else that was ordered. Why do some people think these are aftermarket? Probably 15 years ago I could still order both quarters, fenders, w/o molds and grille for a '69. Now the only thing left that I can get is a grille and I just ordered one a couple of months ago. Is it a reproduction?

 

[Pete 67]

The primer on this "NOS" fender looks like it's gloss black.

 

[Robinls5]

I have two NOS full quarter panels for a 70 El Camino in the basement. One is in the black & gold G.M. box the other one is in the Blue G.M. box. Bought these at Kenny Ross Cheverolet in the early 80s. No bar codes on my quarters. Bob

 

[Raven1]

The primer on this "NOS" fender looks like it's gloss black.

It's EDP coating. Been in the biz long enough to know that it has a sheen and not dead flat. NOS parts I've had are like this and so are new parts for your 2010 models. Others like myself were buying these parts for their projects from our local dealers. Most people today have never even seen an NOS piece of tin.

Read this about labels: http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=166162&highlight=barcode

I've got an NOS fan shroud and guess what? It's bar coded. Yes, there are people faking labels but not all bar coded service replacemant parts are fakes.

 

[Pete 67]

It's EDP coating. Been in the biz long enough to know that it has a sheen and not dead flat. NOS parts I've had are like this and so are new parts for your 2010 models. Others like myself were buying these parts for their projects from our local dealers. Most people today have never even seen an NOS piece of tin.

It might be EDP, but if it is, it looks like it was done last week. Which means it's not really NOS. I have a 66-67 GM NOS 1/4 that I've had for 15 years, & it looks nothing like this. It may not be "dead flat", but it doesn't have luster anywhere near this panel.

http://www.chevelles.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=41832&cat=18

It's looked the same since the day I bought it.

 

[Dean]

What makes you think they "all of a sudden got in a new batch"? .............
.................

Because that's exactly what happened.
They were sold out for several years then all of a sudden they had them in stock again.

Maybe someone found some that were hidden back somewhere, I don't know of course.

That wouldn't explain the bar codes but who knows, maybe they decided to put stickers on the old NOS fenders that they found?

.............
http://www.chevelles.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=41832&cat=18

It's looked the same since the day I bought it.

Those ^^ look blue to me.

 

[Raven1]

It might be EDP, but if it is, it looks like it was done last week. Which means it's not really NOS. I have a 66-67 GM NOS 1/4 that I've had for 15 years, & it looks nothing like this. It may not be "dead flat", but it doesn't have luster anywhere near this panel.

http://www.chevelles.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=41832&cat=18

It's looked the same since the day I bought it.

I have seen NOS tin in various degrees of degradation depending on how they were stored, some were awful looking. Others were as if they were stored neatly and in a dry environment for years. Sellers often use the words NOS as a loose description of a part's non-reproduction status. That fender in the link was obviously not in the parts room in 1969. Only someone who has the thing in their hands is going to know if the seller is pulling a fast one as stated previously. I don't know, but when was the last fender pulled from a GM die and a bar coded sticker applied? Anyone have any concrete data on that?

 

[F1 Speed]

Not sure if this helps but...............
Here's a set that I have with Bar Codes & a 0 in the part number. Have had several (4)reputable & knowledgable restoration shops tell me that they are indeed Genuine GM NOS fenders. So far no one that has looked at them has questioned the authentisity and want to buy them from me.

 

[Keith Tedford]

What GM used to do was wait until they had enough orders to make a profitable production run of fenders, quarters etc. Back in the'60s they had to have parts available for ten years. After that, we stripped out the old dies and reused the die shoes for new dies. That was the job for a couple of tool and die apprentices every fall out in the storage field, tearing apart ten year old dies. I remember them doing runs of old fenders on weekends so that it didn't interfere with regular production. I bought new Quarters from GM in January '98. They have the bar code and part number starting with "0".

 

[SilverBullet 1BadRat]

I have a pair of old GM NOS fenders that I bought in the late 80's with part numbers of 3953853 and 3953854 - lately there have been a few fenders popping-up on eBay with part numbers of 03953853 and 03953854 - why the leading zero? And why would the "Genuine GM" stickers have barcodes on them - I don't think they were using scanners back in the day...any thoughts on authenticity or originality? Here's a link to an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360317112495&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I have a pair of old GM NOS fenders that I bought in the late 80's with part numbers of 3953853 and 3953854 - lately there have been a few fenders popping-up on eBay with part numbers of 03953853 and 03953854 - why the leading zero? And why would the "Genuine GM" stickers have barcodes on them - I don't think they were using scanners back in the day...any thoughts on authenticity or originality? Here's a link to an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360317112495&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 

[amx364]

SilverBullet- the Recommended Reading is often very old posts, this one being from 2010. Now YOU did wake this from the dead, why? And what did you want to say?

 

[Capt Casey]

resurrected from the depths.....

 

[SilverBullet 1BadRat]

I was looking for NOS fenders for my '69 SS.