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Vintage Air in a Non-A/C 70

I have a non A/C 70 with small block engine and the alternator on the right hand side. I am planning to order the Vintage Air COMPLETE kit for non A/C cars.

My question is, is there anything I need to be aware of when ordering or installing??

Also do any of you have pictures of your institutions under the hood and inside the car?

Also does the normal heater controls get modified in any way? Or does it have its own controls?

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Re: Vintage Air in a Non-A/C 70

I do not own or have installed a kit but have looked at them. Your control panel gets replaced. You will need to have your hoses crimped at NAPA, or some place, after you cut them to length. And you will need to take the car to an AC shop to have it evacuated and charged. The only bad things that I have heard is that you loose 75% of your glove box and the system does not draw from outside fresh air. If you have not upgraded from the factory wiring, you may want to add a new power feed and fuse block for the AC system.

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The glovebox in my 70 did not suffer a 75% loss. More like 10%. You have to cut the back off to clear the inside unit. They give you a piece with a lip to replace the back that fits so-so.
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Re: Vintage Air in a Non-A/C 70

Here are some under hood and interior pics of the install. Mine was an a/c car, there should not be much of a difference for a non a/c car. Hope this helps.
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Re: Vintage Air in a Non-A/C 70

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I have a non A/C 70 with small block engine and the alternator on the right hand side. I am planning to order the Vintage Air COMPLETE kit for non A/C cars.

My question is, is there anything I need to be aware of when ordering or installing??

Also do any of you have pictures of your institutions under the hood and inside the car?

Also does the normal heater controls get modified in any way? Or does it have its own controls?

Thanks in advance
Just look at the instruction manual. They do use your heater control box but not the cables

https://www.vintageair.com/surefit-s...=GM%20Vehicles

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Just look at the instruction manual. They do use your heater control box but not the cables

https://www.vintageair.com/surefit-s...=GM%20Vehicles
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Here are some under hood and interior pics of the install. Mine was an a/c car, there should not be much of a difference for a non a/c car. Hope this helps.
Where are pictures #4 and #5 from?

Can you post a picture of the whole dash with the passenger door open?

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My question is, is there anything I need to be aware of when ordering or installing??
They sell a ac hose kit where you can cut and install your own fittings.

I bought that when I did my Camaro. It does add over $100 to the total but I think it was worth it.

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They sell a ac hose kit where you can cut and install your own fittings.

I bought that when I did my Camaro. It does add over $100 to the total but I think it was worth it.
So you have to have tools to crimp the fitting ends on the hoses?

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Just a correction, You do not use your own heater control panel, You must use the one that is supplied with the kit.
It is electronic and it controls servos that run the unit under the dash.

Also, if you get the Surefit kit that is for your car they send you the A/C hoses and you do need to have some of them crimped. I could not find anyone in my area that has an A/C fitting crimper so ended up buying one off ebay.
The crimps are different from a hydraulic hose. Vintage is very clear about that.
One more thing, I would highly recommend painting or better yet power coating all the brackets that come with the kit as they are not painted very well.

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So you have to have tools to crimp the fitting ends on the hoses?
Yes there are special pliers to use. They are expensive - $80. They don't "crimp" but they grab the clamps in a special way. I'm sure there are videos on youtube about this.

It was easy for me to make the hoses and I hate driving all over town trying to find someone to crimp a hose for me.

Just call the people there and talk to them about the "EZ-clip" hose system and how much more it costs.

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Re: Vintage Air in a Non-A/C 70

The current style hoses supplied with the kit do require a crimping tool, For a period of time Vintage air used a different style clamp but not in the Kit for Chevelle. I just installed this exact system in my 69 about 3 months ago. The tool is about $130.00 it comes with all the sizes you will need for this kit.
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The current style hoses supplied with the kit do require a crimping tool, For a period of time Vintage air used a different style clamp but not in the Kit for Chevelle. I just installed this exact system in my 69 about 3 months ago. The tool is about $130.00 it comes with all the sizes you will need for this kit.
What do they call the tool?

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It's called a Hydraulic A/C hose crimping tool. On ebay, sorry I don't know how to post the link.

I'm in central PA. If you are close enough you are welcome to use it when you get your kit. you only need to crimp 3 fittings, the other option is to measure and cut the lines and ship them back to Vintage and they will do them for you.

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Where are pictures #4 and #5 from?

Can you post a picture of the whole dash with the passenger door open?

Thanks
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Pic # 4 is shot from the pass side showing the evaporator/heater box under the dash.

Pic #5 is the same, shot down low by the shifter towards the pass side.

Any auto a/c shop can crimp the ends for you. When I did mine they charged 75.00 to crimp the ends, evac and fill.
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