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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 19, 6:07 PM Thread Starter
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Questions About Electric Cars

In my town they put a line of charging stations in a parking lot near a Dunkin Donuts. I was sitting there the other day having a coffee and I think it may have been one of those Tesla's that drove in and a lady got out and hooked it up to be charged. I was wondering if anyone knows how long does it take to charge one of these cars and how cheap it is. The charging stations also have Tesla on them.

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Time to charge depends on the charging station. The fast oned (120KW) take about an hour and a half for a full charge. The cheap ones that most public chargers are take like 9.5 hours. That's for a full charge, I think the idea of the public ones is to just add a little to keep you moving.
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I had one of the first Chev Volts. It came with a 110V charging cord. It took over 8 hours on that. I had a charging station installed which was 220v. The charge time according to the display on it said was in the 4.5 hour range. I understand they’re quicker now.

There was a period of time where I could make my daily drive without any fuel then charge it every night. My electric bill went up about $35 per month. I spend about $70 a week in gasoline for my Suburban.
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EVs are all "the rage" with some folks who think they're doing a good thing for the environment by being "green." Unfortunately, all they're doing is moving from gasoline consumption (and all its bad stuff) to coal consumption (and all its worse stuff).

If the power company could guarantee me that the electricity I use to juice up an EV came from 100% renewable energy, I'd be all over an EV. Since they can't I'll just keep buying "corn gas (ethanol)" for the 2015 Impala.
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My friend has a Tesla and the usual idea is that they stop off at a "Supercharger" station for 20-30 minutes to get half a charge. It's not linear, so people usually do the quick charge unless they are stopping for a meal. It depends on the model and when they bought. He gets free use of the Supercharging stations.

As for coal, I don't think we have any coal plants in California, so the offset is not nearly as bad as you think. And my buddy also has solar panels on his house. His bills are close to zero, with A/C and a swimming pool.
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I used to think/say the same thing about relocating the burning of fuel on electrics, but ignoring wind/solar/hydro/nuke. Even with coal and oil power plants, they are much more efficient at converting the heat of combustion to movement than a piston engine. So it is a win all the way around.
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EV's are popular in certain areas. My BIL who lives in Austin has a Tesla and also manages a new high rise in downtown Austin and says they are offering charging stations for every resident.
Last year I spent 6 weeks working in Savannah GA and was staying in a hotel. After about 4 weeks my car was getting pretty dirty. I started eyeing up the outdoor hose reels at the hotel across the street and one day thought I would slide over there and wash my car.
When I went over there I found they weren't hose reels at all but electric charging stations.
Just as well because they probably would have kicked me out anyway.
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Every time I think about battery powered cars I can't help but think of all the battery powered tools and their chargers I've thrown away.

A friend has had one for several years now and it still looks and drives like new after using it to drive back and forth to work every day.
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Every time I think about battery powered cars I can't help but think of all the battery powered tools and their chargers I've thrown away.

A friend has had one for several years now and it still looks and drives like new after using it to drive back and forth to work every day.
Dean, you bring up a good point. What does one do as the EV vehicle ages. Will they be forced to buy new batteries at half the original cost of the vehicle? Will they suffer from diminished capacity of the aging batteries? Can the original batteries be rebuilt? Will they be required to be rebuilt? Is there an age that the battery becomes more of a liability than an advantage?
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Dean, you bring up a good point. What does one do as the EV vehicle ages. Will they be forced to buy new batteries at half the original cost of the vehicle? Will they suffer from diminished capacity of the aging batteries? Can the original batteries be rebuilt? Will they be required to be rebuilt? Is there an age that the battery becomes more of a liability than an advantage?
I have wondered that too but hybrid cars have been out for a decade and I have never heard of anyone needing to buy batteries for them.
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EVs are all "the rage" with some folks who think they're doing a good thing for the environment by being "green." Unfortunately, all they're doing is moving from gasoline consumption (and all its bad stuff) to coal consumption (and all its worse stuff).

If the power company could guarantee me that the electricity I use to juice up an EV came from 100% renewable energy, I'd be all over an EV. Since they can't I'll just keep buying "corn gas (ethanol)" for the 2015 Impala.
The term "green" is being overused and abused. But if it makes people feel good, so be it. And yeah, most people with the Prius just dont get that the electricity that is going into their car is being produced by fuel on the other end.
Really dive into the world of wind turbines and you will learn they are pretty far from being "green" as well.
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There is a growing support industry that takes "packs" from things like Prius and tests each cell and replaces bad ones. Much cheaper than new, and you get back most of new performance. Also some (BMW maybe) companies are actually warranty/guarantee the battery capacity. Something like "will have 70% after 5 years" or something like that. I would say that there are still a lot of improvements coming, but in every way, electric cars are here mainstream and are usable. I think everyone should get one. More gas leftover for my cars!
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1 - I would love to add a relatively cheap add-on electric drive to the El Camino, partially for kicks, and partially so I can part in a plug in spot legitimately and see what the Nissan Leaf guys do.
2 - I have seriously considered getting a Cadillac ELR (basically a 2 Door Volt that looks nicer, which is basically a Cruze with ranger extender hybrid)
I wish you had removable powerplants on things like the Volt which is considered a "range extender" where the car is effectively a plug in electric car, but has a usable gas engine so you could drive non-stop across the country. The downside is, when you are running local on electric, you are hauling around hundreds of pounds of engine, or long trips, tons of batteries and electric motors.
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I talked to my friend at our Chevelle Club lunch today and he said when he bought his Volt eight years ago the life expectancy of the batteries was fifteen years with a replacement cost expectancy of $10,000.00 but he thinks it is much cheaper now due to better technology and methods.

He said "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it"

He loves his Volt and not having to buy gasoline.
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If I remember right, the cost of electricity to run an electric car is about 1/3 the cost of gasoline for the same distance.
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My wife bought this last week just to drive around locally, fairly new lake front park 12-13 blks away, ball field, my shop is about 10 blocks away, conv. store and dog rides, 6-8 volt batteries built in 120 volt charger and does 30 mph and street legal, I think EV's are here to stay
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