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Old Nov 6th, 10, 6:17 AM
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This is just a quick tip for those enthusiasts who drive their classic hi-perf muscle cars on the street, taching on a considerable amount of street mileage on them, and who wish to use a PCV valve with a Holley carb which did NOT come equipped with a pressed-in vacuum port for the PCV hose. This is not to imply that the use of a PCV valve is mandatory on street cars, nor that this addition of a PCV vacuum port on the base of your carb is a "Must have" item. It's simply a matter of preference, and this quick tip is simply for those who choose to use a PCV valve. This isn't something that would usually apply to trailered drag cars which mostly get driven only 1320 feet at a time.

Some of the Holley 4150 carburetors, and just about all of the Holley 4500 (Dominator) carbs do not come equipped with the typical pressed-in vacuum port for hooking a PCV valve hose to, as some Holley and other brands of carbs do. This is no great surprise since these carbs are mostly intended for race applications. But with more and more guys driving big horsepower cars on the street, and using big displacement engines for the same, we see and hear of more and more street driven cars with big double pumper and even Dominator Holley carbs under the hoods, than we ever saw in the past.

For those Holleys that do not come equipped with an existing vacuum port, here's a fairly easy and simple modification and installation of a threaded vacuum port that can be used for a PCV hose. The following modification is easiest on Holley 4150 and 4500 carbs which have a boss with a round recess located on the base of the carb (usually on the primary side). Look at the first two pictures below....

what's more IMPORTANT is what's on the other side of that boss. This is a Holley carb which has one wall of the base, which includes this raised boss, along with a double wall. There's an inner wall located in this area, and the other side of the base, has a straight wall, without a boss, and without that second inner wall inside.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This modification is for the Holley 4150, & 4500 carbs which have this double wall on atleast one of the sides of the base (either the front side, or the rear side). I cannot garantee nor vouch for your results if you perform this modification on Holley carbs which do not have this baflled double wall like the two pictures below clearly show....(it's the side that's in the top of both the pictures here).





In the picture above^ you'll notice the double wall on one side of the carburetor base (in the top of the picture). That is what you need to look for on your Holley carb, and it's at that location that you want to drill the hole needed for the vacuum port for your PCV hose. This recessed hole actc like a pilot hole for your drill bit while drilling the hole.

Below is another view of this (shown with the threaded vacuum port already installed)...



I performed this minor and simple modification on two Holley carbs, and this is one of them. Both had the double wall baffled area on the primary side.


You'll need to use an 11/32" drill bit to drill the hole, and a 1/8"-27 PIPE THREAD tap. DO NOT use a standard thread tap that isn't for pipe threads. The threaded port used for this modification has pipe threads which are tapered, and require a tapered thread. If your Holley carburetor has a raised boss on the base like seen in these pictures, it will measure close to a 1/2" in wall thickness at that point. If it doesn't have a raised boss, it still might have the double wall with the baffle inside, so you'll need to remove the carburetor from the intake manifold and take a look uderneath. ( On the base wall without a raised boss, the wall thickness will be about 3/8") (.375").



When drilling the hole for your threaded vacuum port, you need to be careful not to hit that back wall. So I measured out .500" on the end of the drill bit (not including the point) and made a mark with a marker on the bit, and then wrapped some duct tape around the drill bit right at that mark. That serves as a depth indicator, so you know where to stop. You'll obviously feel the drill bit bust through the first wall, but you want to clearly see when you're getting close, so that you're not leaning too hard on the drill motor when the bit is ready to break through the first wall. The base of the carburetor is only aluminum, so drilling is a breeze and it won't take long for your drill bit to bust through the outter wall. I suggest using oil on the drill bit so that it won't bind up in the hole when you break through the outter wall.

Next, you'll want to vacuum out all of the metal chips, and start threading the hole with your tap. I used a Tap handle since it makes it a whole lot easier to start the tap straight in the hole.

IMPORTANT: since this is a PIPE thread tap you're using, you cannot just run the tap through the hole as far as it will go. Doing so will open up the hole too much, and you will NOT be able to tighten up your threaded port. So only go as far as you need to go with the tap. No more. The deeper that you go into the hole with a pipe thread tap, the more it opens up the threads, and the looser the threaded port fitting will be. So measure a half inch (no more) on the end of the tap and mark it with a line and do not go past this mark with the tap into the hole. While tapping the hole, stop BEFORE the line you've made on the tap gets buried in the hole.




Here below is a picture of the finished result.The fitting was nice and snug. I used ARP thread sealant to make sure there won't be any air leaks although it might not even be needed... And you don't need to go cranking down real hard on the threaded port. Since the carburetor base is aluminum, you'll strip the hole out if you put to much muscle into tightening the fitting...(be sure to vacuum out the carb!)....



The threaded vacuum port is a 3/8" size, and is made by Performance Stainless Steel. It's part#1044 and you can purchase it directly from their website www.performancesst.com or do what I did, and go to

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRS-1044/


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...just thought I'd add a couple "before" pics of the carburetor base before it was drilled (I just found these, so here ya go)...





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I'd like to see this moved out of here and re-posted somewhere the general population can see it.

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Since the carburetor base is aluminum, you'll strip the hole out if you put to much muscle into tightening the fitting.
1. The threads will survive just fine...up to the point that the casting cracks.

