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post #31 of 55 (permalink) Old Sep 18th, 19, 12:26 AM
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Re: personal pet peeve...

This is what living in California is like. Two people make a deal that they are both happy with. A third party gets involved and doesn't like the deal for whatever reason. Said third party complains to Lawmaker that has nothing to do in Sacramento. Lawmaker has a law passed that makes it illegal to resell a care (within six months of purchase) for more than 10% of what he paid. I just made this up, but it happens all the time here in the Peoples Republic of California. I know, I know, if I don't like it here then move out. It's not that easy to pick up and leave a place that I loved. Don't let them do this to the state that you love. Don't copycat Ca. law or the next thing you know you will be paying 10 cents for a shopping bag and wondering where you can get a soda straw.
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post #32 of 55 (permalink) Old Sep 18th, 19, 2:52 AM Thread Starter
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I don't know guys, I take a bit more of a pragmatic view in this case and others.

1.) Your neighbor is 75 years old and knows what he's doing: He's got years of life experience behind him and should be well versed on how to handle his own finances. Selling an asset to a stranger who has zero credit or relationship with him. Signing over the title without payment? (you didn't state he was paid cash at the second meeting). Allowed himself to be manipulated after an agreed to sell? Car is still not picked up? (Storage fee should be part of the deal and yes, Insurance?)

2.) With all due respect Tony: How do you know all of these insights to the deal? Where you present during the meetings? Why didn't you advise your neighbor regarding his own best interest?

3.) Who gives a flyin' rats keister what the lawful recipient does with his paid-for asset? He's the one with the problem regarding his own integrity, he's the one who has to live with that.


Why is anyone interested in what this guy does with his car, geez , what are we living in China now?
1) sure, the neighbors has years of life experience... BUT even society in general sees that elderly people need protection. Its called "Elder Abuse" in those cases, and despite having that life experience, the elderly often have some cognitive issues, or are easily swayed especially in terms of manipulation... My neighbor is pretty bright, and wasn't forced to sell... He had considered selling for the past few months, as its the only car he needs to pay storage for (its long, and takes up too much room in the garage). He was paying around $120+/month for storage fees...

2) I was there for most of the earlier interaction (agreeing to $8k, discussions about buyers wife, etc), and I was also listening in during the later conversation (I was painting some trim on the front of my house about 50-feet away, and texted my concerns to the neighbor, who read them in real time). Yeah, I would have walked back over if I had really realized what was happening (and I feel a little bad for my neighbor).

3) No one said anything about not being lawful... Just as years ago when a hand shake was good, its no longer the case, now you need signed (and often notarized) documentation, BECAUSE some people will use unscrupulous tactics... Kind of like those people that buy a car, don't title it, and still claim "one owner" solely because they purposely neglected to title it (it you "paid" for it, you were an owner).

Again, its not illegal, but it IS unethical and immoral to lie, whether lying about the car NOT being worth the asking price (while being confident it is worth more)... Same goes for lying, as the "need to sell due to health" is total BS... If the buyer's health was so bad, he never should have bough the car in the first place (he looked healthy, except being EXTREMELY obese)...

If he did something illegal, then I am sure the neighbor would go after him... Its just a pet peeve, because it is something that bugs ME...

I was there for most of the earlier interaction (agreeing to $8k), and I was also listening in during the later conversation, but about 50 feet away (I was painting some trim on the front of my house, and texted my concerns to the neighbor (who read them in real time), as I heard "$6500" mentioned...

The neighbor got the cash Sunday night, and signed over the title. the seller (Delaware license plates and Delaware phone number) said he was sending a truck later in the week to ship the car back east...

Although not "legal", the buyer was mentioning that the car was for his wife, and she would like the "pinkish" color (said while I was there)…

I told the neighbor to move it into the street ASAP... He called the buyer and told him to pick it up now, and it was gone this afternoon...
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the next thing you know you will be paying 10 cents for a shopping bag and wondering where you can get a soda straw.
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Sounds like an extremely bad choice in choosing my user name as I am definitely NOT a flipper. The user name is an offshoot of my first name (Phil). Is there any way to change it???!!!???

