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post #31 of 45 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 19, 4:07 PM
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I have the GM performance cast valve covers on my 467, which do not have baffles inside. I used a spare JLT oil separator can which I used to have on my F150, and plumbed it inline to the vacuum port on my carb. Made a bracket and attached it to the firewall. The hose to the carb pulls through the wire mesh screen inside the can. The can collects quite a bit of oil, about 1 ounce in 100 miles. I thought it better to have the mesh filter on the side going to the carb rather than the side coming from the valve cover. My thinking is that the oil is less likely to make it into the hose to the carb.
I have the same valve covers. I use the Moroso PCV Grommet with Integral Baffles (68772) on the PCV side with Wagner DF-17 PCV, and an open grommet on the breather side. That works well for me. The baffled grommet is a $4 part, so, you might want to try it to see if it helps stop all that oil being sucked up by the PCV.

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I just plumbed this in with my ME Wagner Dual Flow adjustable PCV valve.
It's been sitting collecting dust for a year or more,so today was the day to get this project off of the old "To Do" list,lol
I didn't have the proper fittings but I made do.
I gutted an old PCV valve for the top "out" hose to the back of the carb.
For the bottom I put a 5/8 hose on the 8 an fitting and put the 3/8 hose from the PCV valve inside the 5/8 hose.
Might not be the correct way to do it,but hopefully it will work until I can get the proper fittings.
Other than starting it to make sure that it still runs I haven't gone for a trial drive yet,but that will be soon.
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Do you have a Part # and where to get the Trick Flow can ?
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I have the GM performance cast valve covers on my 467, which do not have baffles inside. I used a spare JLT oil separator can which I used to have on my F150, and plumbed it inline to the vacuum port on my carb. Made a bracket and attached it to the firewall. The hose to the carb pulls through the wire mesh screen inside the can. The can collects quite a bit of oil, about 1 ounce in 100 miles. I thought it better to have the mesh filter on the side going to the carb rather than the side coming from the valve cover. My thinking is that the oil is less likely to make it into the hose to the carb.
I have the same valve covers. I use the Moroso PCV Grommet with Integral Baffles (68772) on the PCV side with Wagner DF-17 PCV, and an open grommet on the breather side. That works well for me. The baffled grommet is a $4 part, so, you might want to try it to see if it helps stop all that oil being sucked up by the PCV.
I did run the Moroso grommet for a while. But they are restrictive. MJ advised against using them.
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Do you have a Part # and where to get the Trick Flow can ?
Sure do,I got mine at Summit;
https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...0850/overview/
And if you are using 3/8 hose from the PCV like I do you will need this fitting for the bottom "In" 8 AN fitting;
https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...8201/overview/
For the top "Out" fitting I gutted an old PCV valve and used that.
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I did run the Moroso grommet for a while. But they are restrictive. MJ advised against using them.
Maybe, but, here is my experience, your mileage may vary. I had a random oil drops at WOT. different locations. I suspected my PCV because of my radical cam. I put in the Wagner DF-17. The Moroso grommet has a 1/16th slit across. I widened it to 1/8" plus slit. I tuned my Wagner DF-17 a few times and viola, all oil leaks disappear. After a while, I was getting a additional oil consumption, so, just for giggles, I took out the hogged out 1/8" plus slit Moroso grommet and put in a stock Moroso grommet (1/16" slit), and also changed the orientation of the slit to go from front to back instead of right to left. The results were good. Still no oil drips or leaks anywhere at WOT and less oil consumption. I decided to leave the 1/16" slit Moroso in there instead of the 1/8" plus slit Moroso. It has been a while now, a few months of driving, and the 1/16" slit stock Moroso is working perfectly. Everything is dry, no oil seep anywhere.
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Sure do,I got mine at Summit;
https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...0850/overview/
And if you are using 3/8 hose from the PCV like I do you will need this fitting for the bottom "In" 8 AN fitting;
https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...8201/overview/
For the top "Out" fitting I gutted an old PCV valve and used that.
Guy
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468/TH400 2,500 stall/ S60 3.70 Gs
Prev Best on M/T ET S/S #3454 street Tires/Dress 2018/05/20
60' = 1.664
1/8 = 7.532 et / 91 mph
1/4 = 11.814 et / 115 mph
NEW Best with 3,500+ Stall TC 2019/09/08
60' = 1.547
1/8 = 7.311 et / 91.76 mph
1/4 = 11.595 et / 114.28 mph


