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post #16 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 8th, 19, 7:08 PM
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

I don't know if you SHOULD install on OSB, but if you do, at least put down Ditra first.

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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Tile mortared to OSB won't stick so I don't think Ditra will either. Ditra is meant to be mortared to the substrate.

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Tile mortared to OSB won't stick so I don't think Ditra will either. <img src="https://www.chevelles.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> Ditra is meant to be mortared to the substrate.
What’s on the subfloor now anything?

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It's a small bathroom, 40 sf, and not heavily used. Base floor is OSB. Will it work to install tile directly on that?
You have to put down a hardibacker or ditra (Schluter/Kerdi) product. You will have your grout cracking and tile cracking all the time if you donít put down a substrate. I might be in AZ but we do have two stories and I am a GC, if you have any other questions feel free to message me.
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

As long as you have enough structural stability to the floor the easiest thing to do would be to put down 1/4 inch Hardibacker. My go to is thinset under the Hardibacker and then nail it down 6 inches on center with roofing nails. Every 3 inches around perimeter. Tape the seams.
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Whatís on the subfloor now anything?
Sheet vinyl is on it now, original to the house.

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Von is this something you are going to install yourself?
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

If you can afford the extra height I would go with Brad's Hardibacker suggestion, the only thing I would do different is that I would screw it down every 6-8 inches with flooring or deck screws, drywall screws are a no no because the have a weak shank and the heads tend to pop off under stress.
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If you can afford the extra height I would go with Brad's Hardibacker suggestion, the only thing I would do different is that I would screw it down every 6-8 inches with flooring or deck screws, drywall screws are a no no because the have a weak shank and the heads tend to pop off under stress.
They do sell green screws to screw the hardi backer down with that will cut right through. Other screws it is a pita because of the density of the board.


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If you can afford the extra height I would go with Brad's Hardibacker suggestion, the only thing I would do different is that I would screw it down every 6-8 inches with flooring or deck screws, drywall screws are a no no because the have a weak shank and the heads tend to pop off under stress.
Can't really afford the extra height so will use Ditra.

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post #26 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 9th, 19, 8:51 AM
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Ditra is also about 1/4 inch thick so there's nothing to gain there. You may have to tear out your lino and OSB and re-subfloor it to keep the right height. To be honest I'm old school and have a distrust for all these new fangled products like Ditra and another product by the same company (Schluter) Kerdi Kurb, which is a styrofoam curb used to form the outside walls of a shower pan. Ditra is basicly plastic so I wonder how well it will stand up over the years, and tiling over styrofoam in my mind is a job failure waiting to happen. Von, if I were you and wanted to do it once RIGHT, tear out that OSB and lino and put down some hardibacker or some cement board, tile it, and never have to worry about it again.
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

20 years ago we used expensive Porcelain tile when we did out house. I wish we would of used linoleum. Tile is a pain in the ass, its cold, your stuck with the look, it comes loose, don't drop anything that brakes on it and its expensive!!

I also wished we would of used Formica or Corian counter tops instead of granite.
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Von, If you are installing yourself I have some random tips for installation.
If using the Hardibacker, the best way to cut it is with a circular saw with a masonry blade. But the cutting should be done outdoors.
When mixing the thinset the easiest way is to use a heavy duty drill and a mixing wand.
If you have any door jambs or door casing involved it is easiest to undercut those and slide the tile underneath.
To help with the added height of the finished floor at the toilet flange use two wax rings. A regular ring ring first then one with a collar stacked on top of the first.
I have always found the little spacers ( to set gap from tile to tile) seem to cause trouble. I prefer to snap chalk lines on the floor in a predetermined grid and set the tile according to those lines. This method takes some planning but is much easier to install tile to and assures that you won't run out of square.
When setting tile keep a wet sponge nearby and damper the concrete board just prior to spreading the thinset. This keeps the concrete board from suckling the moisture out of the thinset and allows proper curing.
Don't spread more thinset than you can cover within a few minutes. Otherwise it skins over and you won't get good transfer to the tile.
It is easier to clean up any thinset that may ooze up through joints or anywhere else while it is still wet.
I'm sure I could think of more but that is e ought for now. Maybe 55 Redneck has some.
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Good tips Brad, the only one I will add is when you're dropping the tiles into the mud I always put the edges tight to the two tiles that are already down with desired spacing then drop your tile and feel if it's higher or lower than the tile beside it, if all feels good pull it away to the desired grout spacing. This helps from keeping mud squishing up in the line between the tiles (less cleanup). I hope this makes sense, It's kinda hard to explain.
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post #30 of 48 (permalink) Old Jan 9th, 19, 2:37 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Porcelain or Ceramic Tile

Thanks everyone for the tips. Now it boils down to tile selection and the boss and I can't seem to agree on a color. It could take a while.
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