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post #1 of 90 (permalink) Old May 29th, 13, 8:54 PM Thread Starter
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Low dollar, BIG cooling

Just thought I’d share some of my experiences and pics all in one place with part numbers and a little how to……. I’d also like to thank everyone here that helped me along the way.

Before: 3 hole top plate, 21 inch wide copper core radiator.. with electric fans taken from an LT1 Camaro. Temps exceeded 220 often.

After: 4 hole top plate, 29 inch wide Aluminum radiator and the things below…. I couldn’t get it to 190 no matter how hard I flogged it, 102 outside temp.

Parts list:
• 4 Hole chrome top plate Ebay = 20.00
• 19 inch XT1 -7 blade fan - U pull it = 10.00
• Hayden 2747 HD clutch = 49.99
• Murray 433322 -29 in wide, 18 inch tall Aluminum radiator (specs on their website are jacked up, trust me it drops right in) I paid = 140.00, Listed at 159.00 right now.
• Shroud 1971 BB (one piece) from Summit OPG-00T218R = 59.95
• Upper hose Gates 21204 15.00
• Lower hose 21324 lower 12.00

Total 307.00, rounding up.

I gained a brand new free flowing aluminum radiator with 8 extra inches in overall width and a car that I can’t get to run over 190 with it being 102 outside.

There are actually 4 perch spots on the core support for different configurations. 29 inches being the widest.....





Then I welded the 3 holes shut on the top of the support and welded in 4 new mounting points for the MUCH wider 4 hole top plate.








Then I cut over 5 inchs out of the driver side of the core support...






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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

CONTINUED:

The rest dropped right in






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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

Hey nice work Darren! Thanks for the pics & info, I'm gonna be going through the same process later this year going from a small to big block. Trying to decide if I want the front runner system and then finding a reverse 7 blade clutch fan. Putting a lot of thought into all that SWHEATON has been posting in the cooling issue threads.

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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

Thanks Skip, if you are going from a 3 to 4 hole top plate please take note that it’s NOT centered on the core support. . It’s actually off to the driver side about 2 inches. I would suggest re-positioning the lower rubber perches, setting the new radiator in place and positioning the top plate on the new radiator to make the marks for your 4 new holes.

EDIT: and Scott is really passionate about cooling and from what I can tell a cool guy….. the stuff works!

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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

GREAT NEWS!

I told you the clutch fan setup with hd fan clutch ,160 stat,proper shroud & proper type clutch fan would do the trick.

I bet you would have got almost as good a result with the old rad but new rad is definitely good too esp since you don't have much invested for great cooling like I tell everyone that setup gives you.

The lrg 7 blade clutch fan,new hd thermal fan clutch,proper shroud and new rad are what collectively reduced your temps from 220ish to max of 190 which is great .

You didn't list the stat your running,i bet its a 180 stat since it maxes out at 190 deg ,180 stat try autozones 15356/160 hi flow stat because I bet it will reduce your current 190 max temp to 180 ish which is what happens every time I have done gone from the 180 hi flow autozone stat to the 160 stat with the cooling system setup I rec you run when in hot summer temps.

BTW,Now what do you think of elec fans?

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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

Well Scott you were right.. and your question above is kind of loaded. (Maybe, and probably not intentionally)

I think there are probably some 1000.00+ setup’s with electronic fans that will cool a car like mine effectively. BUT… taking into consideration, aesthetics, functionality, and PRICE….. For 1/3 of that or less I got where I needed to be, and I’m happy with that.

Edit, I’m running a 160 stat without the 2 extra holes…..

Edit again: It should also be noted that when I say flogged I mean multiple sets of tires in one day. Not your average …. Oh, I did a burn out… Something’s I expect to last.. Others I don’t.

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Well Scott you were right.. and your question above is kind of loaded. (Maybe, and probably not intentionally)

I think there are probably some 1000.00+ setup’s with electronic fans that will cool a car like mine effectively. BUT… taking into consideration, aesthetics, functionality, and PRICE….. For 1/3 of that or less I got where I needed to be, and I’m happy with that.

Edit, I’m running a 160 stat without the 2 extra holes…..

Edit again: It should also be noted that when I say flogged I mean multiple sets of tires in one day. Not your average …. Oh, I did a burn out… Something’s I expect to last.. Others I don’t.
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LOL!!!

Sounds like fun!

Have a great summer cruising with confidence your motors not going to be running hot anymore like it used to with the old cooling system.

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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

Good stuff!!
I'll soon be converting to a 4 bolt plate and 4 row core radiator after installing Vintage A/C.
Got most of those items on hand already.

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Re: Low dollar, BIG cooling

Bill please let me know how that vintage air works out for you, PM me or post here, whatever…. Probably my next mod

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Omaha, NE to Waverly and back, first car show of 2013 (unfinished, primer class) 80 miles round trip, took her over 100 mph twice... never went above 165 (high was 72 degrees)




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I cannot find that radiator anywhere locally for less than about $275-$300.

One place on Ebay has it for $176 but doesn't offer insurance on it while being shipped...


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I cannot find that radiator anywhere locally for less than about $275-$300.

One place on Ebay has it for $176 but doesn't offer insurance on it while being shipped...
O'Reillys got them for $159...probably a little less if ya know someone at the counter.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...1386&ppt=C0331

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hmmm, when I check that link, it comes up at $189.99??

Unfortunately, there are no O'Reilly's in Maryland, or within 100 miles of me. Maybe I'll see about getting one shipped, or just see if Summit can price match it.


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That is strange...

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Maybe you can print this off or screen shot it to help you in your price matching.
(You can also see how the listed specs are completely backwards)



Trust me, I measured it twice


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