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post #1 of 85 (permalink) Old Jul 7th, 20, 6:05 AM Thread Starter
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Thoughts on AFR 210's (pics)

Anyone have a opinion on these AFT 210's?

They have some damage in the one chamber, but other than that they appear to be in good shape.

What's your impression of the deal?


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Value new is about $2150

The used heads will need to be cleaned, milled, and valve jobbed and we dont know it the springs and guides are good. Cost $350-400, plus what the welding and reshaping the chambers would cost. If you could do the chamber repair yourself it looks like a good deal, if not and if they need spring, guides and what ever else it could become no or little savings for used parts and screwing around.
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I figure If it was worth it to fix and sell he would have. But by the time they’re fixed there’d be no way to get his money back.

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Looks like a pass.

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Re: Thoughts on AFR 210's (pics)

Maybe get some better pictures of that bad chamber?? The less damaged chambers look like a simple .020" mill would fix 95% of that, leaving just a little hand work in the chamber..

As to the bad chamber, it doesn't look as damaged as you might think if you blow the pic up big....some of what looks like big dents on the intake side large quench pad is impacted aluminum from what was probably a busted hyper piston stuck on the surface there sticking up and hammered to the surface at gasket thickness, and possibly an .040-.050 mill cut would clear it all up, leaving just the hand work in the chambers which don't look very bad.

Doesn't look like welding is needed, valves and seats don't look hurt so maybe just a valve job, some milling, and some hand smoothing and equalizing in all the chambers would have you into a nice set of heads for $1200-1300 outlay, noting that they come with $320 worth of rocker arms with them.

Depends on ow much hand work you want to do....if you were willing to do the hand finishing, I'd say offer $800 and if he says no walk away. At that price, even if they prove too bad to fix, you've got the rockers and all the parts to fill a set of bare castings cheaply.

viability comes down to whether yo have to pay someone else to do all the work or not.
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Maybe get some better pictures of that bad chamber?? The less damaged chambers look like a simple .020" mill would fix 95% of that, leaving just a little hand work in the chamber..

As to the bad chamber, it doesn't look as damaged as you might think if you blow the pic up big....some of what looks like big dents on the intake side large quench pad is impacted aluminum from what was probably a busted hyper piston stuck on the surface there sticking up and hammered to the surface at gasket thickness, and possibly an .040-.050 mill cut would clear it all up, leaving just the hand work in the chambers which don't look very bad.

Doesn't look like welding is needed, valves and seats don't look hurt so maybe just a valve job, some milling, and some hand smoothing and equalizing in all the chambers would have you into a nice set of heads for $1200-1300 outlay, noting that they come with $320 worth of rocker arms with them.

Depends on ow much hand work you want to do....if you were willing to do the hand finishing, I'd say offer $800 and if he says no walk away. At that price, even if they prove too bad to fix, you've got the rockers and all the parts to fill a set of bare castings cheaply.

viability comes down to whether yo have to pay someone else to do all the work or not.
Will ask some more questions of him.

My ability is to be able to just assemble the heads and stuff.

I have only tried some cast iron porting work and didnt like my results.

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I have also come across these.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...27999301520143

While they are not idea valve size wise or runner size, I think there MSCA are around 1.90 and they flow around 241 @ .300 and 247 @ .400.

The flow numbers jump up to 275 @ .500 and .280 @ .550.

I dont know, what you think on a 406 turning 6000 to 6500 rpms?

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I have also come across these.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...27999301520143

While they are not idea valve size wise or runner size, I think there MSCA are around 1.90 and they flow around 241 @ .300 and 247 @ .400.

The flow numbers jump up to 275 @ .500 and .280 @ .550.

I dont know, what you think on a 406 turning 6000 to 6500 rpms?
Those are pre-eliminator heads. If they came in 100% cnc (competition package) and a version with cnc chambers and partially cnc ports (street package).

If they are the street package they were advertised as flowing 262 @ .500.

I have a set of those old street 195cc heads. These are the heads I'm going to use on my 406, I had a new valve job and some porting work done on them

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Those are pre-eliminator heads. If they came in 100% cnc (competition package) and a version with cnc chambers and partially cnc ports (street package).

If they are the street package they were advertised as flowing 262 @ .500.

I have a set of those old street 195cc heads. These are the heads I'm going to use on my 406, I had a new valve job and some porting work done on them
If you are correct, which I think you are.

Then this puts them in the same area as the Brodix IK 200's.

I guess if you talked a guy down a couple of hundred to 1000, you still aright about the same level as a brand new set fully assembled by Eric.

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I have also come across these.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...27999301520143

While they are not idea valve size wise or runner size, I think there MSCA are around 1.90 and they flow around 241 @ .300 and 247 @ .400.

The flow numbers jump up to 275 @ .500 and .280 @ .550.

I dont know, what you think on a 406 turning 6000 to 6500 rpms?
MSCA on AFR 195 is supposed to be 1.98. When I brought my heads to the machine shop they measured the MSCA on one of the ports, he calculated it on that port as being 2.01

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MSCA on AFR 195 is supposed to be 1.98. When I brought my heads to the machine shop they measured the MSCA on one of the ports, he calculated it on that port as being 2.01
So on the 195's they are around 1.9 to 2.0 then.

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So on the 195's they are around 1.9 to 2.0 then.
According to "How to Build Big Inch Chevy Small Blocks"

AFR 180 is 1.93
AFR 195 is 1.98
AFR 210 is 2.05

They do not list MCSA for the AFR 190

On my 195's the section of the port with the pushrod pinch is as cast. So there is probably casting variations

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According to "How to Build Big Inch Chevy Small Blocks"

AFR 180 is 1.93
AFR 195 is 1.98
AFR 210 is 2.05

They do not list MCSA for the AFR 190
Old new is the book?

The AFR website list the 210 at 2.10 MCSA.

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Old new is the book?

The AFR website list the 210 at 2.10 MCSA.
I got the book back in 2004 so those are numbers for pre-eliminator heads

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I got the book back in 2004 so those are numbers for pre-eliminator heads
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