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post #16 of 27 (permalink) Old May 20th, 19, 10:11 AM
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Re: Sway bar time.. Thinking Hellwig..

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Maybe a call to Mark Savitske is in order. The front and rear bar need to be matched for best performance. On that note, actually all the suspension components need to work together as a system. I have a copy of his book, how to make your muscle car handle. I used the info from the book to set my car up and have no complaints.
SS John, did you work from his revised edition or previous?
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Re: Sway bar time.. Thinking Hellwig..

UMI front and rear on my 70 ( mounted to UMI lower control arms) took all the body roll out of the car and I have zero issues with it binding the rear suspension.
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Kirks67SS,

Anti roll/Drag bar? Which drag bar is that? And your criticising me for just using the word bar? Any reason you didn't criticise many other posters for just using the word 'bar'? Or the OP who opened the thread with 'Sway bar' & not 'Anti Sway bar'.
Geoff as has been pointed out to you by many TCs there is a difference in how each one is Mounted/Installed

And how they help with or hinder the Car's Suspension

The one ( Anti Roll/Drag Bar ) you described in your Post # 4 is a lot different in how it is Mounted/Installed to our Cars
than an OEM Type Sway Bar is Mounted/Installed in our Cars

I asked the OP which one he was talking about in my Post # 13
and I did not criticise you for using the word "Bar" that I know of !

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60' = 1.664
1/8 = 7.532 et / 91 mph
1/4 = 11.814 et / 115 mph
NEW Best with 3,500+ Stall TC 2019/09/08
60' = 1.547
1/8 = 7.311 et / 91.76 mph
1/4 = 11.595 et / 114.28 mph


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SS John, did you work from his revised edition or previous?
Ill have to look when I get home, will post a pic of the cover.
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UMI front and rear on my 70 ( mounted to UMI lower control arms) took all the body roll out of the car and I have zero issues with it binding the rear suspension.
Same here to Pat on my 67 plus I have the Rear Upper Adjustable Control Arms
which help Centre the Rearend and set the Pinion Angle correctly
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67 Chevelle Malibu SS Cdn
Born 283 / PG / A51
468/TH400 2,500 stall/ S60 3.70 Gs
Prev Best on M/T ET S/S #3454 street Tires/Dress 2018/05/20
60' = 1.664
1/8 = 7.532 et / 91 mph
1/4 = 11.814 et / 115 mph
NEW Best with 3,500+ Stall TC 2019/09/08
60' = 1.547
1/8 = 7.311 et / 91.76 mph
1/4 = 11.595 et / 114.28 mph


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Re: Sway bar time.. Thinking Hellwig..

I think some of the confusion is caused by Hellwig. They themselves call their "anti-roll" style bar a sway bar. The Hellwig version is a nice piece for street cars or cars that just see the track occasionally. It isn't as stout as some of the others like UMI, Spohn, etc., so it still has some give, but has the benefits of tying the axle to the frame instead of the control arms.

This link has good photos of this particular bar... https://static.summitracing.com/glob.../hel-55864.pdf

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Ill have to look when I get home, will post a pic of the cover.
No mention of revision.
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Re: Sway bar time.. Thinking Hellwig..

Not just Hellwig calls these "sway bars". Below are all the same style as the Hellwig - mounted to axle and frame.

UMI - "GM A-BODY 1 TUBULAR REAR SWAY BAR, CHASSIS MOUNTED"
1964-1972 GM A-Body 1? Tubular Rear Sway Bar, Chassis Mounted [4047-XXX] - $429.99 : UMI Performance, Inc.

Spohn - "Pro-Touring Adjustable Rear Sway Bar"
https://www.spohn.net/shop/1968-1972...GM-A-Body.html

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I think some of the confusion is caused by Hellwig. They themselves call their "anti-roll" style bar a sway bar. The Hellwig version is a nice piece for street cars or cars that just see the track occasionally. It isn't as stout as some of the others like UMI, Spohn, etc., so it still has some give, but has the benefits of tying the axle to the frame instead of the control arms.

This link has good photos of this particular bar... https://static.summitracing.com/glob.../hel-55864.pdf

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Same here to Pat on my 67 plus I have the Rear Upper Adjustable Control Arms
which help Centre the Rearend and set the Pinion Angle correctly

I have the adjustable uppers as well Greg.
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post #25 of 27 (permalink) Old May 21st, 19, 6:38 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Sway bar time.. Thinking Hellwig..

I think I'll get a softer bar but use heavy end links..
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post #26 of 27 (permalink) Old May 22nd, 19, 8:40 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Sway bar time.. Thinking Hellwig..

I'm going with the Detroit Speed bar. I always wanted to have all DSE parts and this will be a start. .

I'm using DSE 031402..

Anybody have any input on DSE?

Thank you..
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No mention of revision.
Thanks SS John !

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