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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:37 AM
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Hey Folks,

I have no idea if I have a long water pump or a short one. What's the easiest or best way to distiguish the difference? I'm in need of an altenator bracket for some pulleys I ordered over two years ago. I'd check the invoice of that order but it was an online order and hence the info is now gone.

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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

A long pump will have some space between it & the timing chain cover (enough to put your fingers between)

a short WP will not
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

about a 95% chance you have a long water pump.
As far as I know, only the 70-74 454 Vette and some trucks had the short water pump.

How to ID?
the short waterpump's backside is nearly touching the timing cover
long waterpump has a gap of approximately .60"...you can get the end of your finger between the timing cover and the back of the WP
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

dammit Dave, you barely beat me to the punch!

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DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN, DAN,
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o 70 Elky 496 build coming damn soon!
$2000 454 is broken, ran well for a 3995# all-up wt.
1.631 11.727 113.37 91.47 midtrack 1.647 11.729 113.49 91.58 mph mid track
Bests 1.620 60 ft 91.60 best mph


o 68 Vette 427/M-20/3.36 22 year owner
http://public.fotki.com/kettbo/gearhead/
o 68 Camaro Vert 327 project, painted, assembly stage http://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...183654&page=55

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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

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dammit Dave, you barely beat me to the punch!
Ummmm its DAN!

& I had you by a whole minute!
sleepin @ the tree again eh?
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72 ss 454 "W" code,w/cowl induction (how many left?)
matching # LS5 454+.060" 9.2 :1, 2.19/1.88 valves,Comp HR cam 289/295 234/240 .613/.613 110* (dyno'd @ 557hp @ 5400 & 583tq @ 4100)
matching # M22 w/CF dual friction clutch.
Holley 750 HPs dp(82751) on Weiand Stealth & MSD Pro billet HEI
Hedman Elite headers/Flowmaster exh. (w/super 40s)
TC#3095
Garage find parked from 1978-2004

http://macswebs.com/ls5registry/bal/bal.htm
http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/sh...0&ppuser=25834
http://ssregistry.macswebs.com/1972/1d37w2b_reis.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZkVw6xMkM
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

Didn't 68 and down big blocks have shorts? I had to get a long pump to used a March pulley system.
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:54 AM
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Dammit Dan, I know that!
Maybe too much coffee this morning...will fix my errors AND knock out some push-ups
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o 70 Elky 496 build coming damn soon!
$2000 454 is broken, ran well for a 3995# all-up wt.
1.631 11.727 113.37 91.47 midtrack 1.647 11.729 113.49 91.58 mph mid track
Bests 1.620 60 ft 91.60 best mph


o 68 Vette 427/M-20/3.36 22 year owner
http://public.fotki.com/kettbo/gearhead/
o 68 Camaro Vert 327 project, painted, assembly stage http://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...183654&page=55
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:54 AM
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Since You Have A 70 Chevelle In Your Sig and you stated you recently Ordered The W/pump For your 70 Chevelle BBC It Will Automatically Be by application A Long Pump because the bbc Used The Long Pumps From 69 & Up In Full Size Pass Cars.

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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:55 AM
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Didn't 68 and down big blocks have shorts? I had to get a long pump to used a March pulley system.
yes, but who knows whats been changed in the last 38 years.
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72 ss 454 "W" code,w/cowl induction (how many left?)
matching # LS5 454+.060" 9.2 :1, 2.19/1.88 valves,Comp HR cam 289/295 234/240 .613/.613 110* (dyno'd @ 557hp @ 5400 & 583tq @ 4100)
matching # M22 w/CF dual friction clutch.
Holley 750 HPs dp(82751) on Weiand Stealth & MSD Pro billet HEI
Hedman Elite headers/Flowmaster exh. (w/super 40s)
TC#3095
Garage find parked from 1978-2004

http://macswebs.com/ls5registry/bal/bal.htm
http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/sh...0&ppuser=25834
http://ssregistry.macswebs.com/1972/1d37w2b_reis.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZkVw6xMkM
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

yes Gibbons, you are correct.
The question was 454 so 1970 SS hotrodded in posters info is what were're going by
and as you know, 1st 454 was in the 70 model
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o 70 Elky 496 build coming damn soon!
$2000 454 is broken, ran well for a 3995# all-up wt.
1.631 11.727 113.37 91.47 midtrack 1.647 11.729 113.49 91.58 mph mid track
Bests 1.620 60 ft 91.60 best mph


o 68 Vette 427/M-20/3.36 22 year owner
http://public.fotki.com/kettbo/gearhead/
o 68 Camaro Vert 327 project, painted, assembly stage http://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...183654&page=55
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Long vs. short water pump on big block 454

if the backing plate nearly touches the timing chain cover , it's a short water pump . if their's a larger space , roughly big enough to slide your hand in between the timing chain cover and water pump , it's a long water pump .
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Old Jun 18th, 08, 9:54 PM
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Wow I'm impressed by all the responses. There is a gap between timing cover and water pump. The 454 I'm using is from a 1978 truck for those who were wondering. Thank you for all your help. You've made my day.

Bob
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M-20 4 speed with Lakewood scattershield
454 400HP, 500 FT LBS torque
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