[Steve340]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chev...164QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220089745332

BEAUTIFUL CAR

Currently at 30K + bid

Odomenter was rest, the infor area states 2526 Miles, and this dealer states the restorer reset the Odo to zero in 94 ( Legal to state the milage as 2526???)

A nice story about how the original Motor is gone

Nice cowl hood, but no Cowl Air Cleaner

Rear Stamped for Highway Gears, but now has 373

A good disclaimer about inspecting the car, etc etc etc

In you guys very knowledgable opinions.......

How would I know, If I were an investor, thats the different color, different engine, Odo rest car is a True SS?

I am not denying its a beautiful car, but at 30K reserve still isnt met so at what point is this going to turn to fraud ? at 25 30 35 it would be a nice car as a clone, but when it get higher, and possibly someone does not get the odo reset story......

This is a perfect example of my main concern about these cars. Im not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand.

BTW

IF there was a way through research, DMV Records, Chevrolet Records, to Verify car that have non matching engines and no build sheet, it would devalue a lot of cars, and make the verified cars much more expensive


What do you think?

 

[chevelless1]

$30,000 + (reserve not met yet) for a 396 without the original motor ?????? wow

 

[dpvoiceguy]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chev...164QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220089745332

BEAUTIFUL CAR

Currently at 30K + bid

Odomenter was rest, the infor area states 2526 Miles, and this dealer states the restorer reset the Odo to zero in 94 ( Legal to state the milage as 2526???)

A nice story about how the original Motor is gone

Nice cowl hood, but no Cowl Air Cleaner

Rear Stamped for Highway Gears, but now has 373

A good disclaimer about inspecting the car, etc etc etc

In you guys very knowledgable opinions.......

How would I know, If I were an investor, thats the different color, different engine, Odo rest car is a True SS?

I am not denying its a beautiful car, but at 30K reserve still isnt met so at what point is this going to turn to fraud ? at 25 30 35 it would be a nice car as a clone, but when it get higher, and possibly someone does not get the odo reset story......

This is a perfect example of my main concern about these cars. Im not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand.

BTW

IF there was a way through research, DMV Records, Chevrolet Records, to Verify car that have non matching engines and no build sheet, it would devalue a lot of cars, and make the verified cars much more expensive


What do you think?

You're right, Steve...a beautiful car but not worth the hassle. Stick with the '68 Nova...now that's a true deal! :thumbsup:

 

[Steve340]

You guys rock

Can I still come here and spout off if I am the owner of a Nova?

Its pretty bad when I have my own board to run and I spend all day here
LOLOLOLOLOL


Steve

 

[vintageracer]

"(Legal to state the mileage as 2526???)"?

That depends since that is what the odometer shows. Most sellers are going to sell a car over 10 years old as "mileage exempt" anyway since virutally all states do not require a mileage statement/certification on a car 10 years of age or older. Ten years is the Federal requirement of mileage statements. This seller did state that the odometer was "reset" during restoration so you can bet the seller will sell the car as "mileage exempt" if he/she is a dealer. That would be to cover the seller's butt! Any individual selling this car should do the same.

Personally, I do not see why anyone would care what the original mileage is on this old car or any old car. Price of the car should match the condition of the car without regard to mileage on the vehicle. The absolute WORST old cars I have ever owned were "low mileage" original cars. EVERYTHING leaked or broke on these cars due to the age and low use. I personally will not pay a dime more for a low mile car versus a high mile car if in the same condition. In fact I would prefer the higher mileage car since the chances are better that the high mile car will have less problems.

"Where does fraud occur?"

That also depends on what the seller states in written form and what the customer signs on the bill of sale. Virtually all the "high end" dealers now require the customer to sign a statement that the "seller does not guarantee the originality and/or authenticity of this vehicle". They require this on EVER car they sell. That includes the best documented example in the world and a known fake! Since most dealers and many individuals selling a car did not restore the car they are selling or own and retain the car in their pocession since it was new, how could they guarantee the "originality and/or authenticity" of the car they are selling anyway? The answer is they cannot!

It all boils down that you can have any reserve you want on a car on Ebay. It is still up to the buyer to due his own "due dilligence" when purchasing a collector car to insure the car they are buying is what they want and expect.

Is $30K to much? It costs the same amount of money to restore/create as clone as it does to restore and original SS. The parts, labor, body work and paint is no different on a Malibu or a SS. A "good" 70 Malibu will still cost $10K in today's world with a "real" SS costing $15K+ for a "good" SS to start a restoration. It would still cost $20+ to restore either car so depending on the condition and restoration quality, this car "may" not be a bad buy!

 

[Steve340]

Very well put answer

 

[bkcraun]

You guys rock

Can I still come here and spout off if I am the owner of a Nova?

Steve

I spout off here and I only have a nova. : )
By the way, I like your site too.