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Sounds like an extremely bad choice in choosing my user name as I am definitely NOT a flipper. The user name is an offshoot of my first name (Phil). Is there any way to change it???!!!???
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I recently posted a 78 Chevy motorhome for sale on Craigslist. 400/400, 56K miles. Listed it for 3500. I started getting calls asking for address and with rediculous offers, like 1500 cash now.........to someone with a Michigan phone number and looking at Google maps or something. I told the callers I was not willing to negotiate over the phone, only in person. A few people came by, but didn't buy. That's ok. I posted it on Facebook marketplace and sold it the next day. Before I would have taken 1500, I'd have parted it out. Lowballers!

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Dont you love when they offer less and say "Cash, today"? How else did you think you were going to get it? Your looks!???
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listed it for 3500. I started getting calls asking for address and with rediculous offers, like 1500 cash now...
I like to respond with something like "Cash only... How else should I expect to be paid? Blowjobs?"
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When I sold my Chevelle convertible I had it on Craigslist for $25000, A guy calls from Atlanta (200 miles away) and offers 19000 sight unseen, I told him bottom dollar was $23000, he replies too much cant pay it, he was a dealer. Next day he pulls up to my house with a trailer, I meet him in the driveway and he said he is there to buy, not to kick the tires. I said great, he says he has hundred dollars bills, I say great lets do it. My car was in the garage so he counts out the money on the hood of the car, $19000 dollars. goes to shake my hand, I say whoa I told you $23000. He tells me since he had to drive 200 miles pulling a trailer I should sell it for the 19 that he offered on the phone. I told him to get the hell off my property. I start closing the garage door and he yells out $20000. I close the door the rest of the way and he yells out OK $23000. I yell back his price is now 25. He starts yelling and cussing me, I told him if he isn't gone in 1 minute I was calling the cops to have him removed. He was still swearing at me when he took off.

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The problem is that the guy cant even wait to get it home first. Im sure he told the seller, "Thanks for accepting my offer, but do you mind if I leave it here a few days, while I post it online for twice of what I bought it from you?" And the kicker is the guy saying, selling due to health issues.
Exactly.. This is the problem I have with the deal. At least take the thing home..

I hate people that post the sympathy health card. I could care less if you are on your death bed or not.. It seems like most people that post the "sympathy card" in their ad are usually up to no good. I guess the average person falls for that crap as it tugs at their heart or whatever..
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When I sold my Chevelle convertible I had it on Craigslist for $25000, A guy calls from Atlanta (200 miles away) and offers 19000 sight unseen, I told him bottom dollar was $23000, he replies too much can't pay it, he was a dealer. Next day he pulls up to my house with a trailer, I meet him in the driveway and he said he is there to buy, not to kick the tires. I said great, he says he has hundred dollars bills, I say great lets do it. My car was in the garage so he counts out the money on the hood of the car, $19000 dollars. goes to shake my hand, I say whoa I told you $23000. He tells me since he had to drive 200 miles pulling a trailer I should sell it for the 19 that he offered on the phone. I told him to get the hell off my property. I start closing the garage door and he yells out $20000. I close the door the rest of the way and he yells out OK $23000. I yell back his price is now 25. He starts yelling and cussing me, I told him if he isn't gone in 1 minute I was calling the cops to have him removed. He was still swearing at me when he took off.
And that's exactly how you do it! Either hold your ground, call their bluff or fold and be a chump. In your case Ron, that's exactly what I would have done (except I probably would have taken the 23K, since that was the objective). All it is is haggling. Look at it from his point: if he could have swayed you to accept the 19K he would have made 4,000.00 dollars in a matter of minutes. I love it when the player gets played, what he really did when he fake punted you(acting like he's leaving then throwing out another offer) is "Showed his cards". The difference here and the OP's neighbor is The neighbor rolled and in a matter of seconds, the buyer made hundreds of dollars (He was willing to pay the original agreed to price). As it ends up the seller is at risk storing a vehicle that no longer belongs to him and the buyer takes full advantage of that as well. Always remember, cost is cost, l dealers and no dealer wants to dry run a speculative sale. They show up prepared and that includes money in their pocket.

