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What do you guys think of this? Seem like it's period correct drivetrain, but not numbers matching, advertised as an LS-6. Need more proof to be sure?
LS-6 Chevelle
LS-6 Chevelle
70 LS-6 Chevelle at dealer
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1970 Black Cherry LS5 / M22 Convertible and 1970 Cranberry Red L34 / TH400 Convertible
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Food for thought....per Robert Genat in his book Chevy SS: 50 Years of Super Sport, exact production figures for the 1970 LS6 Convertible are not known, but it is thought to be in the 200-unit range. Now with that said...it's believed that less than 20 had manual transmissions.
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Nice clone. I would think that if you're going to build that nice of a clone, why put the chrome vertical strip on the grill? Why did you put the wrong alternator bracket on? Why did you leave the trunk lid Chevelle by Chevrolet badge off? Still a very nice car. And the price is in the right ballpark for a 70 convertible LS6 clone.
how do they post 130 photos of this car but not one of the engine bay?
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There are a couple of partials and in the video you can get a look at it. They should show a good shot of the engine. My guess is there are incorrect things they don't want to show. The cowl tag is very strange. The date code shows only the D for forth week, no month. They went to to trouble to scrap the paint for the black bucket seats and the Cranberry Red but not the month. My guess would be that the month is too early for LS6.
Ya that would make sense, but even the wrong engine would look nice and I would think would be photographed. I was just surprised that's all.
I liked the way this site looked initially, then I went down all the inventory (I'm looking for an old truck) but the more I look and the CLOSER I look the worse these cars are! paint is not perfect, body work is not perfect. its a 5ft vehicle. They look good from 5ft away but the closer you get the more little things that stand out. but I suppose price reflects for that reason.
I liked the way this site looked initially, then I went down all the inventory (I'm looking for an old truck) but the more I look and the CLOSER I look the worse these cars are! paint is not perfect, body work is not perfect. its a 5ft vehicle. They look good from 5ft away but the closer you get the more little things that stand out. but I suppose price reflects for that reason.
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Without question, it is a super nice clone. And I did (or did not) see a few things such as already mentioned.
Does the F41 suspension not include the rear sway bar???
I was kind of disappointed to see the "local muffler shop" style rear muffler hangers. Replacement type, more or less, original hangers are available. I have bought 2 sets from Rock Auto for our 70.
I'm surprised that it does not have an M22. At the least, I'd tear the tranny down and install an M22W gear set in it. I did that to our 70 and I really like it. Also, I'd buy and install a replica M U N C I E shifter handle.
Are we totally picking it apart? Well, yes. When one is cloned as nice as that one, it's going to be picked apart------------------------because there is nothing left to do!
I never did see a price (did I miss it?). Anyone know what the price is? (never mind, I found it)
Does the F41 suspension not include the rear sway bar???
I was kind of disappointed to see the "local muffler shop" style rear muffler hangers. Replacement type, more or less, original hangers are available. I have bought 2 sets from Rock Auto for our 70.
I'm surprised that it does not have an M22. At the least, I'd tear the tranny down and install an M22W gear set in it. I did that to our 70 and I really like it. Also, I'd buy and install a replica M U N C I E shifter handle.
Are we totally picking it apart? Well, yes. When one is cloned as nice as that one, it's going to be picked apart------------------------because there is nothing left to do!
I never did see a price (did I miss it?). Anyone know what the price is? (never mind, I found it)
man those muffle hangers are awful to look at.
are we picking it apart? ya a bit. some of the things that are "wrong" with it are not immediately noticeable. like the muffler straps. you would never see them unless you're under the car. so does it matter? not really but it comes across as kind of backyard/bush fix a bit.
Since its a clone, it is a little upsetting that they advertise it as a SS. ive seen a bunch for sale online but they atleast have the sense to say SS CLONE not just SS.
M22 I didn't even realize but you are right. A lot of the cars they sell are done to be visually appealing but that's it. I wonder if that's their business model.... They buy project cars and then just go through the engine to make sure it works then metal, upholstery and paint. That makes the reason for the mismatched parts make a little more sense?
end of the day, its not worth $98,998 USD. not to me anyways.
are we picking it apart? ya a bit. some of the things that are "wrong" with it are not immediately noticeable. like the muffler straps. you would never see them unless you're under the car. so does it matter? not really but it comes across as kind of backyard/bush fix a bit.
Since its a clone, it is a little upsetting that they advertise it as a SS. ive seen a bunch for sale online but they atleast have the sense to say SS CLONE not just SS.
M22 I didn't even realize but you are right. A lot of the cars they sell are done to be visually appealing but that's it. I wonder if that's their business model.... They buy project cars and then just go through the engine to make sure it works then metal, upholstery and paint. That makes the reason for the mismatched parts make a little more sense?
end of the day, its not worth $98,998 USD. not to me anyways.
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As mentioned before, the vertical chrome in the grill is not correct. They come in the kit for Malibu's. They should at least pay attention to small details like this. In addition, LS6 cars did not come with AC, but I can be mistaken as I am going by memory. The real SS convertibles sell for 200K plus at BJ and Mecum.
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In the text about this car the AC is mentioned about not being correct. But then they also admitt the car is not legit. Cloned/Tribute/Wanna Be SS cars are like fake boobs. They grab ones attention and some look very good and even though you know they're not real they are still fun to look at.
Classic car dealers all suck IMO. Their cars are overpriced. The dealer knows little to nothing about a particular cars history and most times many of the details are incorrect.
This same car could have been purchased from a private owner as ultimately that is where it came from. Not sure many dealers take on full blown restorations as that is where money is lost. Most are looking for cars that need some minor repairs and a very good detailing.
