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post #61 of 86 (permalink) Old Jun 17th, 19, 10:44 AM
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Re: McLeod Muscle 5 speed install.

Havent read the thread does anyone have

A link for this trans?

Gear ratios inside? Options?

Are you usnig mech or hyd throwout?

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Havent read the thread does anyone have

A link for this trans?

Gear ratios inside? Options?

Are you usnig mech or hyd throwout?
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Havent read the thread does anyone have

A link for this trans?

Gear ratios inside? Options?

Are you usnig mech or hyd throwout?
It’s available through Summit, Jegs, eBay, and even Amazon.

1st-2.95, 2nd-1.99, 3rd-1.34, 4th-1.00, 5th-.63.

Available in 2 configurations. GM and Ford. No options when you order it but McLeod will make an offset shifter stem for your application, but you have to provide dimensions. You have to call them direct to order.

Stock mechanical throw out bearing and clutch fork setup.

Fit my car perfect since it’s a center console car.

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So I made 12:00 zero and ran the entire rotation twice. The pics below show them at 12, 9, 6, and 3 o’clock.

12 is zero
3 is -.012
6 is -.023
9 is -.013

All the measurements other than zero show negative. I just want to make sure I’m doing this right and not spending time trying to make a bell housing work that’s use no good. Thanks
When a bellhousing is properly dialed in with the parallel alignment, you will achieve reciprocity with your concentric dial indicator reading. When the bellhousing retainer hole is flat and parallel to the crankshaft hub, the 12:00 to 6:00 dimension will equal the 9:00 to 3:00 dimension, hence reciprocity. Since you do not have reciprocity in your concentric reading, you are reading an oval. With your 9:00 to 3:00 dimension greater than your !2:00 to 6:00 dimension, you have an oval hole; your bellhousing top or bottom must be shimmed out to correct your parallel mis-alignment.

So you guys can easily visualize what reciprocity of a circle is; take any round circle and tilt it on a 45* degree angle and while looking through the hole, that round circle will now be an oval hole. With 1000s of bellhousing alignments through the years, I can tell by the concentric reading if a bellhousing is out of parallel alignment by the reciprocity of the hole reading.

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Re: McLeod Muscle 5 speed install.

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Thanks for that explanation that makes perfect sense. He said the parallel was only .003. The limit is .002. Strange that .001 excess could cause that much effect. Guess that is why the tolerance is so low.
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Re: McLeod Muscle 5 speed install.

If you buy offset dowels get the ones from Robb Mc. very easy to install and position.

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Thanks for that explanation that makes perfect sense. He said the parallel was only .003. The limit is .002. Strange that .001 excess could cause that much effect. Guess that is why the tolerance is so low.
The industry standard "parallel alignment +/-.001" or .002" TIR" spec tolerance is low as most input shafts stick out 6"-7" from the maincase and this magnifies the mis-alignment total.

If I do the parallel bellhousing mis-alignment task, there is a big difference when a bellhousing has .003" TIR vs .0005" TIR and shifting at the 7500-8000rpm mark. If you only shift at 4500rpm, it is just that much smoother being only 1/2 thousands off!

Another bellhousing alignment tip I'll share; dependent on the application and bellhousing mis-alignment, I may use a .007" offset dowel with a .014" offset dowel combo or maybe a .007" and .021" combination offset dowels. Do not always think you must use the same size offset dowel pins to correct the bellhousing concentric mis-alignment.
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Yeah ,I need to work a little more getting parallelism correct before I go forward with concentric. I’ve already ordered them from Grainger to do this weekend. Round two.
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Blm,

So I made 12:00 zero and ran the entire rotation twice. The pics below show them at 12, 9, 6, and 3 o’clock.

12 is zero
3 is -.012
6 is -.023
9 is -.013

All the measurements other than zero show negative. I just want to make sure I’m doing this right and not spending time trying to make a bell housing work that’s use no good. Thanks
When a bellhousing is properly dialed in with the parallel alignment, you will achieve reciprocity with your concentric dial indicator reading. When the bellhousing retainer hole is flat and parallel to the crankshaft hub, the 12:00 to 6:00 dimension will equal the 9:00 to 3:00 dimension, hence reciprocity. Since you do not have reciprocity in your concentric reading, you are reading an oval. With your 9:00 to 3:00 dimension greater than your !2:00 to 6:00 dimension, you have an oval hole; your bellhousing top or bottom must be shimmed out to correct your parallel mis-alignment.

So you guys can easily visualize what reciprocity of a circle is; take any round circle and tilt it on a 45* degree angle and while looking through the hole, that round circle will now be an oval hole. With 1000s of bellhousing alignments through the years, I can tell by the concentric reading if a bellhousing is out of parallel alignment by the reciprocity of the hole reading.
That makes a lot of sense now. If it’s not parallel, the bearing retainer hole will kind of drift in and out on the dial indicator relative to the crankshaft/flywheel. Effectively turning a round hole into an ellipse. Thanks Jody, I gonna do it over again.
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Re: McLeod Muscle 5 speed install.