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Maybe, but, here is my experience, your mileage may vary. I had a random oil drops at WOT. different locations. I suspected my PCV because of my radical cam. I put in the Wagner DF-17. The Moroso grommet has a 1/16th slit across. I widened it to 1/8" plus slit. I tuned my Wagner DF-17 a few times and viola, all oil leaks disappear. After a while, I was getting a additional oil consumption, so, just for giggles, I took out the hogged out 1/8" plus slit Moroso grommet and put in a stock Moroso grommet (1/16" slit), and also changed the orientation of the slit to go from front to back instead of right to left. The results were good. Still no oil drips or leaks anywhere at WOT and less oil consumption. I decided to leave the 1/16" slit Moroso in there instead of the 1/8" plus slit Moroso. It has been a while now, a few months of driving, and the 1/16" slit stock Moroso is working perfectly. Everything is dry, no oil seep anywhere.

I just ordered my valve yesterday. Gene at M/E Wagner is great. He said the results are mixed with the Moroso grommets as I use them in my Chevrolet performance valve covers. He suggested I make a set of baffles, really good read on his website about baffles and a pic on how he suggests making them. I would have to drill holes in my covers but I think either nice black buttonheads or countersinking them and they would look just fine. He also suggested the catch can.


Look forward to giving it a go.
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I have the same valve covers. I use the Moroso PCV Grommet with Integral Baffles (68772) on the PCV side with Wagner DF-17 PCV, and an open grommet on the breather side. That works well for me. The baffled grommet is a $4 part, so, you might want to try it to see if it helps stop all that oil being sucked up by the PCV.

you run an open grommet, no baffle on any type on the non pcv side? Right now I am getting no oil in my PCV valve or hose going to carb..but I am getting some smoke out the pipes. Never had this issue until I switch to these valve covers and the mroso grommets.
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you run an open grommet, no baffle on any type on the non pcv side? Right now I am getting no oil in my PCV valve or hose going to carb..but I am getting some smoke out the pipes. Never had this issue until I switch to these valve covers and the mroso grommets.
yes, I now run the stock Moroso baffle (no modification, stock 1/16" slit) on the PCV side (3/4" hole for the PCV). I run an open baffle (1" hole) with a breather on the other side. I get no smoke or oil out of the breather side, nor the PCV side. If I get the Chevelle hot, let it idle with my big cam, then, plug the PCV hole, after a while with a flashlight, I can see some oil vapor out of the breather on the other side. Once, I hook up the Wagner PCV again, there is zero oil vapor coming out of the breather side. This is an easy way to validate that your new Wagner PCV is set correctly and air is being sucked in on the breather side.
Note: with my old PCV, I was getting some oil seep around the grommets in both valve covers after flogging the Chevelle. That is all gone now, everything is dry. Now, I also realize that this leaking was telling me that my PCV was not the right one.

Regarding adding hardware baffles, I have the expensive black Chevrolet (lettered) aluminum tall valve covers, made in California. I took one off and inspected them for a metal baffle installation. I even bought a few metal baffles. Bottom-line, there are no bosses, so, there is no safe way to put a baffle in these valve covers unless you do a drill through. I refuse to ruin these valve covers with a drill through strategy...

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I just ordered my valve yesterday. Gene at M/E Wagner is great. He said the results are mixed with the Moroso grommets as I use them in my Chevrolet performance valve covers. He suggested I make a set of baffles, really good read on his website about baffles and a pic on how he suggests making them. I would have to drill holes in my covers but I think either nice black buttonheads or countersinking them and they would look just fine. He also suggested the catch can.


