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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old Jun 26th, 00, 7:08 AM Thread Starter
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I want to install courtesy lights under the dash in my 70 SS (the 442 has 'em,and I LIKE 'em!! ) anyway,my console has the light in the rear that goes on when the door(s) open.Should I wire the underdash lights to the console light? Electrical projects are not my forte' and I don't wanna do anything stupid here and hack anything/overload a fuse.

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old Jun 26th, 00, 9:32 AM
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Now, you do have that circuit protected by a 20 AMP fuse, but I can't vouch personally if the wiring can handle all those lights...'cause now you have a dome light, a console light, and 2 courtesy lights. You're probably okay though, because GM usually over-engineered things, and I've heard some cars in junk-yards have the "odd" dome/courtesy light set-up. Remember the underdash lights were really only for convertibles...but I can't blame you for the liking the set-up.

Here's how I'd do it (based on factory wiring set-ups);




Remember only splice into the WHITE wires, especially on the driver's sie as the black wire is the KEY buzzer--don't mess with that circuit.

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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old Jun 26th, 00, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
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thanks,really appreciated.I saw a 69 Buick Skylark coupe that had 'em.That was going to be the doner car-but,it got junked Saturday.However,I also thought that convertible had 'em only too.I think I'll go with your wiring diagram.Thanks again

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You can really make those courtesy lites sexy You can get a Fader for those add on lites from Centech Wiring. They have a link at Chevelles.Net

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if you know the wattage of the bulbs u are using it is simple to calculate the current draw (amps)

current(amps)=power(watts) / 12 volts

i think that most small auto bulbs are 15 watts or less (tho you should check me on this) which means they would draw close to 1 amp max

so if your adding 4 bulbs to a circuit, thats only a 4-5 amp addition max (assuming the 15 watt max is correct) and thats most likely not enough to cause a problem (if memory serves i actually think most auto bulbs are more along the lines of 7 watts or so)

check me out on this wattage rating tho!!!
if you have a digital volt/ohm meter we can determine the actual current draw of the specific bulbs you want to use with a few simple measurements...
email me if you want to walk thru this exercise -->(I=12/R
measure R(ohms of bulb)
then calculate I(amps))

fuses should blow before wiring goes up in smoke (fuses are designed to protect wiring) but the kicker here is that with 30+ year old wiring harnesses any corriosn will create a high reisitance which will generate heat that the original non-corroded electircal system did not create and that could cause a heat/electrical fire problem...usually corrion of this type will occur at terminals and connections tho it can occur in the wire itself

i'll defer to coppertop for info on the actual wiring connections (how to) as i have already begged help from him for my own electrical system (thanks coppertop!!!!) but my post will give you some of the theory/background to help you decide what to do

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If you can find a Monte in a bone yard they have them. Originally the courtesy lights are a separate harness that plug right into the dash harness they are available from M&H Fabricators
The 442's use a diffeerent bulb socket it just snaps into the metal dash wheras the chevy's use a plastic bulb socket that screws to the dash

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My 78 & 79 A bodies both have under dash as well as dome lights. The wiring looks to be the same guage as in the 64 with dome light only. The 78 & newer courtesy lamps should be easy to find in a wrecking yard with the harness and are still available new.
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I'm thinking of installing courtesy lights in my '69 hardtop also. I haven't actually seen the kit yet but I'm hoping that there's a built-in Y-adapter included where it connects to the door jamb switch. This seems to be what is shown in the GM wiring diagram and the '69 factory assembly manual (page 12-B13). If that's the case then it won't be necessary to splice.

The wiring diagrams for later Chevys (after '72) show some differences in the way the courtesy lights are wired. In the later models, opening either door would turn on both lights. In 64-72, the diagrams seem to indicate that opening a door will only turn on the adjacent courtesy light. The later models also had the dome light terminal of the light switch connected in. In 64-72, the diagrams show the circuit running from the always hot BAT terminal on the fuse box to the grounded door jamb switch bypassing the light switch altogether. If I interpret that correctly, that would mean that you can't turn the courtesy lights on manually by turning the light switch knob fully counterclockwise. Are there any convertible owners out there who can confirm or dispute that?

Also, I believe that courtesy lights were available on Chevelle hardtops as a dealer installed accessory rather than a RPO option.

I'm thinking about showing my car in stock class after I get it restored. Can anyone tell me if dealer installed accessories (e.g. courtesy lights) would be considered by show judges to be a modification to the original car?

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Coppertop,thanks again.Got a pair from a buddy of mine(out of a Buick Skylark Or Monte)and installed them Monday per your diagram.REAL nice option to have-looks MINT when you open the door.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis69SS:


I'm thinking about showing my car in stock class after I get it restored. Can anyone tell me if dealer installed accessories (e.g. courtesy lights) would be considered by show judges to be a modification to the original car?

Thanks.


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I would not even worry about it.Even at a National event,(ACES,NCOA,etc.),I seriously doubt a judge would question the integrity of the(installed) option.I believe the RPO is ZJ9,if I'm not mistaken.Believe me,it is a RIGHTEOUS option to have.By buddy parts out a lot of 68-72 A bodies,and I was lucky to get 'em without having to look for 'em.It's a classy touch to add to a classy car And, Dennis:My 442 convertible's lights do go on by turning the knob counter clockwise.


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1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass 350 Olds,TH350(daily driver)
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Thanks for the advice Mr4speed.

BTW, I looked at the wiring diagram again and discovered there was another path that I missed before. Disregard what I was saying about how the 64-72 lights worked.

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The courtesy lights were included in the Auxilary Lighting option so any 70 Chevelle could have them if the Aux. Light pkg was ordered.

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