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post #76 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 9th, 16, 1:53 AM
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I am running into the same issue. My lower passenger side but stripped off and my control arm fell out. Luckily it happened I. My driveway as I was driving in so I made into the garage with little damage

My question for you guys is, when ordering the new ball joints (after reading I'm just going to replace all of them) what year make model am I ordering for??? Any have any part numbers for uppers and lowers that will fit in these over seas control arms??
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post #77 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 9th, 16, 2:43 AM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

go to Rockauto.com. go thru their catalog listing deal. look up your car by make/model/year, find the front suspension and steering stuff, order up all you want in Moog brand. Their quality hasn't changed that I know of. Last batch of stuff I got was all Made in USA.

Those control arms should take stock service parts.

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post #78 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 9th, 16, 3:12 AM
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I am running into the same issue. My lower passenger side but stripped off and my control arm fell out. Luckily it happened I. My driveway as I was driving in so I made into the garage with little damage

My question for you guys is, when ordering the new ball joints (after reading I'm just going to replace all of them) what year make model am I ordering for??? Any have any part numbers for uppers and lowers that will fit in these over seas control arms??
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post #79 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 1:21 PM
 
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

im going to bring this back to life a bit, and ask the guys that have the ebay knock off tubular control arms, if they in fact help with steering feel,

i am rebuilding a 1968 Beaumont aka the Canadian Chevelle..... and would like it to steer like a newer car and not a boat. So to the guys that actually have these arms, do they work? and yes they will
be getting better ball joints put in them if i do buy them. and maybe rubber bushings and not there cheap poly ones, unless you can tell me if there bushings will last.

also would the a offset upper control arm shaft get me the same results? if so i would just rebuild my stock arms with a offset shaft. but i just can't find a hard answer,

and are they stock ride height or do they drop the car any?

thanks.

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

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im going to bring this back to life a bit, and ask the guys that have the ebay knock off tubular control arms, if they in fact help with steering feel,

i am rebuilding a 1968 Beaumont aka the Canadian Chevelle..... and would like it to steer like a newer car and not a boat. So to the guys that actually have these arms, do they work? and yes they will
be getting better ball joints put in them if i do buy them. and maybe rubber bushings and not there cheap poly ones, unless you can tell me if there bushings will last.

also would the a offset upper control arm shaft get me the same results? if so i would just rebuild my stock arms with a offset shaft. but i just can't find a hard answer,

and are they stock ride height or do they drop the car any?

thanks.
I have them, and you can see them in my thread. First, I feel sort of ****ty for buying them as I would like to keep the money in country. Having said that, I have every reason to believe that the arms I have are not GW knock offs, but probably previous gen GW arms. I took the liberty of swapping out the ball joints but used the cross shaft that came with it.

With that out of the way, they aligned fine to 1/16 total tow, -2.5deg camber, and almost +3.5 caster. The car feels MUCH better. The front doesnt feel like its going to roll over on itself. They made the car MUCH tighter in the corners.

Disclaimer, when I did this I also lowered the car 2" on springs. So that contributed to the handling improvements. But the steering wheel feels much less spongy and that is a direct improvement from the arms.

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post #81 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 5:24 PM
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Changing to a Fast Ratio power steering gearbox will also increase road feel dramatically.
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post #82 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 5:41 PM
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im going to bring this back to life a bit, and ask the guys that have the ebay knock off tubular control arms, if they in fact help with steering feel,

i am rebuilding a 1968 Beaumont aka the Canadian Chevelle..... and would like it to steer like a newer car and not a boat. So to the guys that actually have these arms, do they work? and yes they will
be getting better ball joints put in them if i do buy them. and maybe rubber bushings and not there cheap poly ones, unless you can tell me if there bushings will last.

also would the a offset upper control arm shaft get me the same results? if so i would just rebuild my stock arms with a offset shaft. but i just can't find a hard answer,

and are they stock ride height or do they drop the car any?

thanks.
I have them. I have the ones that look exactly like the older Global West geometry plus arms. In fact I think they are the same part, either leftover stock or the factory in China that made them for GW kept making them for Ebay sellers after GW changed the design. The ball joints are a lower spec though.