 

[Steve340]

Thanx man!!

 

[32551]

does the original or current title state price that it first sold like factory delivered price or total delivered price or dealer price. that could be a big factor in documentation. if no build sheet is found.:thumbsup:

 

[Steve340]

Thats actually a really good point!
I am going to take to some friends who worked at GM Plants in the 70's
see if I can get some " insider info " LOL

 

[MEJ1990TM]

My dad told me that his with the SS package, LS5 454, M-22, cranberry red with black stripes, cowl induction, black bucket interior, console. All that stuff cost him around $4300+ tax and license. Don't know what a plain malibu would have cost.

 

[704EVER]

I'm over 40K deep on my resto and not nearly done, and my car was in very good shape to begin with. I didn't need 1/4's, floor pans, etc., it's just everything else that adds up like a SOB! Unless you have your own bodyshop/ garage in your backyard there is NO WAY you are doing a 1st class frame off for 20-30K on a car that doesn't really need that much. I can do a lot by myself but when it comes to the nitty gritty and it costs you 55.00 an hour for a shop rate, it adds up. Every other check I write is like 4,5,6K a month, it gets old after a while. I can certainly appreciate why people ask certain amounts for these cars whether they are finished or not. Total frame off resto's are NOT the way to go for the 1st timers in this hobby. I for one can attest to that, I thought I'd be done a couple of years ago.

 

[704EVER]

$30,000 + (reserve not met yet) for a 396 without the original motor ?????? wow

P.S. they're looking for mid to high 40's for this car.

 

[Steve340]

Quote " 1st class frame off for 20-30K on a car that doesn't really need that much. I can do a lot by myself but when it comes to the nitty gritty and it costs you 55.00 an hour for a shop rate, it adds up. Every other check I write is like 4,5,6K a month"

Well I am not in your place, I can understand what your saying, I do not remember one person saying a Verified SS 454 wasnt worth doing a frame off on, AND wasnt worth big bucks when done.
MY Point is, these people take a malibu and throw a 25K frame off, call it an SS and ask 45,000
Regardless of What it cost, does it have the Value as a collectable

If it DOES, I am gonna take new baseball cards, and glue Mickey Mantels face on it and make a fortune selling " Clone " Mickey Mantle Rookie Cards, laugh of course Ill SAY they are real, but have a fancy ass disclaimer saying its up to YOU to know the difference, that makes it right...RIGHT?

And I am a 25 year Aircraft Mechanic, if I need something done, I learn how to do it, I have never paid 55 dollars an hour to anyone in my life to work on one of my cars.

to be clear
I am NOT hacking clones, IF you call it that
Call it a clone, I have no problem
Call a clone a real SS to sell it for more money, I got a BIG problem with that

Just me, not you, not him, not her, ME,

Nuff on this horse...it wont get up !

 

[MEJ1990TM]

Why do people even bother making a clone? I can understand the SS type dash and cowl hood, maybe even the strip on the bumper. But why put all the extra effort into all the SS type stuff. What is wrong with putting the suspension, big block, and a 4 speed in a car and calling it good?

 

[Steve340]

Thats the question being discussed in about 10 threads LOL

SS is COOL

simple as that

 

[davischevy]

We can talk about matching numbers and clones and values till the chevelles come home, but there is only one factor in determining the value of anything. "a buyer". It makes no difference what we think its worth the buyer is the deciding factor.

 

[anychevy]

Only a fraction of cars listed on eBay actually reach reserve, most of you probably know this but for those that don't ? you can see for yourselves.
For example, type in 1970 chevrolet chevelle, click on cars and trucks, then search, that brings up 45 or so, then go over to the left, scroll down and tick completed listings - ending within the last 7 days - click "show items" and it'll bring up results, what sold, what didn't and what the bidding stalled at.
The "average" 70 SS gets up between 25 and 35k and then it's all over.
Dave

 

[32551]

TO CLONE OR NOT TO CLONE. If its not real then they shouldn't make that statement. that is wrong. if its only part real then its only part real. but it is up to me to figure it out. since it is my money. they only deceive to get more money, and that is wrong. but even if it was a clone i would still like to drive it around. and never pay anyone to do something that you can do your self. AND ALWAYS PUT OFF WHAT YOU CAN DO TOMORROW.

 

[69396ss]

I won't get into this too deeply because I've done that in the other threads.

But let's think what's important to alot of people.

Taking these cars to local shows, cruise in's, and enjoying them.

What's important then?

Nice Paint, Nice interior, detailed motor.

Cosmetics.

And yes, to get good cosmetics it takes Money and time = worth.


So for 40K you can get a super nice detailed 70 454 clone, or a numbers matching that needs alot of attention and gets overlooked at shows.

Investment vs. show caliber. Both are valid desires.

And if you make the big scratch, you can have both. Most don't.