2. If you drill the hole 3/8, you can then press a short piece of fuel/brake tubing into the casting using red or blue Loctite as a sealer. No need for tapping threads, no need to buy a machined vacuum fitting. Any ~1.5" scrap of tubing will work; and if you assemble the tubing into a double-flaring tool, but use only moderate force, so you don't form the full bulge--the partial bulge works great as a bead to retain the hose.
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If this was moved by the request of another member, then why not place it as a sticky thread so it will remain as visible as it was in the former forum that it was in? Did someone have a problem with the info contained? If so, then why not write to the author about it?(me)
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If this was moved by the request of another member, then why not place it as a sticky thread so it will remain as visible as it was in the former forum that it was in? Did someone have a problem with the info contained? If so, then why not write to the author about it?(me)
The other forum it was in, is NOT visible to most members. Took "special permission" to see that section of the chevelles.com forums.

NOW it's visible to the general public.

I agree that it should be a "sticky".
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If this was moved by the request of another member, then why not place it as a sticky thread so it will remain as visible as it was in the former forum that it was in? Did someone have a problem with the info contained? If so, then why not write to the author about it?(me)
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The other forum it was in, is NOT visible to most members. Took "special permission" to see that section of the chevelles.com forums.

NOW it's visible to the general public.

I agree that it should be a "sticky".
The section that it was in was started by TheDon (may he R.I.P.) but he passed away before it got finished so that stagnate section (which evidently some people can't see) is going to be deleted and the good stuff is being saved to a public forum.
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Default Re: Adding a PCV vacuum port to Holley carbs

This may be a silly question, but could you put a second port to the right of that one off of the raised section? This would access the same area of the carb. Just wondering if this would be better than running a T connector for another vacuum connection (trans or vac guage)
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This may be a silly question, but could you put a second port to the right of that one off of the raised section? This would access the same area of the carb. Just wondering if this would be better than running a T connector for another vacuum connection (trans or vac guage)
JMO here, but personally, I'd rather run the T-connector instead of drilling two holes in that area. The "T" should work fine.

Either that, or consider drilling a hole in your intake manifold for the second vacuum line.
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I'd like to see this moved out of here and re-posted somewhere the general population can see it.

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1. The threads will survive just fine...up to the point that the casting cracks.

2. If you drill the hole 3/8, you can then press a short piece of fuel/brake tubing into the casting using red or blue Loctite as a sealer. No need for tapping threads, no need to buy a machined vacuum fitting. Any ~1.5" scrap of tubing will work; and if you assemble the tubing into a double-flaring tool, but use only moderate force, so you don't form the full bulge--the partial bulge works great as a bead to retain the hose.
It occurs to me that the tubing pressed in and sealed with Loctite wouldn't survive too many hose removals given how hard it is to remove a 3/8" PCV hose from the bulged end of a pcv. Especially after the hose gets a bit heat hardened. I vote for the threaded method, if carefully installed, as a longer lasting method.

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One other thing, if you need to buy a tap, don't buy one of the commonly available tapered taps like the one pictured above. Straight threaded pipe taps (NPS, not NPT) are used in manufacturing that allow tapered pipe fittings to wedge into the threaded holes and seal without the need for excess sealer, plus when a tapered tap is run too deep into the tapped material, you increase the chance of running out of threads before the fitting tightens up.
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One other thing, if you need to buy a tap, don't buy one of the commonly available tapered taps like the one pictured above. Straight threaded pipe taps (NPS, not NPT) are used in manufacturing that allow tapered pipe fittings to wedge into the threaded holes and seal without the need for excess sealer, plus when a tapered tap is run too deep into the tapped material, you increase the chance of running out of threads before the fitting tightens up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that if you're going to be installing a pipe fitting which has a tapered thread, into a hole that you've used a NON-tapered NPS tap to cut the threads in, then the entire length of the threads of the tapped hole will NOT be engaged by the tapered pipe fitting, since the fitting has a tapered thread, but your tapped hole will NOT be tapered.

Therefore, I suspect that using the non-tapered tap which you're suggesting, will create more of a need for thread sealer since you won't be engaging all of the threads of the hole.

I used a tapered NPT tap, and didn't have a problem at all, because I did the following (which BTW is included in post#1 of this thread in my detailed instructions. If the practitioner follows my instructions to the letter, he won't go wrong. I've performed this same task on a few of my Holley carbs, and haven't had a problem )....

"IMPORTANT: since this is a PIPE thread tap you're using, you cannot just run the tap through the hole as far as it will go. Doing so will open up the hole too much, and you will NOT be able to tighten up your threaded port. So only go as far as you need to go with the tap. No more. The deeper that you go into the hole with a pipe thread tap, the more it opens up the threads, and the looser the threaded port fitting will be. So measure a half inch (no more) on the end of the tap and mark it with a line and do not go past this mark with the tap into the hole. While tapping the hole, stop BEFORE the line you've made on the tap gets buried in the hole."

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BillyGman..... I'd have to say we're both right. I have both NPS and NPT pipe taps. It's just a matter of knowing how and where to use them. Incorrect use of tools can and will lead to problems in the short and long term.
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OK Jon, fair enough. We will have to let the readers of this decide for themselves how they want to proceed should they decide to perform this minor modification.
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