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post #31 of 107 (permalink) Old May 16th, 13, 5:06 PM
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RockAuto has good pricing on MOOG. Recently MOOG prices seem to have come down some. Somebody on here thought they were making stuff in Mexico, but my latest big box of MOOG was USA stuff.

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....so are the ball joints the only downfall to these Chinese A-arms? I've always been under the impression that the arms themselves were problematic. Are the Chinese arms good as long as they have good ball joints? If so, I may redo my front suspension sooner than I planned!
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Just asking is too vague to even consider. I agree that reputable reputation goes a long way, but in this case anything from cheep overseas manufacturers is questionable and highly undesirable in my opinion without published testing specifications and to what standard.

You have to verify the quality of the tubular metal they purchased, its composition, the type of bending they use and any stress relief heat treatment, the composition of their welding rods and the quality of their welding, any stress testing and at what levels.

I know this is not stuff that gets advertised in the specification sheets but this is the product development and failure analysis results that determine the quality and end use.

Next part of this equation: if you ask for verification of these tests and materials, can you get it? Can the company verify the standards they built them to? Show me - I doubt it almost all of the time.

When it comes to a critical part on your car, wait a little longer, save the extra cash, and buy something of very high quality built to a known standard. On the other hand if its a box of paper clips...well you get the idea.

I had a materials professor in college tell me once, and I will never forget it, "Cheap is just that - cheap, low cost on the other hand - is engineered".

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BJ's, inner / outer tie rods, centerlink all from NAPA. All boxes read

"Heche en USA"

I was so happy about that I took pictures of the boxes.
Made by DANA, since I work there now that is what I will be using...cost plus 10% is hard to beat. Prior to the new job Moog was my first choice.

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Wonderin then whats in the loaded control arms from Ecklers? Just put those on both sides couple of months ago.


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post #35 of 107 (permalink) Old Jul 24th, 13, 1:06 PM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

So then, after reading this entire thread, the consensus of opinion is:

That the Right Stuff upper and lower tubular control arms are good enough to use on your 1964 - 1972 Chevelle provided that you replace the upper and lower ball joints with an American made equivalent such as:

Raybestos #505-1009 lower ball joint

Raybestos #500-1009 upper ball joint

or, for Tom's sake,

Moog K5103 lower ball joint

Moog K5108 upper ball joint

As far as we know, no 'Chinese' brand tubular control arm has fractured or wore out and been reported to this Board to this date. It is further noted that as a off shore knockoff, for the money they are worth installing as a low buck solution. It is further agreed that we all should strive to buy American made products and support local suppliers. This is my take on the threads that I read on this Board.

If anyone has any discrepancies to the contrary I would suggest that they make it known to the Members, and support it with descriptions and pictures of the carnage.

Both of the above brand names come with complete hardware kits as seen on this link,



UMI does make a fine unit at a slightly larger cost, http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=739

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

I am not sure about our cars, but when I rebuilt the control arms on my Chevy 1 Ton, I found that Moog makes a special lower ball joint that is even beefier than their standard offering. That is pretty cool. They are listed under their "Problem Solver" parts.

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....so are the ball joints the only downfall to these Chinese A-arms? I've always been under the impression that the arms themselves were problematic. Are the Chinese arms good as long as they have good ball joints? If so, I may redo my front suspension sooner than I planned!
No, I talk to Customers all the time that have Chinese Stuff that doesn't line up, the Bushings are Bad, The Shock Attachment Points in the Lowers are Off, etc. Then they ask me what to do - Send them Back, Throw them away is my answer.

The other Downfall is the Moral dilemma - Do you want Chinese, Japanese, Korean Parts on your American-Made Car? Do want to continue the Erosion of America by sending your Money to a Foreign Country?

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^^^^^^
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Lol!!

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Good thread, I'll be swapping out the ball joints on my CPP tubular a-arms.
Been driving on them for 4 summers now and havent had any issues but i'd rather be safe then sorry.

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Here's a quote from another thread

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Mine are on an everyday driver. I took them into a local welder who does a lot of ship fab for the Navy. He spot ground into a few fillets and without actually x-raying the arms, his opinion of the visual is that the fillets appeared as good as any he has seen.

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

I hardness tested the take out Chinese BJs just out of curiosity. They come out to RC52. I never sent them in for material analysis though. I can have it done for free - I just haven't.

But like Bill I brought my arms into work with me and had them do a sonic weld test. Tested fine. So as far as the quality of the arms is concerned, I think theyre fine.

But the one thing that does bother me is I don't know if theyre an exact rip off of the Global West arms. Or if Global West has their stuff made offshore and just slaps a GW sticker on it. I mean - these control arms look identical to the previous generation GW arms with the exception of the BJs.

Having said that GW has repeatedly stated the off shore arms are a direct rip off. And that is enough to make me want to swap the arms for US built ones.

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Its been said here many times before to change out the ball joints that come with these off shore control arms. I use moog with no problems.......yet.....

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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

I also believe in buying American made but that doesn't always mean buying GM. Ordered a light switch for my 72 SS. Came in GM box made in China or Taiwan I can't remember. I do remember I sent it back and put my old switch back on. By the way I have my complete front ended rebuilt with MOOG . I agree buy AMERICAN. I think back to my childhood If I had a toy that was made in Japan I was embarrassed. Well today if I have something that isn't made in the USA I am embarrassed!! Especially on my Chevelle!
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