Classic car dealers all suck IMO. Their cars are overpriced. The dealer knows little to nothing about a particular cars history and most times many of the details are incorrect.
This same car could have been purchased from a private owner as ultimately that is where it came from. Not sure many dealers take on full blown restorations as that is where money is lost. Most are looking for cars that need some minor repairs and a very good detailing.
The main focus of his place started as a car and antique museum for people to come walk and visit. It’s an old place that’s been around for a long, long time and it does focus on kids and family. It’s nice because it’s year round - inside or outside.
He has a pretty good car collection of his own and I’ve seen some of them up close, his are nice. As for the sales end I’d bet some are consignment and some he buys to flip, probably keeps the honest ones. Some that I’ve seen are turds and some are nice for a finished car if you want to get in and drive.
As far as claiming it’s an SS, aren’t 75% of the cars emblemed with and advertised as an SS even though they are not?
I give him a lot of credit for running the his place this long. As for the cars for sale, we just go to look, it’s much more fun building them..
He has a pretty good car collection of his own and I’ve seen some of them up close, his are nice. As for the sales end I’d bet some are consignment and some he buys to flip, probably keeps the honest ones. Some that I’ve seen are turds and some are nice for a finished car if you want to get in and drive.
As far as claiming it’s an SS, aren’t 75% of the cars emblemed with and advertised as an SS even though they are not?
I give him a lot of credit for running the his place this long. As for the cars for sale, we just go to look, it’s much more fun building them..
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I'm sure someone will pay for it, and then in a few years try to resell it as an all original LS6 Convertable, which some sucker will probably buy.
This is why I don't like the "all original" world. Too many scams.
It looks like a very nice car. But that price tag seems awfully high. It seems like the company bought a cheap Malibu, went through the Ground Up and Year One catalogues buying everything they could to reproduce an SS LS6 car and then slapped a price tag on it that would net them a profit.
This is why I don't like the "all original" world. Too many scams.
It looks like a very nice car. But that price tag seems awfully high. It seems like the company bought a cheap Malibu, went through the Ground Up and Year One catalogues buying everything they could to reproduce an SS LS6 car and then slapped a price tag on it that would net them a profit.
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As far as claiming it’s an SS, aren’t 75% of the cars emblemed with and advertised as an SS even though they are not?
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I went to a local car show a few years ago. Maybe 200 or so cars there. There were five 1970 SS Chevelles at this show. So at one point I walked around checking them out. Four of the five 70 SS cars were fakes.
As far as claiming it’s an SS, aren’t 75% of the cars emblemed with and advertised as an SS even though they are not?
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I went to a local car show a few years ago. Maybe 200 or so cars there. There were five 1970 SS Chevelles at this show. So at one point I walked around checking them out. Four of the five 70 SS cars were fakes.
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I went to a local car show a few years ago. Maybe 200 or so cars there. There were five 1970 SS Chevelles at this show. So at one point I walked around checking them out. Four of the five 70 SS cars were fakes.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with a clone as long as you advertise it as such.
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IMO the asking price is in line for a dealer selling this car. He all but states it's a clone, but it's a gorgeous example of a clone. Beautiful Chevelle, however I am definitely NOT a fan of ragtops...
yea I'm not bashing clones so don't get the wrong impression from my post, I don't think he is trying to pawn it off as a true LS-6 either. It sounds like he is trying to carefully choose his words since he knows he does not have anything to back up any true LS-6 claims but still put it out there as a nice representation of one. Someone with some dumb money will make a fair offer and snatch it up, knowing the wrong details or not, maybe correct them or maybe will just live with it and be happy with what they have, at least its a clean old ragtop.
Hey, not everyone has the keen eye for the correct details. Keen eyes for Bling maybe but not for correct details that bling..
Hey, not everyone has the keen eye for the correct details. Keen eyes for Bling maybe but not for correct details that bling..
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You may be right that the price falls in line for what it is from a dealer, it just seems high to me. A 1970 Malibu convertible with a 512 block 454 and SS badges. Looks great, but that's basically what you are paying for. Is that worth $100k? I was thinking more like $60-70k tops.
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Our 70 Malibu conv has MANY features that are on an SS, but it is NOT an SS and I do not promote it as an SS
Also, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW that LS6 cars were NOT available with air cond. BUT, I am totally in favor of adding aftermarket AC to something like an LS6 car. The difference in driving these cars in the summer with AC is night and day difference. Fortunately, when I located our 70 conv, it did have factory AC (it was a weird customer ordered car-----------and yes I have the build sheet for proof). It sorta kinda worked, and I tried to get it working correctly. After removing the system from the car, and sending the whole system to Classic Auto Air in Tampa, it now blows super cold on R12.
Last, in a heartbeat, I'd park that red 70 next to our blue 70 and never give it a second thought--------------------------BUT, I would not pay $98,000 for it!!!
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Oh ya, and I do have some muffler hangers to put on it.
Also, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW that LS6 cars were NOT available with air cond. BUT, I am totally in favor of adding aftermarket AC to something like an LS6 car. The difference in driving these cars in the summer with AC is night and day difference. Fortunately, when I located our 70 conv, it did have factory AC (it was a weird customer ordered car-----------and yes I have the build sheet for proof). It sorta kinda worked, and I tried to get it working correctly. After removing the system from the car, and sending the whole system to Classic Auto Air in Tampa, it now blows super cold on R12.
Last, in a heartbeat, I'd park that red 70 next to our blue 70 and never give it a second thought--------------------------BUT, I would not pay $98,000 for it!!!
Oh ya, and I do have some muffler hangers to put on it.
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