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High Torque Mini Starter

Trying to find the right starter. So much information out there I like to get it from people with my car and experience.

I have a 68 Malibu. Recently had the engine rebuilt. It is a 327 block but they put a 350 crank in it. Has a cam. Not sure what as I type this. Looking to install a high torque mini starter and then the engine builder wants to advance my timing a little. I am just looking for guidance and trying to get some opinions on what is out there and what people have experience with.

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On the 327 that’s in my impala, I installed summit racing high torque mini starter. It bolted right up with no shims, It spins the 11:1 engine with ease and it’s been working fine for couple of years now.
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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

Here is a link to an eBay starter that I have been using on my almost 11.0:1 compression big block;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-305-3...UAAOSwMl9aggDd
It is for a 168 tooth flywheel and fits big and small blocks.
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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

I got a Powermaster starter for my chevelle. After dealing with their customer service I would not go with anyone else. I had a few issues with getting my car to start properly and they spent hours working with me tracking down wiring issues, sending me new starters and just great customer service. It took a couple of weeks, but we got all of my issues worked out and I could not be happier. It starts my car on the first crank almost every time.

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Here is a link to an eBay starter that I have been using on my almost 11.0:1 compression big block;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-305-3...UAAOSwMl9aggDd
It is for a 168 tooth flywheel and fits big and small blocks.
Guy


Thatís crazy Guy. You have had good luck with longevity? Hard to believe they could so inexpensive.


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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

I am confused about what will work with my engine. It is not original. It is a 327 from Ď69 I had rebuilt. They put a 350 crank in it. So will almost any small block starter work? Sometimes on Summit when I put in all my info it says something wonít fit.


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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

There are different flywheels.
The 168 and 153 tooth are the most common ones.
I don't believe they are interchangeable.
You need to determine which one you have.
And yes I have had very good luck with longevity,knock on wood,
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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

PMGR starters may as well be magic. They have a 7:1 inline gear reduction that allows them to spin up very easily.

The major outward differences are that the one needed for a 153 tooth flywheel takes one long bolt and one short bolt that are oriented 90 degrees to the length of the starter. A 168 tooth flywheel uses a starter that has two bolts that are the same length, and are offset at pretty near 45 degrees from the length of the crankshaft. The website I had bookmarked listed the differences, and which one to use with an HEI and which one to use with a points distributor, but it went away in the last few weeks. One more thing, get the correct bolts to mate the PMGR starter with the block you are using. PMGR starters have metric size holes in them, and garden variety starter bolts are american sized bolts with american threads and knurled locating areas that match the block, and will not keep the starter aligned correctly if they are mismatched. Less then ten bucks will make a hell of a difference, especially since you are gonna need new bolts anyway.

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There are different flywheels.
The 168 and 153 tooth are the most common ones.
I don't believe they are interchangeable.
You need to determine which one you have.
And yes I have had very good luck with longevity,knock on wood,
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So how do I figure out which one I have?


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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

if you have a 168 tooth flexplate, this starter works perfect. I have 2 of them in service. Comes with the proper bolts, which as previously stated is required.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-BBC-CHE...item3fc097be84
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Re: High Torque Mini Starter

Here's a recent post about a guy who's mini-starter caused him a lot of problems.

https://www.chevelles.com/forums/18-...some-help.html

He had the type of mini starter that comes with that big aluminum block hung onto the front of a foreign car starter.IMO those are the kind of starters to avoid.Around Post # 38 he tells of the outcome of the new PMGR starter he bought to solve his problems.
How about a new PMGR starter from your local Walmart ?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/NEW-MINI-...1445/198530977
That isn't the starter he bought but it's one just like it.Its made by a company called "Rare Electric" but sold through Walmart automotive.Part number Mt 10461445 new bolts included.

P/S--If your starter mounts with bolts straight across from each other it's a 153 tooth flywheel if the bolts are at an angle from each other then it's a 162 tooth flywheel.
No matter what starter you choose make sure to buy the correct knurled starter bolts.

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Re-read dyno jonns post. Look at the starter that you have on there, and note the bolt pattern.
and i bought this cheapy off ebay and works well.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-BBC-CHE...item3fc097be84

And dont forget the proper bolts if you go with one that doesnt come with them.
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Re-read dyno jonns post. Look at the starter that you have on there, and note the bolt pattern.
and i bought this cheapy off ebay and works well.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-BBC-CHE...item3fc097be84

And dont forget the proper bolts if you go with one that doesnt come with them.
Nice !!! Dan,how's that starter working ? I'm getting ready to pick-up a PMGR starter for the Big block buildup thats taking forever.but the good thing is with the starter I can at least use it with the 406 SBC till the 468 BB is done.

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i bought this cheapy off ebay and works well.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-BBC-CHE...item3fc097be84

And dont forget the proper bolts if you go with one that doesnt come with them.

On a 10.2 compression BBC and lower compression BBC's and SBC's I've had great luck with starters identical to the one in the link.


HOWEVER...The bolt shanks were slightly smaller than the starter mount holes and the 10.2 compression BBC actually bent the bolts just below the threads ... enough to offset the starter to the point it wore out the bendix gear teeth.


SOLUTION...Found some stainless steel grade 8 knurled starter bolts with the proper shank size thru Jegs or Summit - forget which.
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I got a Powermaster starter for my chevelle. After dealing with their customer service I would not go with anyone else. I had a few issues with getting my car to start properly and they spent hours working with me tracking down wiring issues, sending me new starters and just great customer service. It took a couple of weeks, but we got all of my issues worked out and I could not be happier. It starts my car on the first crank almost every time.
I've been very happy with the Powermaster mini starter I put on the 427 in the wagon.
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