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Old Jul 24th, 05, 10:39 PM
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Default 17" Plain Steel Wheels (Poverty caps)

Hello gang,

I've been reading post here for a while. This forum helped me set up my buddy's 69 Chevelle convertible with wheels and tires.

I have a 68 GTO convertible I'm almost finished with. I'll be getting wheels by fall. I've seen one GTO with 17" x 8" with plain steel wheels with poverty caps. http://forums.performanceyears.com/e...11/m/598109017

I've contacted Stockton wheel who built these. They will not build another set. I've also contacted 3-4 other wheelsmiths. No one builds these. Do you know of any sources for these? Sorry for asking here, but this forum is way more active than any Pontiac forum.

If not where can I find 15" x 8" plain steel wheels in the junk yard? I've heard on Caprice police cars and cabs. Is this right? I really love the look of poverty caps. I need to finish the goat so I can get on to my next project (68 El Camino SS). Hopefully I can start that by next spring.

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Old Jul 26th, 05, 12:35 PM
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I've seen one GTO with 17" x 8" with plain steel wheels with poverty caps.
Actually, that was a 64 Tempest, not a GTO

Thats a pretty cool idea... I wonder how it looks in person...

They put the "redline" on the rim, but since the rim and tire are both black, it looks like a stock redline...

Any reason WHY Stockton Wheel won't make these?

Wheel vintiques out of Fresno maybe?
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Old Jul 26th, 05, 3:21 PM
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Have you tried -
Wheelsmith
(714) 556-3861
2025 S Susan St
Santa Ana, CA 92704

They built a set of chrome reverse 15" wheels for my dad's 1959 pickup one time for use ... custom 6 lugs with our backspacing. They did a phenominal job and the price was only around $90 a wheel after shipping. Also, a few years after they did them one's chrome started to peal (just a little), they paid to have it shipped back and rechromed it for us. Good guy to deal with!
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Old Jul 26th, 05, 3:34 PM
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Gus,
Go check out these guys:
http://www.stocktonwheel.com/

They list the 17"x8" Rally wheels on their website and say that they will do Mopar Rally or steel wheels up to 17x10.
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Old Jul 26th, 05, 10:55 PM
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I'm not sure why Stockton wheel won't make another set. I think it is because the wheel would need a big step to fit the GM center, and nobody rolls a hoop that would fit. They have truck wheel exactly like I want, but it does not come with the small GM Bolt circle. B-man said the wheels took a long time and he had to pay up front. When I asked Stockton how they did his wheel, I got a smart a$$ comment like "he offered to be my wife". They REALLY don't seem like they want to do another set I will contact them one more time via e-mail. Perhaps they will explain a little better why they won't do it.

I did call Wheelsmith. He does make steel wheels 17x8 for $90 and 17x10 for $130 for the wheels which will be size perfect for me, but they don't look like GM wheels. They will not fit my GM center cap without making a bracket, and they are smooth where the wheel meets the hoop. There are no reliefs (holes) where the hoop meets the center as plain steel GM wheels have. It may be close enough (with the Pontiac center cap). It is going to be black so maybe it won't be too obvious. I hate to lay out $500 for something that isn't exactly what I want. Let me know if you have any other thoughts.
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Old Jul 30th, 05, 1:03 PM
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i don't think GM ever made a plain steel 15X8 wheel with the 5X4.75 bolt pattern.
the cop cars came with 15X7 wheels, but they had the 5X5 bolt pattern that also fits half ton trucks.
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Old Sep 5th, 05, 6:21 PM
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I tried to go the same route with Stockton, but it was a no-go. Fortunately, Wheel Vintiques just started making these (I think I may have gotten their first set). Here's a link to what they look like. The ones on my 66 are 17x8 w/4.5" bs front and 17x9 w/5.5" bs rear. I think they look pretty good for the sleeper look. Check out the pic. There are a couple more in my showroom.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/sh...o/3100/cat/503

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Old Sep 5th, 05, 11:12 PM
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Thanks for the pictures Tom,

That looks like the route I'll have to take. I think the Stockton wheels look better, but at least the WV come in wider sizes. Do your caps snap onto the wheel center, or is there some type of adapter? How much do the wheels cost?

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Old Sep 5th, 05, 11:43 PM
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TW,
Those wheels look great on your 66. Those might be what I need for another car I have on the back burner. What did those set you back?

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Old Sep 6th, 05, 8:51 AM
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Gus/Nik, The wheels are designed to use the stock center cap. No adaptor is needed. The wheels really look better in person. The car sits really nice. The wheels were not Cheap! I believe they were about $185 each with the powder coated primer (bare is $12 cheaper). I think these wheels are going to look great painted body color (Danube blue). Just a note, these are not light either! I didn't weigh them, but they weigh quite a bit more than the aluminum ones I took off. Doesn't matter to me though. I was looking for the "sleeper look" and these fit the bill. If I get a chance to take a full side shot of the car I'll post it.

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Old Sep 6th, 05, 1:42 PM
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I called WV (their web site is pretty but is hard to get around). They are plenty proud of those wheels. 17"x8" cost $220 and 17"x9" cost $230 both of them in black powder coat. Summit may be cheaper, but they need to call WV for a price. They are new enough, that VW does not yet have part numbers for them.

I will be getting a set regardless. At this point, my car won't be in color until spring. If they were around $100 (as smoothies are), I'd order them now, but at close to $1000 for the set, I'll wait until my car is painted. I know my wife will be plenty mad when she finds out I'm putting $1500+ into a set of "ugly" wheels

Here is a new link for the Stockton Wheels. The old one quit when the Pontiac board migrated to a new bbs.
http://216.178.81.108/forums/showthread.php?t=398076

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Old Sep 6th, 05, 2:48 PM
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So no news from Stockton on why they won't do them? Seems odd, if they did them before, then I'd think they'd at least give you a price, even if it was high...

Tom, will those WV fit disc brakes?
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Old Sep 7th, 05, 12:37 PM
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Tony, My guess is that they either lost their shirt in the deal, or it was a royal pain.

Gus, What do the 68 pontiac poverty caps look like?

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Old Sep 7th, 05, 1:22 PM
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They are the same for '64 to '68, so they will look just like B-man's in the pictures above. There are two versions. I believe one just says "Pontiac". The other says "Pontiac Motor Division". I like the PMD caps a little better. I'd also like to do black wheels with a red 3/8"ish pin stipe like his wheels have. My car will be Springmist Green (Silver with green cast) and black convertible top again after the repaint.

Poverty caps seem to be making a come back. In previous years, I'd only seen one or two cars with 'em at the major GTO shows. This year in St Louis there were three or four cars with them including 68's and 69's. Of corse, it could just be a north vs. south deal. I really just love they way they look. They are simple and plain just like my car and most of the original musle cars were new. Mix the look with some modern 17" rubber and I'm happy. I will say that most people I show don't get it, but I don't mind. I like being a little different.

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Old Sep 8th, 05, 8:49 AM
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Gus, I hear you on being different. I have been pursuing this 17" with poverty caps for months. I have not seen anyone at any of our cruise nights with them. I see the stock wheels with them but no 17's. For some reason I can't access the picture through the link you posted. Good Luck.

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