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post #16 of 107 (permalink) Old Apr 8th, 13, 6:42 PM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

not at all sure where you're coming from there Bill. This is a new current production made in USA Moog ball joint. Looks good to me.

I wouldn't put any of that low friction stuff in a street car that's going to getting any miles.

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post #17 of 107 (permalink) Old Apr 22nd, 13, 5:20 AM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Anyone got part numbers for a good quality lower joint? I happen to have a set of said control arms and have heard about the ball joint issues. Mine arent on the car yet so now is the time to remedy the issue.
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Anyone got part numbers for a good quality lower joint? I happen to have a set of said control arms and have heard about the ball joint issues. Mine arent on the car yet so now is the time to remedy the issue.
I think most any name brand should work, beware of no name generic type. The Carquest I do business with asked "You want a cheap one, or a good one?" The "good" one was a Raybestos Pro Grade, assembled in the USA. Night and day difference in the studs. I have the broken one, and the one I took out of the other side sitting in the Raybestos box on the bench, can get the actual part # tomorrow if you'd like.
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I think most any name brand should work, beware of no name generic type. The Carquest I do business with asked "You want a cheap one, or a good one?" The "good" one was a Raybestos Pro Grade, assembled in the USA. Night and day difference in the studs. I have the broken one, and the one I took out of the other side sitting in the Raybestos box on the bench, can get the actual part # tomorrow if you'd like.
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Yeah Jim if you wouldnt mind that would be great. Thanks.
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

This kind of stuff is exactly why I write long screeds about esoteric details of metallurgy and why I rant about lack of vendor quality control via ASME approved testing methodologies.

This China thing is totally out of control.

What's it going to take? Is one of us going to have to get killed before the rest get serious about challenging vendors who keep stocking measurably substandard/defective parts?

Yes, it is a hassle to pursue, yes it takes time, yes it costs more to select excellence and to support vendors who prefer American made, American raw materials sourced parts...but It is worth it.

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Yeah Jim if you wouldnt mind that would be great. Thanks.
Anthony, Raybestos Pro Grade part # 505-1009
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thanks jim. Going to try and get to the auto parts store this weekend to pick up a couple.
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This kind of stuff is exactly why I write long screeds about esoteric details of metallurgy and why I rant about lack of vendor quality control via ASME approved testing methodologies.

This China thing is totally out of control.

What's it going to take? Is one of us going to have to get killed before the rest get serious about challenging vendors who keep stocking measurably substandard/defective parts?

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also ProForged makes a nice ball joint

I thought ProForged was made in U.S.A. and not until i had them installed in my lower control arms did i find out they are made in Taiwan. It's a bummer, should have went with Howe. The guys at UMI that i talked to did seem to think they are good.Here is hoping they never snap on me.
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Great read,, Back in the 80's I used to use all moog stuff. I really liked it. Just getting back into the game again and like to hear about all the new stuff and the good and bad.
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

Did anyone mention Moog?

Stupid name, pricey, lifetime warranty, Tom loves them, and made in the USA.

FTR, I have never installed Chinese junk in my customers cars, from a Camry to a Super Duty. Never been sued from damage resulting in a broken tie rod end or ball joint either. Or any other reason for that matter. Is there a correlation? I think so

Couple of junkers and a few clunkers.
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Anthony, Raybestos Pro Grade part # 505-1009
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Might check rock auto. They have all the raybestos stuff and with coupons to cover shipping often cheaper than local shops. Yeah, I know...support your local shops...and thats all fine and dandy but sometimes my wallet cant support my plan to support my local shops although I do that whenever possible.
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post #28 of 107 (permalink) Old May 15th, 13, 7:35 AM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

I also bought a set of these "chinese" tubular arms. I'm installing them this week and I usually read the car forums when upgrading to see where other people suggest advice.

After reading this thread I looked at the ball joints installed in the new a-arms and sure enough they tapered down below where the spindle attached. I sure am glad that I read this thread as I was probably just going to use them until now. So then I start looking at the upper ball joints and they are also inferior quality. To make a long story short, I will be replacing all the ball joints today with american made quality parts.

I guess at the price they sell for I should have been more attuned to caveat emptor.
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post #29 of 107 (permalink) Old May 15th, 13, 4:42 PM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

RockAuto has good pricing on MOOG. Recently MOOG prices seem to have come down some. Somebody on here thought they were making stuff in Mexico, but my latest big box of MOOG was USA stuff.

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post #30 of 107 (permalink) Old May 15th, 13, 5:43 PM
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Re: Ball joint snapped in offshore tubular control arm!!!

....so are the ball joints the only downfall to these Chinese A-arms? I've always been under the impression that the arms themselves were problematic. Are the Chinese arms good as long as they have good ball joints? If so, I may redo my front suspension sooner than I planned!

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