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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old Mar 31st, 14, 4:18 PM Thread Starter
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Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

i have to order a full car wiring harness for my 72 chevelle. i plan on doing it myself and ive never done it before, so i want something that i will have the least trouble with. i was looking at the painless kit and the American Autowire kit. i read on another thread that the AAW requires special crimmpers that are $100 a piece. Thats pretty steep for only doing this once... The Painless wiring harness i found on summit doesnt look like it has as much stuff as the AAW kit and you have to purchase a separate engine harness kit which is another $150. not sure what to do here guys im not too happy with either kit. whats your guys experience with them?
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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

You can rent the crimpers I do believe. Both are good products but there are some catches. One big one is if you have electric fans they really don't support them properly in the upgrade version...
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Get the M&H Electrical harness from James at Hinshaws Chevelles. http://www.hinshawschevelle.com It will be plug and play, correct colors and connections. Have used several of them and they are the best in my opinion.
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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

My first choice would be M&H second choice American Autowire kit.
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what Jerry and jessie said. but, AAW has people who logon here regularly and help with wiring issues. This is worth a fortune if you run into trouble along the way. As near as I can tell the AAW and M&H are very nearly the same stuff.

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Anyone have an opinion on Ron Francis' harness?


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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

This is one of those topics’ that have been brought up a lot. If you do a search you will find them. If you want good plug and play and is very close to stock AAW and M&H is the way to go. However if you like doing things and are good with wiring Painless is very nice and a good product, but it's not for the novice. I went with Painless and it was fun for me, and since my car is far from stock it was a benefit in my opinion because of the use of modern fuses and the ease of adding additions without cutting up a factory style wiring harness.

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Love my AAW harness. Good instrucitons, everything is labled, great quality product and the tech support is awesome if you need it.

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i have to order a full car wiring harness for my 72 chevelle. i plan on doing it myself and ive never done it before, so i want something that i will have the least trouble with. i was looking at the painless kit and the American Autowire kit. i read on another thread that the AAW requires special crimmpers that are $100 a piece. Thats pretty steep for only doing this once... The Painless wiring harness i found on summit doesnt look like it has as much stuff as the AAW kit and you have to purchase a separate engine harness kit which is another $150. not sure what to do here guys im not too happy with either kit. whats your guys experience with them?

As others have stated, there are two distinct paths to go down. Stock "plug-n-play", or modified.

The stock stuff we manufacture can be built with alternator or ignitions system upgrades as needed also.

The main difference between our modified (Classic Update) or and Painless, or a Ron Francis kit is the completeness. They are all good products, but our kit is far more complete. It gives you all the correct lamps sockets, terminals, and connectors that are needed to complete the entire job. You will not have to cut and splice 40-60 wires to your 40+ year old lamp sockets and connectors like you will with the other kits.

Regarding Ron's comment, our kit does in fact address electric fans. We have a dedicated fused circuit with a trigger wire to use with any relay. We just do not supply that relay kit itself with the Classic Update kit as most fan suppliers or manufacturers supply that with their fan. If we were to include a relay kit, it would increase the cost of every kit by about $25.00. We just felt that it was better to supply that item separately. If someone is building a car that does require one, we do offer a high performance fan relay kit that utilizes SXL and GXL hi-heat wire, a good relay, and an OEM Delphi-Packard base, as opposed to an inexpensive "off shore" piece.

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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

I'm finishing re-wiring my 72 Elky w/ the AAW kit and love it. One of the best parts is that all the wires are labeled which really comes in handy.
I'm modifying my kit somewhat. I'm adding Digital Dakota gauges, Vintage Air, a dedicated relay system for the headlights and an upgraded stereo. But so far so good. The only issue I'm having is finding a location to mount the DD control units. But that has nothing to do w/ the AAW wiring kit.
So my recommendation is the AAW kit.
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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old Apr 3rd, 14, 2:00 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

Thanks for the help guys. I think for me the best kit is the AAW because of its completeness. thanks again
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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

I want to say that M&H sent me one hellova nice harness for my 70'. Factory colors and fittings. The fuse box was spot on for the original GM unit. It was crazy easy to install, practically fell in. Called em' once for help and they guy was very knowledgable and was not in a hurry to get off the phone.




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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old Apr 3rd, 14, 3:37 PM
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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

Why not Ron Francis? Has awesome select-a-circuit. Doesn't have bulk head connection though.

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Re: Painless Wiring or American Autowire?

I put AAW kit in my '71 - long but easy install. Everything worked on first try. Liked the ATC fuses and adaptability for HEI, 1-wire alternators, elec fans etc. I bought the Delco crimpers as they are are worthwhile tool and provide a factory like connection.

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