Everyone is right about the ball joints. The uppers in mine were loose after a couple hundred miles. I replaced them with moog. I'm keeping an eye on the lowers for now, they seem ok so far.

I was able to easily get 6 degrees of caster with them. The car handles much better with these. I also added at the same time 1" lowering springs with a higher rate and a 1 5/16 swaybar from summit, their house brand stuff. It's not expensive and works well.

Though it handled much better, it still steered like an ocean liner with the original steering box. I changed to the jeep grand cherokee box and now it steers like a modern sports car.

The bushings seem ok. They are greaseable so if you keep them lubed they should be fine.
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post #83 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 8:57 PM
 
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Changing to a Fast Ratio power steering gearbox will also increase road feel dramatically.
i am for sure going to do the Jeep swap as well.
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post #84 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 8:59 PM
 
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

this is exactly what i wanted to hear. thank you!

did yours keep the stock ride height or did they drop the car? i can't fine the answer to this ....
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post #85 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 9:14 PM
 
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

well i said screw it and just ordered them, uppers and lowers, and also ordered a set of boxed rear arms and adjustable uppers for the rear. total of $850 CND or about $666 USD.... even after is replace the ball joints its under a grand so that isn't so bad .

im hitting the pick and pull this week to get a steering box and some S-10 rear brakes.

thanks guys
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this is exactly what i wanted to hear. thank you!

did yours keep the stock ride height or did they drop the car? i can't fine the answer to this ....
I couldn't say, I changed the springs at the same time.

They shouldn't lower the car.

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well i said screw it and just ordered them, uppers and lowers, and also ordered a set of boxed rear arms and adjustable uppers for the rear. total of $850 CND or about $666 USD.... even after is replace the ball joints its under a grand so that isn't so bad .

im hitting the pick and pull this week to get a steering box and some S-10 rear brakes.

thanks guys
I paid $260 for the front arms on Ebay and got some UMI rear upper and lower tubular arms for $289. I had no need for adjustables.
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post #87 of 107 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 16, 9:31 PM
 
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I couldn't say, I changed the springs at the same time.

They shouldn't lower the car.



I paid $260 for the front arms on Ebay and got some UMI rear upper and lower tubular arms for $289. I had no need for adjustables.

ya the front arms were $269 US and the rear boxed lower and boxed adjustable uppers were 291 for all 4.
the shipping and import fee's are what kill me lol. we always get screwed when buying things in canada lol

i need ( or so iv been reading that i will) adjustable uppers as im putting a LS in when i get to that point.. so may as well do it now.
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post #88 of 107 (permalink) Old Sep 18th, 16, 9:42 AM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Well everyone was right. After the upper joints got loose at 500 miles, I replaced them with moog. Now at 3000 miles the right lower is loose. I noticed when changing the oil the other day. Going to have to change the lowers for moog too. Arms themselves seem ok.
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

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well i said screw it and just ordered them, uppers and lowers, and also ordered a set of boxed rear arms and adjustable uppers for the rear. total of $850 CND or about $666 USD.... even after is replace the ball joints its under a grand so that isn't so bad .

im hitting the pick and pull this week to get a steering box and some S-10 rear brakes.

thanks guys
imagine the cost of gw or umi a-arms with our dollar plus the the shipping rape..now we are looking at almost 2k..ya I bought the chinese a arms
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post #90 of 107 (permalink) Old Nov 21st, 16, 7:38 PM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

I bought these arms before finding this site. Only have a couple hundred miles, if that, on them then the car has sat on jack stands for about three years. The boots on the BJ's look like bad all ready. I am going to put Moogs in them, but I had allready bought ProForge .50 tall uppers a while back that I was going to use in the stock arms. Any benefit to using them in these arms? Car is on QA1 coil overs with UMI sway bar, 70 ElCo.
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