Look forward to giving it a go.
You will love the Wagner PCV valve. For me, it was like magic after it was tuned. Note: Make sure the valve and motor are hot when you tune it, this is critical to get the right tune. If you doubt the engine is hot enough, then, turn the adjustment an additional 1/4 turn clockwise to get it perfect.

Sounds like we have the same valve covers. See my last post, I refuse to ruin these expensive valve covers with a drill through. If you figure out an elegant way with buttonheads or countersinking, please post a pic. Thanks !

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You will love the Wagner PCV valve. For me, it was like magic after it was tuned. Note: Make sure the valve and motor are hot when you tune it, this is critical to get the right tune. If you doubt the engine is hot enough, then, turn the adjustment an additional 1/4 turn clockwise to get it perfect.

Sounds like we have the same valve covers. See my last post, I refuse to ruin these expensive valve covers with a drill through. If you figure out an elegant way with buttonheads or countersinking, please post a pic. Thanks !

When I switched to these valve covers, which I think are amazing looking but drives me nuts they did not baffle! I put the Moroso grommets in and was getting blow by around the breather and PCV..so I changed PCV valves to an AC Delco that folks on here suggested. NO more blow by but now smoke out of the tail pipes that I NEVER had. So first going to try the valve, if that does not fix it , my thougth was to make a small baffle like Wagner has on their site and drill two small holes and come up with a way to make it look good. Gene at Wagner said he saw people with these covers just countersink the holes a little so the a tapered allen head bolt sits flush and they look pretty trick. But that will be a last resort. Also plan on putting a Moroso 85497 can on the firewall.


Will also try various grommet setups to see if what you have works for me.. On my breather side took one of the Moroso grommets that have no hole in the bottom and took sidecuts and made holes in the sides of them...so nothing is coming up directly into it, comes from the sides, seemed to work well. BUT they don't make them in the 3/4" diameter hole just 1" so doing that on the PCV side is not an option


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When I switched to these valve covers, which I think are amazing looking but drives me nuts they did not baffle! I put the Moroso grommets in and was getting blow by around the breather and PCV..so I changed PCV valves to an AC Delco that folks on here suggested. NO more blow by but now smoke out of the tail pipes that I NEVER had. So first going to try the valve, if that does not fix it , my thougth was to make a small baffle like Wagner has on their site and drill two small holes and come up with a way to make it look good. Gene at Wagner said he saw people with these covers just countersink the holes a little so the a tapered allen head bolt sits flush and they look pretty trick. But that will be a last resort. Also plan on putting a Moroso 85497 can on the firewall.


Will also try various grommet setups to see if what you have works for me.. On my breather side took one of the Moroso grommets that have no hole in the bottom and took sidecuts and made holes in the sides of them...so nothing is coming up directly into it, comes from the sides, seemed to work well. BUT they don't make them in the 3/4" diameter hole just 1" so doing that on the PCV side is not an option
fyi, here are some pics of my setup. Note: I am running the "lighter" spring in the Wagner PCV, and you can see my screw setting with approx. 9 in hg of vacuum at idle at 850 rpm (manual transmission).





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Add W1 makes a nice catch can, Well made.

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I was happy with the results of adding an adjustable PCV and catch can on my 496 over just breathers. Mostly less crankcase vapor smell.

I made the pieces, so the PCV is just a needle and seat type deal where I can adjust the orifice size, no fancy check ball or second circuit.

Depending on how I adjusted it, I can get either a couple drops of oil in the catch can, or ounces. I settled on an adjustment where the breather hole on the other valve cover is pulling a vacuum at any rpm (free revving it), that gets the catch can about 1/2oz in 1000 miles.

Nobody has noticed the catch can mounted on the back of the driver's side cyl head, I wanted it to be mostly hidden.
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