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post #76 of 987 (permalink) Old Nov 12th, 14, 10:20 AM
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Re: 72 Concours wagon project

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I was wondering if the tailgate on your wagon might not be original to the car. Looks to me like the lower trim is too low for a Concours model, but in the correct position for a Concours Estate. If so then the upper trim on the Concours Estate would have been relocated to where it now is on your car. Check to see how that upper trim is mounted. Or is that lower trim completely missing? Hard to tell from the available photos.

Edit: Nevermind, I can see the weld studs in the photo now and they are in the proper location for the Concours trim.

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Re: 72 Concours wagon project

Phillip...any idea what the "46" and "36" instead of X's are in the Greenbrier column...???


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George what kind of set up time does it have? I heard you it needs to be positioned quickly.
Sorry I dident get back sooner Philip,If I remember correctly the setup time was about a half hour.We measured and marked placement of course then applied the adhesive and new panels with vicegrip clamps. Let it sit over night and all was good to go. The excess material can be cut with a razor knife after it gets a little hard then ground with a wizz wheel if needed. Aint technology great.
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Re: 72 Concours wagon project

Mike,

Not Philip, but "36" and "46 refer to the seating style. "36" is 2 seat, "46" is 3 seat. So it looks like a Nomad, which was 2 row only, and a 2 row Greenbrier got the painted rear step areas, and a 3 row Greenbrier got the same rubber pad covered step areas like the upper trim level Concours' got, regardless of seating.

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Phillip...any idea what the "46" and "36" instead of X's are in the Greenbrier column...???


(For some reason I can't open the link you posted)
What Tom said, seating style which is the last 2 numbers in the body code. The link works for me. Try and copy/paste this into your browser.
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Sorry I dident get back sooner Philip,If I remember correctly the setup time was about a half hour.We measured and marked placement of course then applied the adhesive and new panels with vicegrip clamps. Let it sit over night and all was good to go. The excess material can be cut with a razor knife after it gets a little hard then ground with a wizz wheel if needed. Aint technology great.
Thanks I'll give that a try, sounds easier than welding.

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Re: 72 Concours wagon project

Thanks Tom...


Weird...I have a "36" (two seat) Greenbrier, with a rubber pad...


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(Please excuse me Phillip...not trying to hi-jack...just trying to learn)
No problem, info and shared ideas are what this site (and thread) are all about.

Finished blasting the Camino frame today. Before applying 2 coats of POR 15 the cross member for the transmission will need to be figured out so any drilling, welding, modifying of the frame can be done first. If I can build my own it saves spending $300 on a G Force. So time to pull the engine and trans from the wagon and set it in the new frame.

Here is a photo of it almost done, by the time the mess was vacuumed up it was too dark for a photo.


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Got off to a good start yesterday but by noon Murphy showed up and that put an end to the work. he decided to almost destroy the garage door when something got in the way of it coming down and bent the top panel, knocked the whole door off the track and bent the track. The cables that run up the side where also off the wheels. After 2 hours it was finally operational but not right, needs a new top panel. Might get one with some windows in it this time.

Anyway I managed to get the frame inside and on stands. started working on the cross member for the transmission. I had 3 cross members, 2 for 68 - 72 El Camino/convertible and one for a 67 Chevelle. Cut the tabs off of one of each. The 67 cross member itself was junk but the mounting tab was good. The plan is to weld the tab on the back side of the cross member to be able to mount it in one set of existing frame holes and have the mount far enough back to work with the 4L80E. This puts the tube between the mount and the pan but there is only about 4" to play with.
Measuring it seems like it will work, need to get the engine and trans out of the wagon and onto the frame for fitting.



Stock cross member



Without mounting tab





The tabs I have to work with, but may need to build one. The 67 on the left, 72 on the right


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If you could use 3 inch channel for the tab, I have plenty on hand. The price is right.
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I'll let you know if I need any. Thanks again for selling it to me, I am having a blast working on it, just took a few years to get started.

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Engine and trans were removed from the wagon today. Also removed were the engine frame stands, not a fun job with the suspension in place but it is possible. The El Camino frame was painted with 2 coats of POR15 where the frame stands will be installed. The stands were blasted and tomorrow will be primed and painted. With the engine and trans in place a lot of work can be done. The cross member will be made, plus the pressure and return lines for the fuel. While the engine was in the car it was almost impossible to see the connections to the fuel rails. There will be AN fittings under the car for the fuel lines to make it easier to pull the engine if needed in the future.

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Some photos of today's progress.





It is a little tight at the end of the day, when working the Nova is outside.


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Productive day, lots done today. To start the placement of the jack stands was not good. When the engine was lowered onto the frame it started to pick up the back. Had to relocate the front one farther forward.

First item was transmission cross member. The stock tube was used and the plate welded to the back side. Scary how easy this was to do.








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At their worst, GM stuff is sooo much easier to finagle than Ford or Mopar.

When I first heard of doing something like this backward hung mount with a 700R4, I thought "some techie in Powertrain Engineering had to be thinking about doing this" for it to be sooo correct for future swappers.

I know that they really didn't, but sometimes I do wonder.

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Next all the tight areas between the frame and engine were taken care of. The starter shield had to be trimmed. The shield also protects the right bank knock sensor.
The left side knock sensor was an issue. In the stock location it was against the cross member. Using a 45 fitting I was able to angle it towards the rear and gain some clearance from the header. The stock shield was reconfigured to clear the header too.

in this photo the work on the cross member to gain header clearance can be seen (headers were free but for a 1st gen F Body, they fit now )







The passenger side upper control arm was a little tight when the engine was in the wagon frame. With the arm out from the mount about 5/8" the "point" of the control arm was a little close to the header. After minimal work with the grinder the point was rounded off gaining some clearance. It may not be needed but easier to do now.





Does anyone know what size these fuel rail fittings are? They are an O ring type and not the same size. Need adapters to go to AN fitting.


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