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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 11th, 07, 9:18 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation Kansas city engine stamping

I finally got my 69 SS home and in the garage tonight, It is a 72 color code car so i know it is a true SS.. Here is my worry, the engine is a # matching 396 350 horse stamping, but on the front of the engine. I have been under the car and i cannot find any stamping near my oil filter housing. Did the Kansas city plant stamp in both locations?
here is the block info

block #3955272 (69 325-350 hp 2 bolt main)
T0210KB (Tonawanda-Feb-10th KB= 350 HP H.D Clutch, Hi Perf)
9K****** (1969- Kansas- last 6 digits of my Vin)

everything seems good except location

Thanks for the help
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oh and for whoever is researching the L in the cowl tag for Kansas city cars, my SS has it


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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

You sure you looked in the right place?


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post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 11th, 07, 11:09 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

i'll look again but would the block be stamped in both places?
I already told you that all my vin and engine suffixs are on the front....
does anyone know if they were in either location for kansas?

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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 11th, 07, 11:48 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

well just got out from under the 69 again...no vin stamping at the oil housing, so if this is a real #'s matching car i assume it was an alternate location for the Kansas plant.
or it's a restamp...but the date code puts it 2 weeks before the build date of the car so it sounds right.
Please someone chime in ....

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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

I was always under the assumption that more were stamped on the engine pad than were stamped where mine is but then I don't know that for fact.

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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

In a mini survey of 69 Chevelles, so far anyway, all KC and Atlanta big block Chevelles have been on the oil filter pad - none reported on the engine ID pad with the Tonawanda date/ID and all other 69 plants have been on the engine pad. Not that hard to find a correct date coded block stamping; only one in the world should have the correct CON VIN. Also, all 69 CON VIN stampings I've seen begin with "19" and not "9". Maybe others have seen different...

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post #7 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 12th, 07, 1:40 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

i took another look...it is hard to read the info behind the alternator..
the last code is 19K410455...last 6 being my vin. All the stamps look correct done as a group not individual stamps...i will remove the alternator tomorrow and click some pic. maybe that will clear up if it is a restamp. hopefully it is legit. I did the intake and that seems to be in the right timeline as far as assembly order
here is that info
3931067 casting....A 22 9 date code(jan 22 1969)
will post pcs in the morning

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post #8 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 12th, 07, 7:00 AM
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

Posting a pic for Font comparisson is the next move.

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post #9 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 12th, 07, 9:18 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

ok pics are up
there was a ton of paint on the block...had to scrape over the pad to remove it for the pics to come out..don't mind the light scratches




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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

According to the code (KB) on your stamping, the car originally was a 350 horse 396 with a heavy duty clutch. At first glance it all looks good, but others may have a different opinion.
Can you get a more detailed close-up of the stamping to see if the the original broach marks are present?
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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 07, 8:21 AM
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

This is more of a couple posed question than doubting the stamp.



But from the exposure I've had with kansas stampings, they are typically pretty sloppy I thought. (See above oil Boss for example)

Were kansas "Gang Stamped" ? if you look at this VIN stamp it is clearly gang stamped as the entire sequence is light on the bottom.

Did Kansas gang stamp their VIN's in 69 on the VIN pad?

Or were they individually stamped with variation between the digits?


Secondly, the only examples I've seen of Kansas 69/70 VIN stamps on the VIN pad were "Upside down" in relation to the Tonawanda Stamp.

Has anyone seen stamping in line with the Tonawanda stamp?




Tonawanda Engine Assembly date is 02/10 VIN sequence is Early march so that lines up.

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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

On my 69 Kansas built SS, I had to get a small wire wheel brush on an air die grinder to see the stamped #'s. When I started, I thought to myself, "There's nothing there". But, they were there. It's a tough place!
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post #13 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 07, 8:36 AM
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

I don't believe there would be a VIN stamp on the VIN pad and the Oil Filter Boss.

Should be one or the other.

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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

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I don't believe there would be a VIN stamp on the VIN pad and the Oil Filter Boss.

Should be one or the other.
There is not 2 stamps....

All I want to know is has anyone seen a Kansas city made Chevelle stamped on the front of the engine...INSTEAD of the oil filter location?, Like mine has.

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post #15 of 21 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 07, 12:45 PM
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Re: Kansas city engine stamping

The only one's I have ever seen referanced have had anomolies.


1. Stamped Upside Down in Comparison to the Tonawanda Stamp.

2. Letter "I" used in place of numeral "1"

3. Light "Double Stamping"

4. Possible letter variations as in not perfectly "gang Stamped"


I know you didn't specifically ask for this information, but this is what I see.

After extensive searching there does seem to be evidance of other members with stamps on the front Pad on Kansas 69 and 70's, but only mentioned with the above anomolies.

I am not a governing authority by any means whatsoever, but I think what I see at least warrents further clarification by someone more experienced than me regarding the originality of the stamp.

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