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Cardboard Listing Wire

Can anyone tell me the purpose of the cardboard covering on the listing wire? I am talking especially the listing wire that gets hog ringed to the seat springs. I have some wire I intend to use for that purpose but it is not cardboard covered.
I thought that maybe it is cardboard covered to prevent squeaks. If so then I thought maybe I could just use some heat shrink on my uncovered wire.
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All the old stuff I have come across is rusty inside the paper. Might have something to do with that.


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There is plastic covered utility wire at the hw store, I've used it before when my supplier was out of the paper covered stuff... Works fine, but not for listing sleeves, not stiff enough.

I think the paper just adds a little bulk to the music wire.

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Re: Cardboard Listing Wire

Hog rings get a better "grip" on wire covered with heavy paper or cardboard. Same reason the factory covered the edge wire on a seat frame with jute or cotton.
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I thought that maybe it is cardboard covered to prevent squeaks...
That would be my guess, or to keep it from ringing like a harp string, or rattling.

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Re: Cardboard Listing Wire

IIRC the original bw clips were paper lined and I believe the new ones are felt lined which I assume is to prevent squeaks and rattles.

Augy, i like your explanation of the better grip. Werent the wires used in the the bolster sleeves the cardboard covered as well? If so the better grip wouldnt be as much of an issue as the hog ring makes little contact with the wire as the sleeve is mostly surrounding the wire. Also I would think the non covered wire was cheaper therefore not used where not needed. Just trying to understand.

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Same reason the factory covered the edge wire on a seat frame with jute or cotton.
OOPS, I should have said seat SPRING assembly.

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You can find the paper wrapped listing wire here..

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I buy 25 yard rolls of paper-wrapped 16 ga wire for $25.00. Much less waste than the above "sticks", and cheaper.

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I buy 25 yard rolls of paper-wrapped 16 ga wire for $25.00. Much less waste than the above "sticks", and cheaper.
Care to share the source? Thats very reasonable. My local place charges $1 each for the 5ft sticks, but they won't ship them, local pickup only. i get tired of driving an hour to their place and have started considering other sources.

This is the cheapest i have found, though shipping will not be cheap either- i'm sure its heavy.

i've never actually ordered one- i usually buy 50 at a time and they last me several months, though if i was smarter i'd have bought a big roll a long time ago and saved $$

https://www.rochfordsupply.com/shop/...oll/index.html

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Yeah, it's midwestfabrics.com here in MN. They also sell it in the 4000 ft roll for 239.00, same as rochford supply. Midwest calls it art fiber stake wire.
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There is plastic covered utility wire at the hw store, I've used it before when my supplier was out of the paper covered stuff... Works fine, but not for listing sleeves, not stiff enough.

I think the paper just adds a little bulk to the music wire.
I used some copper stuff from some romex I had out in the storeroom. It's a little less stiff but seemed to work just fine.

And BTW the seats have sat in the attic for about 10 months now and all the wrinkles are gone. Almost look like they weren't done by some hack with an overinflated opinion of his own ability
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I used some copper stuff from some romex I had out in the storeroom. It's a little less stiff but seemed to work just fine.

And BTW the seats have sat in the attic for about 10 months now and all the wrinkles are gone. Almost look like they weren't done by some hack with an overinflated opinion of his own ability
LOL.
But while you were up there did sit in them and make vroom vroom sounds?

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