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1.5 Million Bad Dual Clutch Transmissions

Ford knew they were bad before building the cars but went ahead and built and sold them. Now the Feds are going after them.


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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 26th, 19, 11:16 AM
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Some ones gonna have some explaining to do.
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There have been some good articles about this recently. One weird factor is that the transmission is built by a German firm, Getrag, and Ford is not allowed to get all the technical info on it that they would like in order to contribute to solutions to the problems. Industrial secrets and all that, I suppose.
Here is a bit more from the Detroit Free Press.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/1119773001/
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Heres the issue with buying something from overseas.

They have a interest in our market.

They are essentially an enemy.

With what happened to Volkswagen buyback...Ford ought to be pressed to do the same thing.

Dumb move ford.
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I work as a service advisor in a Ford dealership, and these things are almost impossible to fix correctly. I had one come back today for the 3rd time in 6 months with the same problem.

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There have been some good articles about this recently. One weird factor is that the transmission is built by a German firm, Getrag, and Ford is not allowed to get all the technical info on it that they would like in order to contribute to solutions to the problems. Industrial secrets and all that, I suppose.
Here is a bit more from the Detroit Free Press.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/1119773001/
Now I wonder if the same company is making the Corvette Dual Clutch Transmission.

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Now I wonder if the same company is making the Corvette Dual Clutch Transmission.
Tremec is making the C8 transmission.
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post #8 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 27th, 19, 10:55 AM
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My brother in Hawaii has one of these Fords.



It looks like the Corvette transmission is made by Tremec, which produces transmissions in Mexico and Belgium.

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My brother in Hawaii has one of these Fords.

It looks like the Corvette transmission is made by Tremec, which produces transmissions in Mexico and Belgium.
I hope they are better than the ones built for Ford.

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After watching the video it becomes clear that this is what Ford does to customers buying their low dollar econo-boxes.
Not sure what their margins are (Were) on these but having to "fix" them over and over has to wipe out any profit.
There is an old saying that the intelligence of any group can be determined by dividing normal IQ by the number of members.
Modern corporations have so many decision makers they are functionally brain-dead.
Ford and all the others need to get rid of their "Focus Groups", "Panels", Etc. and go back to having a strong vision guided by a handful of top brass.
Ol' Henry did not consult a marketing team before deciding T's came only in black!

At these gas prices I want it 100+ octane, leaded, and my windshield washed!
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After watching the video it becomes clear that this is what Ford does to customers buying their low dollar econo-boxes.
Not sure what their margins are (Were) on these but having to "fix" them over and over has to wipe out any profit.
There is an old saying that the intelligence of any group can be determined by dividing normal IQ by the number of members.
Modern corporations have so many decision makers they are functionally brain-dead.
Ford and all the others need to get rid of their "Focus Groups", "Panels", Etc. and go back to having a strong vision guided by a handful of top brass.
Ol' Henry did not consult a marketing team before deciding T's came only in black!
Ha! I've been saying the same thing forfrigginever! Seems any production or design body is a "team" anymore and gives everyone a chance to sit, drink coffee and pass on cognitive advancement. Brings stupidity and cost to an all-time high.
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After watching the video it becomes clear that this is what Ford does to customers buying their low dollar econo-boxes.
Not sure what their margins are (Were) on these but having to "fix" them over and over has to wipe out any profit.
There is an old saying that the intelligence of any group can be determined by dividing normal IQ by the number of members.
Modern corporations have so many decision makers they are functionally brain-dead.
Ford and all the others need to get rid of their "Focus Groups", "Panels", Etc. and go back to having a strong vision guided by a handful of top brass.
Ol' Henry did not consult a marketing team before deciding T's came only in black!

Ol' Henry made his share of screw-ups too. He was the one who initially decided to use Florida Spanish moss as stuffing for the seats in his Model T. The moss was full of biting insects, Henry had to rethink his cushion decision.

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post #13 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 27th, 19, 3:41 PM
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[/B] Ol' Henry made his share of screw-ups too. He was the one who initially decided to use Florida Spanish moss as stuffing for the seats in his Model T. The moss was full of biting insects, Henry had to rethink his cushion decision.
New factoid to me, and his son decided that maybe more colors would not be a bad idea after-all, and sales increased.
But most of the truly classic car designs had a single individual or leader of a small group behind them.
GTO, Cobra, early Jaguars, Ferrari, Duisenberg........

The new "Corporate" crap just makes everyone faceless, no one shines and no one is accountable for this sort of stupidity.

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The only companies that should be run by lawyers and accountants... are law firms and accounting agencies.
When engineering took a back seat to these barnacles build quality and longevity had to plummet.
So Ford outsourced transmissions for budget cars without due diligence, no doubt saving money, and taxpayers
will get saddled with the bill because Ford will be labelled "too big to fail." It is nice to think this would teach
car makers to stop pinching pennies by outsourcing, but corporate greed mandates "globalization"
no matter the consequences, particularly to American workers, presumably Ford's customers.
I will never buy a new car.
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When companies outsource product design and manufacturing they need to keep a close watch on them. Keep on them as if they were your own employees. This is not about micro-managing, but about knowing what they are up to and are they meeting the company's goals and specifications? I have worked with consultants in product design and found that keeping in touch with them frequently makes sure that both are on the same page.
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