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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old Feb 13th, 08, 2:49 PM Thread Starter
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#'s matching engine in my El Camino ???

I just bought a 1969 El Camino that came with a #'s matching engine. The numbers on the pad say "TOI16HB" and then the vin# is also stamped there. The casting # on the back is "3932388". The heads are "3947041" with date codes "L30 8" and "L2 8". What are those date codes? Would these be original heads for this engine? I searched around and can only find the "HB" listed that says it's an L48 300HP 350. My El Camino is just a normal model / Non SS. Would this engine come in a plain jane Elky? I've read that this engine came in an SS 350 camaro. Any info you can give me would be appreciated. This is my first El Camino. I've had 3 Camaros before. Thanks.

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Re: #'s matching engine in my El Camino ???

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I just bought a 1969 El Camino that came with a #'s matching engine. The numbers on the pad say "TOI16HB" and then the vin# is also stamped there. The casting # on the back is "3932388". The heads are "3947041" with date codes "L30 8" and "L2 8". What are those date codes? Would these be original heads for this engine? I searched around and can only find the "HB" listed that says it's an L48 300HP 350. My El Camino is just a normal model / Non SS. Would this engine come in a plain jane Elky? I've read that this engine came in an SS 350 camaro. Any info you can give me would be appreciated. This is my first El Camino. I've had 3 Camaros before. Thanks.
T0I16HB is the engine ID. T means the engine was built at Tonawanda, NY, 0I16 is January 16, and HB is the suffix code for a 350/300 L48 w/TH350 transmission. The partial VIN shows what year/plant/sequence number the engine was to be installed in.

In my reference material, the 3932388 block is kind of an unknown. Most 69s received a block cast with 3932386 and the 388 blocks found were dated from Sept to Dec of 68.

Nothing unique about the heads, typical 350/300 with 1.94 intakes and 1.50 exhausts. Dates are December (L) 2 and 28 of 1968 so they're correct for a 69 car after December of 1968 and would be right for the early January dated engine.

Plain Jane? Me, I cringe when I hear that term. Makes anything less than a fully loaded car sound mundane. There were two series of the El Camino; 300 Deluxe (134/13480) and Malibu (135/13680). The Malibu series had nicer trim appointments but the engine could have been ordered in either trim level. The play of 'plain Jane' against an SS Chevelle/El Camino in 1969 is really unfair. The 396 SS option in 1969 was just that, an option just like a/c, a radio, etc. On the El Camino side the option was only available on the Malibu series and included the engine, trim, etc.

Check my http://www.chevellestuff.com site for more data.

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Re: #'s matching engine in my El Camino ???

Wow, it sounds like you know your stuff Dale. Thanks a bunch for the answer to my questions. I have the Malibu series Elky. Sorry to call it plain jane. I didn't know what else to call it. God Bless You.

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1998 Buick Regal GS Supercharged V6. Smaller SC pulley, SLP cold air box, TB spacer

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Wow, it sounds like you know your stuff Dale. Thanks a bunch for the answer to my questions. I have the Malibu series Elky. Sorry to call it plain jane. I didn't know what else to call it. God Bless You.
Didn't mean to sound like it was a slam, lot's of very nice 'plain Jane' Chevelles (and owners) out there that seem to get overshadowed by the SS cars. Quick question on the engine stamp, actually two. They're sometimes hard to see but (1) does the 'O' look like the letter 'oh' or '0' number and (2) do the 'I' and '1' characters look like the letter 'I' or the number '1' or is there indeed one of each?

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Didn't mean to sound like it was a slam, lot's of very nice 'plain Jane' Chevelles (and owners) out there that seem to get overshadowed by the SS cars. Quick question on the engine stamp, actually two. They're sometimes hard to see but (1) does the 'O' look like the letter 'oh' or '0' number and (2) do the 'I' and '1' characters look like the letter 'I' or the number '1' or is there indeed one of each?
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The "O" looks fat like the letter O and not tall and skinny like the number zero. The "I" and "1" are both there. The pad is in really good condition and easily readible. The number is " TOI16HB" Tee OH Eye One Six H Bee. I know that "T" means Tonowanda NY and HB mean L48 350/300HP but what do the "OI16" mean? My Vin# is 136809Z******. That makes my Elky a "Malibu" V8 car right? With this engine do I automatically have a special rear end (ie. posi) or was that all optional too. I haven't checked out the diff yet. I was also given a forged crank with it all that is supposed to be the one that came in the engine. It's a "1182" Could that be the original crank?

Thanks again Dale.

1998 Chevy Z71 Full Size Pick-up Vortec 350

1998 Buick Regal GS Supercharged V6. Smaller SC pulley, SLP cold air box, TB spacer

68 El Camino 350, B&M TH350, 12 bolt posi 3.73's. SOLD
71 El Camino 350/350
SOLD
70 El Camino 350, Vortec heads, Lunati 60103 cam. SOLD
69 El Camino parts car. SOLD

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The "O" looks fat like the letter O and not tall and skinny like the number zero. The "I" and "1" are both there. The pad is in really good condition and easily readible. The number is " TOI16HB" Tee OH Eye One Six H Bee. I know that "T" means Tonowanda NY and HB mean L48 350/300HP but what do the "OI16" mean? My Vin# is 136809Z******. That makes my Elky a "Malibu" V8 car right? With this engine do I automatically have a special rear end (ie. posi) or was that all optional too. I haven't checked out the diff yet.

Thanks again Dale.
The reason I asked is Tonawanda seems to alternate the way they do zeros/ohs and I/1. Can't remember seeing both I and 1 used, more often it's just I even when there are two - such as 0II6. The first two characters are the month (01-January) and second two are the day (16).

Your 13680 VIN is a Malibu series V8 2-dr sedan pickup. Even a SS-optioned 69 Elky would start with 13680 since the SS package was an option and not a separate series after 1968.

The VIN will show zero options; no optional engine, transmission, rear end, or accessory such as radios, a/c, p/s, etc. Trim tag will essentially only show body assembly date, paint color(s), and interior trim - again, no options. Now, if you had the warranty Protect-O-Plate, it would show the specific engine, transmission, and rear end installed. Well, it'll show the codes stamped on those items and with those one can find out the specifics. If the rear end appears original, there's a stamping on the passenger side towards the front of the axle housing that will have codes and dates of the ratio that came in that housing originally. The first two letters found will tell the ratio (and if it was Positraction or not), the next four number are the build date (mm/dd) and probably a letter following for the rear end's plant, like B for Buffalo.

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Re: #'s matching engine in my El Camino ???

I was also given a forged crank with it all that is supposed to be the one that came in the engine. It's a "1182" Could that be the original crank?

1998 Chevy Z71 Full Size Pick-up Vortec 350

1998 Buick Regal GS Supercharged V6. Smaller SC pulley, SLP cold air box, TB spacer

68 El Camino 350, B&M TH350, 12 bolt posi 3.73's. SOLD
71 El Camino 350/350
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70 El Camino 350, Vortec heads, Lunati 60103 cam. SOLD
69 El Camino parts car. SOLD

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