[77 cruiser]

The only part of it I don't like is having to grind the block in a already crack prone area.

[Jebchevelle]

Originally Posted by victor3ranger

Jeb,

So you used a set of Solid roller lifters with the hyd roller cam?? How long have you run this setup??? What kind of specs do you have on that motor?

It ended up going in a freinds 10:1comp .040 350 with a set of bowtie heads I gave him when I left Ohio. It is currently in a 70 pontiac lemans seeing weekend racing and car shows it has not been in there long about a 2 months. he said runs great so far. Cam was originally for a turbo project. Specs @.050 242/252 lift with stock 1.5 ratio rockers 540in/560ex 114lsa. I planed to use the cam in either a turbo or with N20 but the guy I gave the parts to doesnt run either. So far the car went from 14's with old engine a 355 10:1 with 488 hydro FT cam to 12's with this setup and he says it idles better and he likes it alot. The lash is set at .006 in. hot and .008 ex. hot. thats all he has told me. I gave him all my small block stuff that didnt go with the vega.

[victor3ranger]

That's very interesting

I might be able to find a good set of solid roller lifters pretty easy. The ones you are talking about were they the ones with the horizontal bar that has a spring under them???
The cam was a retro fit hyd roller cam right??

[Speedfreek]

I did it a while back and got a few negative replies on my block "hack job". It was on a 400 too. It is very easy. Search my old posts and you will find it.

BTW, I out ran a 95 Mustang that had 4.56 gears and a 5 speed just yesterday with my hack job engine. And this is in a 4000lb truck and it runs mid 13's! Engine is still going strong today.

[Mikeys69]

Originally Posted by Speedfreek

I did it a while back and got a few negative replies on my block "hack job". It was on a 400 too. It is very easy. Search my old posts and you will find it.

BTW, I out ran a 95 Mustang that had 4.56 gears and a 5 speed just yesterday with my hack job engine. And this is in a 4000lb truck and it runs mid 13's! Engine is still going strong today.

Is this the same block that people were saying it would crack "split"?

[Speedfreek]

Originally Posted by Mikeys69

Is this the same block that people were saying it would crack "split"?

Yes I think it is. This is my daily driver now and it regularly see's 6k plus blasts and is still running strong.

[Jebchevelle]

Originally Posted by victor3ranger

That's very interesting

I might be able to find a good set of solid roller lifters pretty easy. The ones you are talking about were they the ones with the horizontal bar that has a spring under them???
The cam was a retro fit hyd roller cam right??

yes to both questions.

[Calculated Risk]

Originally Posted by Speedfreek

I did it a while back and got a few negative replies on my block "hack job". It was on a 400 too. It is very easy. Search my old posts and you will find it.

BTW, I out ran a 95 Mustang that had 4.56 gears and a 5 speed just yesterday with my hack job engine. And this is in a 4000lb truck and it runs mid 13's! Engine is still going strong today.

The Quote below is as funny today as it was when you intially said it:

Originally Posted by Speedfreek

if I had to do this over again I would grind less on the block and more on the dog bones.

Really I would probably just buy the right lifters without grinding my block. I was VERY scared that I was going to grind through the block.

My engine runs great (knock on wood) but I worry daily about the lifter valley cracking.

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I still stand by it that it's a Hack job, spend a few $$$'s more and have peice of mind... But to the OP, good luck with whatever you do....

[Wolfplace]

Originally Posted by Mikeys69

Is this the same block that people were saying it would crack "split"?

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Although Rick was a bit more blunt than most in the old thread his advice was & still is valid
Also I don't think anyone said it "would" crack.
As I recall what was stated in different ways is grinding in the valley area is a very bad idea

I have scraped blocks & or fixed a number of cracks in this area in the past that had no grinding on them & can tell you for a fact that this area can be very thin on some blocks.
And none of them are real thick.

So as Rick stated,
If you wish to grind here by all means go ahead, it may well never give you grief,,, or it may,,,,
And if it does changing blocks sucks,,,

Bottom line is one or two people on the internet that have done a block still does not make it the best of plans

[Mikeys69]

Cracking http://www.chevelles.com/forums/show...2&postcount=21

[Speedfreek]

Must have been a better job than what some of the "experts" thought. It's still going strong today.

I may think the looks of someone's car (specifically) looks like a "hack job". But I'm not that blunt as to say it like this nor am I this rude.

And like I said a long time ago. If I had to do it all over again I think I would grind on the dogbones more and on the block a little less. This is not a funny statement to me.

[RB69SS396Conv]

There's a HUGE difference between "I did it and got away with it", and "you should do it too".

Just because it worked ONCE for SOME ONE PERSON, UP TO NOW, doesn't make it a good idea for SOMEONE ELSE to do it too. For all anybody knows, it could fail tomorrow.

I'm betting that if you tried to do the same thing to 10 blocks, at least 3 of them wouldn't make it past a pressure test before building; and probably at least one of the ones that "appeared" successful at the conclusion of the mod, wouldn't make it past the first 1000 miles. Not real good odds.

In other words, there's a HUGE difference as well, between "it's a good thing to do", and "I just got lucky this time".

Those distinctions seem to get lost in Internet advice alot of the time.

[Calculated Risk]

Originally Posted by Speedfreek

I may think the looks of someone's car (specifically) looks like a "hack job". But I'm not that blunt as to say it like this nor am I this rude.

I'm not rude, i'm honest. What you are telling people to do is a hack job.

And my "hack job" car that your refering to, went a new best mph of 152.4 and then backed it up with a 152.3 yesterday, and that was at 3,630 lbs, Iron vortec heads and on a 275 radial. And I didn't have to grind my block, or worry daily about it cracking daily....


The numerous people who stop by to see my car after each run think a small tire street car that looks like mine and runs 8's at over 150 mph is cool, not hacked...

[Wolfplace]

Originally Posted by Speedfreek

Must have been a better job than what some of the "experts" thought. It's still going strong today.

I may think the looks of someone's car (specifically) looks like a "hack job". But I'm not that blunt as to say it like this nor am I this rude.

And like I said a long time ago. If I had to do it all over again I think I would grind on the dogbones more and on the block a little less. This is not a funny statement to me.

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Patrick
You still don't get it do you
Did you even bother to read what I said above instead of being so concerned about the way Rick presented the truth?
It was nothing to do with a "better job" at all
It was just something you got away with that time.

Again you may not like the presentation but blunt or not that does not make the message wrong,,,,
And sometimes it appears being blunt or "rude" as you call it seems to work better as apparently the only thing you got out of or remembered regarding anything anyone said about the way you did it was the message from Rick
Maybe it was just "tough love"

Hell, according to what you said even you seem realize it is not the best plan,,
so why are you still defending the way you did it or recommending doing it?

Anyway,,, like I said,,,
If it cracks changing blocks really sucks

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Patrick
I just read the last three posts here that appear to be kind of hammering on you & I just want to say that was not my intent, this is not intended to be some kind of personal attack on you

My intent is to let people who are considering doing this know the possible consequences if all does not go as planned & nothing more simply because I know for a fact how thin this area can be in some blocks as does anyone who has had experience with a number of these blocks over the years

[Calculated Risk]

and not to pile on, but when i say your block is a hack job, keep in mind i have not said a single derogatory word about you personally, or your car. You may think i'm rude and that fine, but sooner or later someone will try this mod in an effort to save a few bucks and it will cost them a block.