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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 15th, 00, 6:39 PM Thread Starter
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One of my friends offered to sell me a 70 chevelle malibu, 454 spd car. I havent had a chance to look at it but he says its a 454 4spd car, all original malibu, not a SS. Im not sure about any of it since I havent had a chance to look at it but is it possible to order a malibu with a 454 in it? I know dealers and dealership employees were able to order the COPO camaros and those had 427's but didnt have any SS options/package. Also could it be a real SS but with minimal options? (ex.no cowl induction, gauges)
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 15th, 00, 6:49 PM
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year of car?

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post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 15th, 00, 6:56 PM
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Not likely, if it has a big block it was almost certainly installed by a previous owner. The only exception were some Malibu's which came with 396/402's. Even if the car was converted by some dealership it is irrelevant unless there is some paper work to prove it.

If the car is a good deal based on condition and drivetrain the consider buying it. Don't pay any extra on claims of some rare option.

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post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 15th, 00, 6:58 PM Thread Starter
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drptop70ss:
year of car?

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its a 70, if it is original its either the 360 hp or 450 hp, im pretty sure those are the only two hp versions they made in 70 so itd be worth it anyway but im still unsure about whether you could order a 454 in a malibu, ive heard that you could order any size motor you wanted in it and ive also heard that you could only order certain motors with the SS package.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Not likely, if it has a big block it was almost certainly installed by a previous owner. The only exception were some Malibu's which came with 396/402's. Even if the car was converted by some dealership it is irrelevant unless there is some paper work to prove it.

If the car is a good deal based on condition and drivetrain the consider buying it. Don't pay any extra on claims of some rare option.

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If it was converted by a dealership would there be any proof of that on the build sheet?
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post #6 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 15th, 00, 7:40 PM
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The build sheet ONLY tells how the car came from the factory. Anything that happened to the car after it left the factory would not be indicated on the build sheet.

There were NO 454's installed in Malibus. If you wanted a 454 cubic inch engine, you were "forced" to purchase an SS vehicle.

In 1970, there was ONLY one engine option that allowed a big block in a Malibu. It was the "400", in reality a 402.

I did a lot of research on these cars and created a page (bad need of updates I haven't had time for):

http://home.netcom.com/~radiojoe/Malibu.html

The bottom line is, this car is NOT original, although it would be a fun car to drive and work on if it has a 454, someone installed this engine later on in the car's life.

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post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 16th, 00, 8:46 AM
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hey coppertop- i have your water pump! i also have a nice set of side marker lights for a 71 chevelle. can't help with the quarters though

the only malibu with a BB was the malibu 400-with a 402

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post #8 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 16th, 00, 3:20 PM
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I am almost sure the only way to get a 454 in a Malibu was if you went with a Super Sport.The only non-SS Chevelle was the 70-72 Malibu 400 which was the LS-3 402. These cars are somewhat rare. I have only seen 3 or 4 of these cars, one of which I own.My 71 is even a little more rare because it is the only big block,"stick shift" Malibu I've seen.It was a special order car with only a few options. They include; LS-3 402,(now a 454) 3spd manual trans,(now a Super T-10) 12 bolt rear end, vinal top and rally wheels.No PS,no PB, and no AC. At one time ,I had the build sheet to prove it but have since lost it.

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post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 16th, 00, 7:36 PM
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Isn't that called a Heavy Chevy?
The poor mans SS.I hate the way they look,but love the drivetrain options.What a sleeper.I agree only way you could get 454 in a 1970 Chevelle was in the SS.No question about it.

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The 1969 COPO Chevelle's had most of the standard SS equipment. They have the SS hood, eye brow trim, black grill and black tail panel. Some COPO Chevells even had the SS on the steering wheel. The only SS parts they did not use were the ones that say SS "396" on them such as the emblems, door panels, and dash trim.
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post #11 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 17th, 00, 5:29 PM Thread Starter
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it seems like a long shot but could it be a baldwin motion? i havent seen the car so i dont know what it looks like, i cant rule out any possibilities until i see it so im tryin to throw out as many ideas as possible.what would you look for on a baldwin motion?

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Baldwin-Motion would have modified an SS car,not a Standard chevelle.Best way to document a B/M car would be with Dealer paperwork.A buildsheet won't prove nor disprove it is a B/M car.The Dealer paper work with VIN# and pertinant information along with modifcations would.

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post #13 of 13 (permalink) Old Dec 17th, 00, 7:43 PM
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Take a good look at this car. Could they maybe "assuming" it's a 454 since it's a big block? Could it actually be a 402, and they are simply mistaken?
Please take a good hard look at this car and let us know what you come up with.

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