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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old Sep 12th, 19, 11:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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66 Chevelle AMD Fender Problem

I bought 2 new fenders awhile back from Auto Metal Direct with several problems. It was fix one just to find another and another etc. After contacting them about the first defect they offered to waive the restocking fee but I would have to pay the return truck freight. It would have cost me a total of $310 plus dollars just to have a look at the fenders. I would not buy anything from Auto Metal Direct again.

The problem I need advise on is reshaping the front top of the fenders. Here are pictures of what I am up against.
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Re: 66 Chevelle AMD Fender Problem

No damage to the hood and it matches the old fenders. Look like I will have to drill out the spot welds along the horizontal support and attempt to reshape it. How best to do it??
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Re: 66 Chevelle AMD Fender Problem

I think you'd be better off reshaping the hood. I don't think you'll ever get there on the fenders. What do your gaps look like at the back? Hood to cowl, fenders to hood, etc.

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Re: 66 Chevelle AMD Fender Problem

Hood to cowl is 3/8 inch. Due to the flatness of the fenders it is way forward to align the leading front edges.
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Re: 66 Chevelle AMD Fender Problem

I had the same problem with a passenger side reproduction fender. Admittedly, the 10 yr old aftermarket hood was not perfect either.

We cut out a piece of cardboard to match the hood profile for use as a template

Drilled out the spot welds along the inner brace to fender.

Mounted the fender on a stand and gently adjusted the fender to match the cardboard template

Clamped the fender to the inner brace and plug welded the old spot welds.

Sounds hard and it took two of us but certainly worth the time and effort.
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I think you'd be better off reshaping the hood. I don't think you'll ever get there on the fenders. What do your gaps look like at the back? Hood to cowl, fenders to hood, etc.

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Come to think of it, we also tweaked the hood a bit by rocking a 2x4 from front to rear of the hood with a LOT of pressure.


We may have even clamped the ends of the 2x4 to the hood to assist adding pressure to the contour.
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Re: 66 Chevelle AMD Fender Problem

I swear 66-67 front ends have to be the worst at panel alignment. My brother is a body guy, working on my dad's 66 convertible. All new front sheet metal, purchased in different years. What a rats nest of problems. He had a trapezoidal hood problem - align the fenders to the doors and get the X right.... Then the hood looked off. I saw what it took to fix it, and I don't envy anyone taking that on.

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I think you'd be better off reshaping the hood. I don't think you'll ever get there on the fenders. What do your gaps look like at the back? Hood to cowl, fenders to hood, etc.

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Maybe a new hood from AMD would fit the contours of the fender ? Rather than rework a stock hood, buy a hood and you may not have to modify anything.

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I think I would rather find 2 used OEM fenders and fix whatever is wrong with them. At least they are likely to fit right.
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Come to think of it, we also tweaked the hood a bit by rocking a 2x4 from front to rear of the hood with a LOT of pressure.


We may have even clamped the ends of the 2x4 to the hood to assist adding pressure to the contour.

I had to do that also. I also had to drill out the welds on the outer ends of my radiator support and adjust to get my hood to fender gaps correct after the hood to cowl vent was good.
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I think I would rather find 2 used OEM fenders and fix whatever is wrong with them. At least they are likely to fit right.
I do this all day, every day and it is the preferred choice for every make and model car I restore. One can make most repro parts fit, but it very time consuming for a novice. Assembly line parts are the best choice; NOS can be poorly stamped due to worn out dies.
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I do this all day, everyday. Exactly how would you perform your suggested procedure?
Well, let me begin by saying I am not a body man. I don't have a procedure. I am an engineer. I problem solve. And looking at the OPs problem tells me that you can tear into 2 fenders (2 things to fix) or reshape the hood 1 fix. Yes I know it's 2 edges, but reshaping the hood does not require drilling out 12 spot welds, yes?
If the hood was moved forward to match the leading edge fender to hood, then that tell s me it's a hood problem. Does every set of 66 fenders have this issue? Now, again, I don't do this professionally or DIY. If you have the procedure, please help him.

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Well, let me begin by saying I am not a body man. I don't have a procedure. I am an engineer. I problem solve. And looking at the OPs problem tells me that you can tear into 2 fenders (2 things to fix) or reshape the hood 1 fix. Yes I know it's 2 edges, but reshaping the hood does not require drilling out 12 spot welds, yes?
If the hood was moved forward to match the leading edge fender to hood, then that tell s me it's a hood problem. Does every set of 66 fenders have this issue? Now, again, I don't do this professionally or DIY. If you have the procedure, please help him.

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If you do not have decades of restoration or collision experience, perhaps you should not be providing advice. Many gearheads do no have an engineering degree, but they can design and build a car from scratch from frame to body to drivetrain. Built, not bought.
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If you do not have decades of restoration or collision experience, perhaps you should not be providing advice. Many gearheads do no have an engineering degree, but they can design and build a car from scratch from frame to body to drivetrain. Built, not bought.
What a mouth. I'll bet you know it all, just ask you. I can see this is why the body shop forum is thin with answers. Show us. Show us you know it all instead of belittling others that dont have your DECADES OF EXPERIENCE. I built my car, didn't buy it. Piss off.

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I do this all day, every day and it is the preferred choice for every make and model car I restore. One can make most repro parts fit, but it very time consuming for a novice. Assembly line parts are the best choice; NOS can be poorly stamped due to worn out dies.
One more thing. I GUARANTEE YOU the OP will try every other piece of advice on this thread before he takes the "experts advice" of buy OEM fenders. I at least offered an opinion, you did not.

OK I'm done. I'm embarassed how this has played out, I'm embarassed for Team Chevelle. If I was the OP, I would leave and not comment again. This is how forums die. I apologize to everyone reading this.

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