Its based on the Motorsport t5 gearset, same center to center distance. It a recased T5 world class transmission. The added strength is from an extended cluster shaft to add a center support bearing.

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Here are the pics of the Muncie and The McLeod side by side for comparison. The input shaft on the McLeod is about a 16th shorter than the Muncie. Will I need to use a longer pilot gearing for that difference?

The shifters line up nearly perfect. The trans mounts are off quite a bit, by around 2”. But the plate on the McLeod has 1 1/4” slots to bolt the mount to. You can barely see the Muncie trans mount it the pic of the trannys from the driver side is of them. Thanks

I am scratching my head about the shifter itself on the McLeod not have splines line the typical Hurst shifters. Will I have to get a new handle for it? Thanks.
Good Information, thanks.

NOW, not to hi jack this thread but I have been looking at this same setup for a 65 A body. As you all know the earlier A bodies offset the shifter to the driver side with a hump added to the floor/tunnel. I have contacted McLeod but they only make an offset shifter set up from customer specs for about $300. The reason I was looking at this setup is to avoid modifications to the floor / tunnel like a TKO requires. In order to do this one would have to purchase the trans, install it in the car with crossmember mods etc, and then measure to the new location and supply them with the new numbers. They state that they can only move it so far right or left or forward and back. NOW for the big question. Have any of you ever done this and did it work without modifications to the floor? If so do you have the numbers that were required to get the stick to come up in the correct location? thanks in advance for any information.
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Re: McLeod Muscle 5 speed install.

I'm going to assume the T5/Mcleod 5 speed are very similar to the center position of the T56, which I'm familiar with. I needed my shifter over at the left side location and moved forward also to clear my bench seat (no console). Height was a concern so I was forced to saw the oem T56 shifter low and bored a flat iron plate with a 3/4" hole to fit snugly over what was left of the shifter stub, which only extended up maybe 3/4" above the seal plate. Now I welded a shifter arm adapter to that plate where I wanted it, maybe 2.5" to the left and 2" forward. All's well with this but getting a good plug weld on that stub isn't exactly easy. Failed the first attempt and the shifter broke off in my hand with spirited shifting. I came up with a fix....drill/tap a 3/8" hole down the stub and run a grade 8 bolt down there. Now I just welded the adapter plate to that bolt and installed. After I was happy with the position, I drilled a 1/8" hole down along side that bolt and sunk a roll pin. This way that bolt can't back out. If I ever have to remove it, I'll have to drill that roll pin out and just twist the shifter back out.
This was all necessary because I couldn't find an offset shifter shallow enough to fit and look like oem from the topside. Besides, the cheapest shifter I could find was $300.
Keep in mind, the more you offset, the more the shifter will "rock" and that can interfere with your boot or the bottom of the console. That's probably why McLeod limits the offset.
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Re: McLeod Muscle 5 speed install.

Thanks, the numbers McLeod gave me are:

The offsets range from 0” offset to up to 3” left or right in 1” increments. And 0” to 3.1” forward or backwards in ˝” increments.

So if that put your shifter in the correct spot it looks like it is achievable from McLeod.
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As long as we are talking Mcleod, I cant help but telling my tale. Last winter I installed a brand new transmission. It is a Legend. I used a Mcleod flywheel,clutch and pressure plate. Both the flywheel and the pressure plate were defective. The flywheel could not be installed and the pressure plate broke first time I depressed the clutch.
I had to send both items back to Mcleod for repair of the flywheel and replacement of the pressure plate. Both times I experienced extended delays in getting those issues resolved and spent hours on the phone. It took 5 weeks to get the flywheel issue resolved (poor machining) and in the mean time this held up a major project I was doing. At one point I got in touch with the person that handles these issues at Mcleod (after several unanswered voice mails) and she reported to me that it has been in her possession for a week but she hasn't even opened the package. No apology just excuses. I received no apology for the delay however after I sent an email to someone high enough up the chain they tripped over themselves saying how poorly they handled things.
Move on to second issue with the pressure plate exchange. With the help of Jody I was able to send the defective pressure plate back to Mcleod. This time it only took a month to exchange but they did nothing till I tracked down who I assume was the same woman who handled the first issue. Even at that after agreeing go exchange it under warranty she tried to charge me $300.00 for the new pressure plate.
So if one is considering buying a transmission from Mcleod and you have any issues I am assuming the way my 2 issues were handled is standard procedure. Also there is the quality control thing. If two out of three items are defective that speaks poorly for their quality control. I know I probably will not choose Mcleod next time. Just my 2 cents.
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Wow, what a difference parallel makes. I’m within 2 thou on parallel.

Concentric turned out like this

6= .000

3= .006

12= .011

9= .005

I see what Jody was talking about with reciprocity now. North south = .011 and east west = .011. So half of .011 is .0055. Would I order .007 offset now? Thanks.
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