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post #31 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 9th, 19, 4:49 PM
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

You shouldn't really bond tile to plywood directly with thinset as the plywood tends to suck the moisture out of the thinset weakening it. Although I know its done all the time.

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post #32 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 9th, 19, 5:09 PM
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

That's why I always wash down the floor before I start laying the tile. Fine dust can also cause a weak bond so the washing takes care of that. In the past I've done repair jobs and when I've pulled the tile up I've found sawdust between the trowel teeth marks. I just laugh and think whoever put this down didn't give a flying you know what.
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post #33 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 9th, 19, 6:14 PM
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Old tile joke here.

What does a man and a tile floor have in common?





Lay it right the first time and you can walk on it forever.
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post #34 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 9th, 19, 10:05 PM
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Timely thread, Von, I am in the middle of doing a bathroom reno myself and these tips are handy! My thanks to all who offered advice.


May I butt in while the experts are already here? Hope you don't mind the hijack.


I am doing a basement bathroom reno, 42sq.ft concrete floor, circa 1956. The vinyl flooring was not glued in place and came up loose - easily. Besides a wash, any tips on prepping the floor for tile?

I saw the advice on doubling the wax ring. I had planned to use the extended thickness single ring (~50% thicker) that home depot sells - is this a poor choice? I do have an old spare single ring I can add to the one that came with the new toilet but I doubt it has a collar.

I am considering adding a heated floor since there is already 240V handy from an old baseboard heater in the room. What are to do's and don't of a heated floor as this is new to me. If it matters, minimizing floor thickness to maximize headroom is desired. TIA

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post #35 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 15th, 19, 3:36 PM Thread Starter
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If you can afford the extra height I would go with Brad's Hardibacker suggestion, the only thing I would do different is that I would screw it down every 6-8 inches with flooring or deck screws, drywall screws are a no no because the have a weak shank and the heads tend to pop off under stress.
Bought 12 x 12 porcelain tiles today. Turns out the existing sheet vinyl has 1/4" plywood underlayment over the OSB. I'm going to remove the 1/4" plywood and screw down 1/4" Hardie backer, then thinset and tiles.
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post #36 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 15th, 19, 9:28 PM
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Ron,
On your concrete floor.as.long as it doesnt have.a concrete.sealer.on it you are.good. If it has any cracks in the concrete that should be treated with a crack supression membrane.
With the double rings what one is trying to accomplish is to get the wax built up high enough that the toilet will compress the wax and seal the bottom of the toilet. The reason the one stacked on top needs a collar is you don't want to take a chance on two rings without collars compressing and sealing off the discharge hole. It is kind of a judgement call on how high one stacks them. I have always done just as I said. The 1st one down is a regular ring and one stacked on top has the plastic collar.protruding from the bottom and intob t he regular ring on bottom preventing the bottom ring from compressing into the discharge hole.
The wax rings at the big box store are pretty inexpensive. Less than $5.00 each.
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Red Guard any cracks in the concrete floor.
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

The existing 1/4" plywood backer is being so much fun to remove in the tight quarters. Orig builder put a layer of tar paper on the OSB sub floor, then the plywood and fastened it with a million staples. Then vinyl sheet floor covering glued down. Prying that crap up was a time consuming pain in the rear. Then pulling up the million staples. Almost ready for Hardie backer now. Is it really necessary to put thinset under the backer in addition to the screws? Hate to add anymore thickness than I have to.

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Von,
The purpose of the thinset underneath the Hardibacker is to absorb the forces of expansion. and contraction. It won't add very much to the height. I have fastened it in the past without a coat of thinset underneath without any ill effects. You are running this job so your call.
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If it's installed properly cracks won't be an issue. You can install dinner plates on the floor and if done right you wouldn't get a crack in 20 years of hard use. . I installed tile for a living for over 30 years (retired) and my vote would be for porcelain because it's a much harder and denser product.
Red, Are you interested in doing some work in Oklahoma? I have some tile work I need done.

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Sorry Verle, no passport and a past stroke prevents me from doing tile anymore.

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The guy that did my tile put down Durarock with screws lots of them & taped the joints & went over them with thinset.
Been good for 6 years, no cracks.
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Sorry Verle, no passport and a past stroke prevents me from doing tile anymore.
Sorry to hear that. Hope you are improving.

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Sorry to hear that. Hope you are improving.
Doing OK here but my days of doing 8000 sq ft monster houses are over (that's what I was working on when I had it). I will take on the odd small job for some of my past prefered customers. The big jobs just hurt my brain to much, plus my left side is limited and I'm a south paw. I don't know if I could relearn my trade again right handed. The big plus though is I'm just as crappy of a golfer as I was before the stroke. It didn't affect that at all. I had hopes of maybe being better. LOL I hope you find someone that knows what they're doing Verle, I know a lot of times it's a crap shoot out there.

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The guy that did my tile put down Durarock with screws lots of them & taped the joints & went over them with thinset.
Been good for 6 years, no cracks.
I think I'll be ok with just screws holding down the backer board. Only a 38 sf floor area bathroom incl 2' x 2' closet.

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