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Funny stuff!!
I Found running an ad and mentioning health (If anyones legit its me) opens doors to every scumbag on the planet wanting to take advantage of it.
So far underwater wouldnt matter what I was offered...which is all the more reason to keep and enjoy even if the tags are expired.

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I had the same thing happen back in '04. My buddy comes over to BS and brought his friend with him. He asked what I wanted for my BBC 68 Firebird, I told him maybe 10K and that was the end of it. Next day the my car is on craigslist for 22K and I did get the ad taken down then a few hours later this clown shows up with 10K to get that car, I told him to f-off and get lost along with his ad. He turned into a real dick after that so I call the cops on him, he got a nice escort off my property and my buddy got a good ass chewing. Even when I sell parts these guys want stuff for nothing so they can flip it, when they do that I tell them we have a deal the at the last moment contact them and say "sorry just sold it" and they get mad, too bad flippers.
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1) sure, the neighbors has years of life experience... BUT even society in general sees that elderly people need protection. Its called "Elder Abuse" in those cases, and despite having that life experience, the elderly often have some cognitive issues, or are easily swayed especially in terms of manipulation... My neighbor is pretty bright, and wasn't forced to sell... He had considered selling for the past few months, as its the only car he needs to pay storage for (its long, and takes up too much room in the garage). He was paying around $120+/month for storage fees...

2) I was there for most of the earlier interaction (agreeing to $8k, discussions about buyers wife, etc), and I was also listening in during the later conversation (I was painting some trim on the front of my house about 50-feet away, and texted my concerns to the neighbor, who read them in real time). Yeah, I would have walked back over if I had really realized what was happening (and I feel a little bad for my neighbor).

3) No one said anything about not being lawful... Just as years ago when a hand shake was good, its no longer the case, now you need signed (and often notarized) documentation, BECAUSE some people will use unscrupulous tactics... Kind of like those people that buy a car, don't title it, and still claim "one owner" solely because they purposely neglected to title it (it you "paid" for it, you were an owner).

Again, its not illegal, but it IS unethical and immoral to lie, whether lying about the car NOT being worth the asking price (while being confident it is worth more)... Same goes for lying, as the "need to sell due to health" is total BS... If the buyer's health was so bad, he never should have bough the car in the first place (he looked healthy, except being EXTREMELY obese)...

If he did something illegal, then I am sure the neighbor would go after him... Its just a pet peeve, because it is something that bugs ME...

I was there for most of the earlier interaction (agreeing to $8k), and I was also listening in during the later conversation, but about 50 feet away (I was painting some trim on the front of my house, and texted my concerns to the neighbor (who read them in real time), as I heard "$6500" mentioned...

The neighbor got the cash Sunday night, and signed over the title. the seller (Delaware license plates and Delaware phone number) said he was sending a truck later in the week to ship the car back east...

Although not "legal", the buyer was mentioning that the car was for his wife, and she would like the "pinkish" color (said while I was there)…

I told the neighbor to move it into the street ASAP... He called the buyer and told him to pick it up now, and it was gone this afternoon...
Your neighbor should have told the guy when he came over with the cash that you wanted to buy the car and was offering 13K, bet that would have been a surprise. Remember there is no deal until the title is signed over.
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I have gotten so many offers for my Chevelle over the years, you would not believe it.... But the Latest has been my 92 Camaro RS. I had the Terminix guy come from doing the house across the street to the my front door, and ask if it was for sale....I told him $5500 and its yours...he just laughed and I shut the door. The Mail Man asked, and I told him the same, but I also threw in a bit of humor..... I told him it was for sale for $5500, but not to anybody that I knew personally...He asked why, I told him its a Third Gen Camaro... Its almost 30 yrs old.... Its going to have problems.... I don't want to have to pick up my mail at the PO.....He waves every time I see him.

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