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1967 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396/375 hp

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The wording makes it sound like it's not a real L78. Still a nice car though, but I think probably low 40's is where it'll end up. I'll have to check it out when I'm down there.
 
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I'd think the 'restorer' would have followed true to 67-unique stuff though.

Fan shroud? :noway:
Painted water outlet? :noway:
Wrong valve covers.
1966 alternator brace - plus it mounts the alternator incorrectly.
Carb spring to alternator brace and not to coil bracket.
Wrong grille extensions and probably headlamp bezels as well.
Looks like deluxe seat belts that aren't coded on the trim tag.
Wrong finishes on a lot of underhood parts like hinges, hood release, etc.

Can it all be 'fixed?' Sure, but one shouldn't have to if it's expected to bring big bucks.

Little stuff? Yeah but it's not restored to "factory original state."
 
#11 ·
NO docs. $40K max.
 
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January 2006 I can only imagine what he must have paid for it. It won't sell for that now but it's a nice car.
 
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I don't know much,but do my eyes decieve me? The turbo-jet flags are going uphill on the drivers fender,hood is not lined up,and the drivers front tire looks like it is going too fall off. Maybe it is just the way the pictures are taken,maybe...Bob
 
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Chill. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
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So what kind of documents do people want?? Documents or not, it no longer has it's original engine so you'd be documenting what it used to have under the hood? And that would somehow make you more willing to write a bigger check? :confused:

I'm sure some find that it would make them more willing to pay more but not me :noway:

Just personal opinions...
 
#28 ·
Bisquit037 said:
Why are you always harrassing me...

Why are you always "pulling people's chains" Mr. Bisquit?
You stated in another thread that that's what you do...


Bisquit037 said:
Can you read? Anyone that has 2 ounces of common sense also knows I was only pulling some chains...

You "pull chains" in your posts, then if anyone responds to you in any way other than with kid gloves, you act like your feelings are hurt and claim you're being picked on.
Dean asked you one question and you throw a flag on the field and yell "Foul!"

If you're going to dish it out, then you should be able to at least take a little bit in return.
Here's the way an internet forum (and life) works Mr. Bisquit...
If you're going to "pull people's chains," then most likely they're going to bust your chops (figuratively speaking).

Regards,
-Greg
 
#29 ·
Why are you always "pulling people's chains" Mr. Bisquit?
You stated in another thread that that's what you do...





You "pull chains" in your posts, then if anyone responds to you in any way other than with kid gloves, you act like your feelings are hurt and claim you're being picked on.
Dean asked you one question and you throw a flag on the field and yell "Foul!"

If you're going to dish it out, then you should be able to at least take a little bit in return.
Here's the way an internet forum (and life) works Mr. Bisquit...
If you're going to "pull people's chains," then most likely they're going to bust your chops (figuratively speaking).

Regards,
-Greg
I pull chains in a friendly way, never directed at one person. I prefer to enjoy life and not be so up tight about documents, correct parts and blah blah blah.. Who cares what it once was? NOT MANY... Ever go to a local car show? It's nice, I walk around looking and talking to everyone, admiring the workmanship and pride taken.. Occasionally noticing the incorrect things but never once announcing my knoweledge or making anyone feel as though they have crap because the car the dump thier heart into has the wrong alternator or because it's an x44 trim tag with z28 emblems on it.. etc. I agree once an SS always an SS that's fine but after all these years the only thing that really matters is build quality. Bust away gregory I can handle anything you throw my way, no worries!
 
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My apologies to everyone for the hijack, but I've needed to get this off my chest for awhile.*
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Biscuit, w/all due respect, you are injecting ideology about personal value into serious threads. People offer their*opinion based experience, not with the intention of converting anyone to their way of thinking *Almost every person participates in order to share as well as learn about our common interest.*

I might be wrong, but this folder seems to be the intersection where*Chevelle history and current condition merge into a discussion of MARKET value.*

Are there not more appropriate folders to discuss your ideas and experience instead of injecting*ideology simply to*rattle the chains of serious contributors. You seem like a decent person, so I can't imagine you want to*intentionally confuse honest people who come here to learn more about Chevelles?
 
