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post #16 of 36 (permalink) Old Feb 6th, 18, 12:32 PM
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Re: Bowtie overdrives 200-4r

I think I'm in the minority - but my $0.02 is go with a non-lockup setup & torque converter with an appropriate stall speed.

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Did the extreme trans come with the speedo gears and housing? also what did you use for lock up wiring?
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Did the extreme trans come with the speedo gears and housing? also what did you use for lock up wiring?
Hi, sampoerna!

Yes, the trans. came with speedometer gears, although mine is the wrong gear and is off by 18mph.

And I have the stock wiring for the lockup since the 200R-4 was stock to the original car (305c.i. motor).

When I sent the tranny back for repairs and under warranty, I had to send the carb, and carb. bracket to Lonnie for geometry verification and how the bracket affected the line pressure--my universal bracket was NOT correct and needed modification to allow for proper line pressure.

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I think I'm in the minority - but my $0.02 is go with a non-lockup setup & torque converter with an appropriate stall speed.
luciferhammer, you may be giving him the right advice on the non-lockup feature.

I chose a lockup since it was a daily driver and that is what the builder recommended in my particular application, and it works well for me.

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I think I'm in the minority - but my $0.02 is go with a non-lockup setup & torque converter with an appropriate stall speed.
Even on a car for daily driving street use? I've read that bit over at art car about using non lockup converters, is it really just 200-300 rpm gain vs using a lock up? Does the trans have to be made to use a non lockup?

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Re: Bowtie overdrives 200-4r

Yes, they modify the trans so that it is a non lockup, and then you use a non lockup converter.

As long as your cruising speed in 4th gear is at or above your stall speed, you may not even notice any difference between locked and unlocked operation (and if so, the 200-300 rpm gain is definitely true as that would be it at most.)

I'm using a non lockup in mine and it works just fine.

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Even on a car for daily driving street use? I've read that bit over at art car about using non lockup converters, is it really just 200-300 rpm gain vs using a lock up? Does the trans have to be made to use a non lockup?
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My first 200-4R was from Jake's. It was awesome and affordable. My second came from Art Carr because I lived right near his shop. Both are great products and both were non lock up behind a healthy 383. The speedo gears for 4.11 and 3.73 are super hard to find but are available if you dig. For an affordable OD transmission it is hard to beat and bolts right in those vehicles with a TH350 or PG. As mention previously, the TV cable set up is critical. BTO sells a slick setup that makes it easy to get right.
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My first 200-4R was from Jake's. It was awesome and affordable. My second came from Art Carr because I lived right near his shop. Both are great products and both were non lock up behind a healthy 383. The speedo gears for 4.11 and 3.73 are super hard to find but are available if you dig. For an affordable OD transmission it is hard to beat and bolts right in those vehicles with a TH350 or PG. As mention previously, the TV cable set up is critical. BTO sells a slick setup that makes it easy to get right.
Kevin, yes, the TV cable is very important to the life of the transmission for sure.

As mentioned above, I had issues with my TV cable bracket, which my tranny builder set up to give the right line pressures, etc..

I looked at Jakes transmissions, too, but ultimately went with Extreme Automatic.

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I solved my speedo gear issue by installing a Dakota Digital dash. Let's you calibrate the speedo so that the gears in the transmission or rear end don't matter.

Can't find the trans gears to match your rear gears? No problem - just recalibrate the speedo. Swapping rear gears? No problem - just recalibrate the speedo. Swapping the trans and it has a different gear set? No problem - just recalibrate the speedo. Changing to a radically different tire diameter? No problem - just recalibrate the speedo.

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My first 200-4R was from Jake's. It was awesome and affordable. My second came from Art Carr because I lived right near his shop. Both are great products and both were non lock up behind a healthy 383. The speedo gears for 4.11 and 3.73 are super hard to find but are available if you dig. For an affordable OD transmission it is hard to beat and bolts right in those vehicles with a TH350 or PG. As mention previously, the TV cable set up is critical. BTO sells a slick setup that makes it easy to get right.

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Stay away from Mail Order Transmissions. Ask around at car shows, swap meets, etc., and you'll get a line on a local (to you) Transmission Builder who you can deal with.

Buying a Transmission through the web is like getting a Mail Order Bride from the Philippines -- sometimes you'll get a Transmission, sometimes you'll get a trannie.

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Stay away from Mail Order Transmissions. Ask around at car shows, swap meets, etc., and you'll get a line on a local (to you) Transmission Builder who you can deal with.

Buying a Transmission through the web is like getting a Mail Order Bride from the Philippines -- sometimes you'll get a Transmission, sometimes you'll get a trannie.

Forgive me... totally inappropriate.
Yeah, that is really what I want to do but the schedule I work offshore, I miss every car show, drag race, etc for probably the next 8 years, Iv'e had no luck with the transmission shops, junk yards in the area, plus craigslist produced some flops, ebay wants too much. I'm kinda torn at this point thinking maybe I should just buy the cheapest mail order 200, roll the dice on a tci, or just do the 700 cause it seems like less headache .

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The 700r4 is just as much of a headache if not more because it's a more difficult swap from a TH350. There were just many, many more of them and in stock form they are stronger than a stock 2004r and many more people are capable of slapping a 700r4 together and having it hold together. Both have the same TV cable requirement, and both can be setup for lockup or non lockup.

I preferred the gear selections in the 2004r, the fact that it is lighter and that I was coming from a TH350 so the install was a piece of cake.

In your case, you don't need a super beefy one. If you can't find a good local builder, one of the lower priced Bowtie Overdrives units or the CPT transmissions units seems like it would fit your use case. I've heard excellent customer service stories about both of them, but haven't personally used either.

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Yeah, that is really what I want to do but the schedule I work offshore, I miss every car show, drag race, etc for probably the next 8 years, Iv'e had no luck with the transmission shops, junk yards in the area, plus craigslist produced some flops, ebay wants too much. I'm kinda torn at this point thinking maybe I should just buy the cheapest mail order 200, roll the dice on a tci, or just do the 700 cause it seems like less headache .
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If you have the time, build one yourself. I bought a core, a manual, and did it myself by taking lots of pics and making lots of sketches on disassembly. I put the HD and hi-po parts in it, solicited advice when needed, and had to make a few special tools. It took some tweaking to get it the way I wanted and was a pain in the rear but gave me a lot of satisfaction knowing I did it myself.

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If you have the time, build one yourself. I bought a core, a manual, and did it myself by taking lots of pics and making lots of sketches on disassembly. I put the HD and hi-po parts in it, solicited advice when needed, and had to make a few special tools. It took some tweaking to get it the way I wanted and was a pain in the rear but gave me a lot of satisfaction knowing I did it myself.
Plenty of guys around to help out with advice.

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C-K Performance sells a rebuild manual for those that want to do it themselves.
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