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post #16 of 27 (permalink) Old Jun 10th, 19, 5:28 PM Thread Starter
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Is that SEM trim black in a spray can? Why not get a flattened single stage urethane.
SPI offers SS black in various sheens if I recall.
I picked up a quart for a spray gun. I gave it a shot after doing some searches and it sounded like it was pretty close to original and a cheaper price. I just looked at the SPI flat black SS coatings now... looks like they sell them by the gallon that can be mixed at different ratios, so dishing out nearly $200 for trim paint was a bit out of my budget at the moment, since all I need it for are small parts for now. I'll be needing the single stage stuff for when I do the underside of the hood, core, and inner fenders.
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Do your research on the products and pick one manufacturer,stick with their products thru out your paint job. Later on if there is a failure,it won't be because of incompatible components and your paint company won't have any excuse not to stand behind their products correctly applied.Ask me how I know.Each paint company has the proper products to use within their system and they will stand by them,I don't intermix paints and products from different companies.I feel safer using their dedicated products made to work together.To me it isn't worth the risk of failure for a few dollars of savings compared to the high cost of materials in todays market place.It will cost a lot to do a rework down the road.Just my .02 cents,but with 30 years of body shop ownership behind my reasons.Good luck,Tom..
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I had an almost perfect Kandy House of kolor paint job done in 2007 on my 69 Chevelle until now, now any body filler that was put on bare metal has lifted.


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Iíve been using Utech E350 epoxy and 2K100 urethane primer for years. They are both great primers and a reasonable cost IMO.
For topcoats, Iíve been using PPG dealers, Deltron base and DCU2021 clear.

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Two weeks ago I decided to strip the back panel because I had some lifting and I could repair that without doing the whole car, The girl that owns the paint supply store in my area mixed me up 4 ounces of Global star satin black single stage urethane.
I sprayed 4 coats on top of Matrix epoxy and am very pleased the way it turned out, she also said most of the body shops around are using this stuff for a base coat and Matrix clear coat to save money.

https://www.lusidtechnologies.com/globalstar

Turns out they are a sub of Lucid technologies.


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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old Oct 2nd, 19, 12:52 AM Thread Starter
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Yea....this SPI stuff is really nice! Though I'm wondering how to make this stuff blend when I'm doing sections at a time. Is there a way to guarantee adhesion when attempting to blend, or am I just going to have to eventually scuff the whole thing and prime at once? Not really a big deal as I'm going to have to re-shoot after all the body work is done anyway, but just wondering if it's necessary on areas that won't have body work.
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I have been painting cars, motorcycles, airplanes, etc for over 30 years. SPI is without a doubt the best I have ever used. I use to use PPG, Glasurit, etc and for the money, you cannot beat SPI. Their epoxy primer is literally a do-all product and you cannot beat their Universal clear. I used all SPI products on my latest build and wouldn't consider anything else.

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Very nice! Only thing...I'm looking for to be dark blue at some point, but SPI doesn't seem to have that color available as I only see warm colors and black. Does SPI provide custom mixes of other colors?
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Very nice! Only thing...I'm looking for to be dark blue at some point, but SPI doesn't seem to have that color available as I only see warm colors and black. Does SPI provide custom mixes of other colors?
No, they only do their own colors. BUT...... you can use their primers/clear coats with any manufactures basecoat. Some people frown on mixing brands but I have been doing this for 30+ years and unless it is insurance work etc, there is no problem with it.

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Yea....this SPI stuff is really nice! Though I'm wondering how to make this stuff blend when I'm doing sections at a time. Is there a way to guarantee adhesion when attempting to blend, or am I just going to have to eventually scuff the whole thing and prime at once? Not really a big deal as I'm going to have to re-shoot after all the body work is done anyway, but just wondering if it's necessary on areas that won't have body work.
If you are using SPI epoxy, then adhesion will not be an issue at all. Don't worry about the blending. Before you apply your color, use the epoxy mixed 1:1:1 as a sealer on the whole body and you are all set.

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Because NONE of those products are meant for bare metal application. They have NO corrosion resistance protection. They are meant to be applied on bare metal spots or breakthroughs not entire panels of nothing but bare metal.


Also, the vast majority of paint products IMO are geared towards collision repair. The name of the game is reducing the number of products a shop needs to buy and more importantly its all about speed.


Fun fact, some OEMs REQUIRE the use of epoxy on bare metal prior to applying body filler.
AMEN!! Epoxy on bare metal always. Nothing else should go on before the epoxy. The old days of filler on metal are gone, as filler cures it creates heat which creates moisture between the filler and the metal.

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Maybe I'm too casual in my approach to prepping for paint, but when the pros at the supply shop tell me to use this, that, and this other stuff and they are all compatible and designed for and recommended for direct to metal use, I have to believe them since they supply all the professional body shops and if they are having problems the supplier would definitely know. Maybe there is the possibility that down the road there could be substrate issues, but I doubt I'll live long enough to be proven wrong.
Looking back at my projects over the years, I painted my 46 pickup 45 years ago using products that today can best be described as primitive, still looks great. Painted my 58 Belair 30 years ago with primitive prep supplies, still winning trophies. Same thing on my Chevelles and 5 or so other cars in the fleet, not one of them has a paint job newer that 10 years old and they all look just fine. Now that I'm doing a few new cars I'm trying to be as up to date on the new products and procedures as I possibly can, while reminding myself that stuff I did uninformed and in the dark 45 years ago hasn't failed yet.
Just my $.02 but i NEVER trust the guy at the counter selling anything, they are there to sell product and 99% of the time have zero training or experience using anything they sell. They are trained to sell it, not how to use it. Not that there is anything wrong with the old technology, it is like anything else, it is all in the prep. I use to use lacquer primer, spot putty, etc back in the 80's as well but those products have no business in today's world. Collision work and custom/restoration work are 2 completely different things. Insurance work is dictated by the insurance company and the body shops have to get the cars in and out as quickly as they can within what the insurance will allow. Most cars involved in a collision that have paint body work done are sold within 3 years.

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