#31 ·
If a car can be proven with docs to be a true 1967 L78 Chevelle (only 602 produced) well then SURE it is worth more. Even if the original engine is gone.

The more I look at the pics I don't think I would even give $30K for it. If we can tell lots of things wrong with it already from a few pics, imagine what an actual inspection in person would reveal.

Build quality is just not there in my opinion.
 
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From my reading, the ad copy doesn't present it as an "original" L78. It presents an original car with a period correct L78, a big difference. Since no docs are offered, it would be pure speculation to frame it as a dealer replacement of the original lower HP engine.*

Proper docs could show the history of the car, including the as built and subsequent changes.*

It seems to me, when the original engine is not available for a pure stock restoration, the market is rewarding well built, properly restored cars with top shelf powertrains. I use the red '67 427 that approached $70,000.00 (iirc)at Kissimmee as an example. Not that I see a comparable car here, it's just an observation as to what seems to push the value up despite a NOM.*
 
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I won't beat this Horse, or risk PETA coming after me.. :D

I will only say, that yes, it goes without question that a car with documents to show it's heritage is going to take some more money than a similarly built car without the docs. Why? I guess because some people will always feel better about themselves to say this car used to be this or used to be that... the debate over whether it STILL IS or NOT has been beaten to death and I see no sense in revisting it here.

The question is really the Value some will attach to a NOM car with docs vs a NOM car without docs. Add to that mix, not just any old NOM car, but one proven to be one of 612 built? It adds an emotional element. There are so many variables and it really is never more than opinions and hypothesis about what one might be worth if the stars and moon aligned just right to have two cars done with the same level of quality, same color, same options, and etc's side by side ( never happen ). However, I think we all can agree, a truly original 66/67 Chevelle SS L-78 which still retains it's ORIGINAL from the factory L-78 engine and matching Trans... will always bring a much larger sum of money than any with a replacement engine, papers to show the warranty or not. I know that in my years of helping buyers find these cars, I have yet to have one buyer even CONSIDER purchasing a NOM former L-78 car. Sorry, but that is just the Facts. Maybe it's just the buyers I deal with, but any time I have had an available 66 or 67 SS L-78 Chevelle, proven to be real deal but no longer having it's original engine.. they say, Thanks but No Thanks and move on! Of course there is obviously buyers out there who will buy these cars and have, but will they pay the money the real deal cars get? I doubt it... So in the end, we all have our opinions on what these cars are worth.. many and most times it depends on what our own yearly salaries are, and other times it is purely based on principle of what we believe.

Yes, I confess, most people will part with some additional money for the car that used have the coveted L-78 engine, but even those people know down deep in their soul, it's not quite Prime Time ;)

This particular car shows no signs of even pretending it was an original 67 SS L-78 Chevelle, the ad copy is fairly clear to me and it yet it did it's job... tag line says 67 SS L-78 and guess what? we are talking it up and it is getting press... lets all watch the tv coverage and be happy that even a car not built to the highest level of quality can still bring some coin!

Mike
 
#34 ·
Good post, Mike. There's no doubt you're working with an upper tier clientele who accepts nothing less than an investment caliber Chevelle with unquestionable pedigree.

Even with the shortcomings in ad copy, it's good to see an ad that's not screaming "real deal..." as if that was a top secret option code.
 
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I had the thrill of riding in a '67 Z-28 back in the day. I guess that goes along with lacking the foresight to keep the purple L78 together instead of parting it out.

After seeing one of the muscle car redo shows today, I can see the 'Net isn't the only source of bad information. The guy kept talking about building an L78. Must of been one of the uber rare 2-bolt blocks or an even rarer "never know for sure" engines built in the GM pop rivet lab.
 
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