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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old Nov 20th, 17, 11:21 AM Thread Starter
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Numbers Matching column shifter build sheet 1970 Transmission

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I bought my 1970 matching numbers column shifter SS after my mechanic at that time told me I should get an automatic as a frequent driver (young guy, I should have known better).
I had a 68 4 speed manual clone that was an absolute blast to drive at the time that I decided to let go and found the ride that is currently in my team Chevelle garage.

I enjoy driving this one, BUT decided that I really want to convert it to a tremec 5 speed since there are existing kits out there to do this and I really miss throwing that shifter.
I have been told a couple times "column shifters aren't worth that much" and then when I was talking with someone else they said "don't change out your tranny, you don't want to alter your "numbers matching vehicle" WELL WHICH IS IT???

My thoughts are, it should be fun to drive, if I pull out the original transmission and put it in the garage, I still have the matching numbers engine powering it, and tranny in the garage and it will be more fun to drive and it is not that much of a loss since it was a column shifter anyway. Right?? Or am I a fool and messing up big time???

Thanks for helping me through this.


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Is the car a keeper? If so, and you are otherwise happy with the car, I'd convert it. The market is too risky to give up a car you like and enjoy just to make random people happy.

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Not a big deal. Put in the manual trans that you want and just keep all the old parts that you take out. It's your ride so have fun with it!
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Sell it numbers matching and buy one you want.

Don't change anything, the new buyer may not want to change anything back.
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I would say change it to a stick and keep all the parts to convert it back. You can always go back if you have to for some reason.
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If the car is a L34, I wouldn't hesitate to change it. If it's an L78, then I wouldn't mess with it.
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If the car is a L34, I wouldn't hesitate to change it. If it's an L78, then I wouldn't mess with it.
Thanks for everyone's input. Very helpful. It is an L34.


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Is the car a keeper? If so, and you are otherwise happy with the car, I'd convert it. The market is too risky to give up a car you like and enjoy just to make random people happy.

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I am beginning to think it is. I bought it with the intention of it being a keeper, but then the automatic started really "bugging me" and I found myself in a little bit of a pickle. This one took way more time to find then I intended. I don't know if you guys remember me flying out to California from Virginia at the last minute to look at a train wreck of a car, but that was me.... LOL.


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If the car is a L34, I wouldn't hesitate to change it. If it's an L78, then I wouldn't mess with it.
I would agree with Derek. The higher the value, the more desirable the car is (L78 vs L34), then the more value lost when modifying it.

Sure, when completely original, matching numbers sounds great, but that column-shifter really reduces the desirability of the car... Most buyers will want a floor shifter, and most buyers willing to invest big bucks in matching numbers and originality, are probably going to prefer a factory floor shift anyway...

IF you do it right (high quality parts, professional-quality installation and keep all the original parts), IMO you probably can offset much of the loss (for not being correct) with the cost of the swap... Since the floor shift and OD manual will probably attract more buyers... Of course, most likely if you chose to sell, you probably will lose money...


Personally, I like to go by the "its your car, do what YOU want...

If you are worried about hurting the value, then sell it, and take up stamp collecting...

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Re: Numbers Matching column shifter build sheet 1970 Transmission

If youre changing from an automatic to a stick there's welding involved to the car that will be messy to change back.

Different carpet, hard to find parts etc...

Not to mention it won't be an L78 when you're done with it. It will be an original car that was butchered to be something it never will be.

Am I a purity kind of guy? Sorta, find yourself a car that you can mess with, and leave the original stuff alone.


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I would have a tough time with answering that question. If it's all original and showroom stock, I would lean to leaving it the way it was born. You'll need to hack and massage and weld in shifter sheet metal to the stock trans hump.

But damn, A Tremec 5 speed would make that car fun and is a true performance improvement. Add in the overdrive and it's a win win for fun, modernization, and economy. (I threw in economy in case you have to persuade a significant other)

Tuff choice. Live your dream. As a practical person the Tremec adds value for me. As a collector, not so much.

This transmission and adding a/c to my car are part of my dream.
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Not a big deal. Put in the manual trans that you want and just keep all the old parts that you take out. It's your ride so have fun with it!
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Put the 5 spd dont think twice about it; theres a butt for every seat, even green automatic pintos
Dont let anyone keep you from enjoying your hobby;imo the # thing is really oveblown
Bet most are happy just to find they didnt get a cobbled up nightmare period
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Not trying to steer you in any direction, but here you go....https://shiftsst.com/articles/cat/ge...ody-1968-1972/
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If you want to keep it clean, you'll need to change out the steering column collar also, otherwise you'll have the column shifter yoke reminding you of it's former importance. Other issues as you may know: could be conflicts with headers, power steering, driveshaft tranny yoke, etc.

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The floor will have to be cut for the Tremec to fit with the proper drive line angle. Loved the one I put in my Nova, almost put one in wagon but went with a 4L80E instead.

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