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Old Dec 16th, 13, 11:21 AM
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850HP Diesel vs 18HP Steam

Here's the vebiage that goes with it: What "torque and traction" really means here. The reason the steam tractor wins has nothing to do with old technology beating new. It does have to do with what each tractor was designed for in its time and within its constraints. The steam tractor wins for three basic reasons : 1) The diesel has great torque but the steam tractor has much more (torque is a function of many things, but steam has it in spades); 2) Steam produces a continuous thrust pretty much throughout its stroke whereas the diesel (as amazing as it is) does so in spurts (many peaks and valleys); and 3) The steam train is much heavier giving it more tire friction (and resulting tangential force potential; push) despite the better tread on the diesel. The diesel never had chance. Great show! Never assume. But, don't trade in your law mower


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Old Dec 16th, 13, 12:47 PM
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That is an awesome video! I couldn't believe it
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 1:04 PM
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The angle of the strap puts the tractor at a serious disadvantage as well.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 3:13 PM
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This is simply traction winning over no traction. As mentioned above, the angle of the strap is lifting the rear end of the newer traction reducing its traction even more. Those old steam engines DID make brutal torque.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 3:36 PM
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I wanna see 60 ft times.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 5:51 PM
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Keep in mind, that is as fast as the old steamer will go.

I doubt it would make much difference how they were hooked up, the old steamer would still pull the diesel back. It is simply a lesson in applied power, or torque.

Some of the larger steamers of the 20 's and 30's pulled plows with as many as 60 rungs on a 80 ft spread. But it also has a whole company of support personnel keeping the beast fed with water and fuel.

And working around the old steamers was also a tad hazardous. Boiler explosions were not that uncommon.

But the video is really neat. It kinda makes you wonder what one of the really big steamers could do with that sled that the tractor pullers use in competition.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 7:00 PM
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Also, the steamer must weigh WAY more than the diesel.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 8:24 PM
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And working around the old steamers was also a tad hazardous. Boiler explosions were not that uncommon..
You mean like this?

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Old Dec 16th, 13, 8:35 PM
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Those old steamers are pretty good. I used to attend the Stephenson County antique tractor show near Rockford Il years ago. They always put on a good show.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 9:07 PM
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I'm a tech with a John Deere dealer for 23 years , and I saw a great weight disadvantage with the Deere from the get go , even though the J. Deere is definitely modified it wouldn't get any traction without more weight . The steam engine could hold the Deere still all day spinning wheels by just holding his brakes . It looked like also at the end of the footage the Deere lost the front wheel drive , even if it was working it would not have helped.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 9:08 PM
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steam makes serious torque.stanley steamer set the land speed record in 1907 at 150 mph.big steam pass trains in the north east were running 120 mph in the 20's.a little nuclear reactor and a tank full of water in the bed you could have a fast truck
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 9:35 PM
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steam makes serious torque.stanley steamer set the land speed record in 1907 at 150 mph.big steam pass trains in the north east were running 120 mph in the 20's.a little nuclear reactor and a tank full of water in the bed you could have a fast truck


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Old Dec 16th, 13, 10:06 PM
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Default Re: Diesel vs Steam Tractors

I think there are alot of factors at play here the angle of connection that Derek mentioned is a big one. Looks like the engine in that Tractor is a Cat C32 which would have somewhere in the neighborhood of 4500+ lb ft of torque in the 1500 hp variety. Any tuning beyond that would just add to that figure of course. That said its very possible the steam engine may have more effective torque but that C32 is no slouch.
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Old Dec 16th, 13, 10:29 PM
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Needs more weight to plant tires , that steam engine tractor could just set the brakes and that Deere, even with that engine, would spin its tires all day .
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Old Dec 17th, 13, 12:15 AM
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I don't believe that's a C 32 in there,those are a V-12.If you could get it to fit in the chassis it would rip the gears out.Looks to be a Cat 3208 V-8,which is a popular retrofit in farm tractors.Juiced up,you can get 3-400 hp out of them.
Also,most steam traction engines don't have brakes or parking brakes.As a rule you don't stop them on a grade.A good operator on a grade,holds it with the throttle.A big block of wood is your parking brake.A fellow that used to work for me owned a Big Baker 23-90 Steam tractor,we used to haul it to shows on my low boy,had to chained and blocked well to keep from rocking and rolling.Only problem was dropping live cinders on my trailer floor during transit,and being careful to not set my trailer on fire!
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