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2 cars found in the bottom of Foss lake

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#35 ·
If you have a LOT of time to kill, here's an interesting thread from 4 years ago to skim through... 5000+ posts of the locals theorizing what happened to them with some pretty "creative" stories.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/sayre-ok/T1F2DSOQS402606TV

Drug cartels, mafia, etc... kind of entertaining to read some of it. :D
 
#36 ·
Good research on the weather! I had wondered about that as well. A downhill slope, a dark lonely slippery road. Wouldn't take much for it to go badly wrong.
 
#37 ·
how does no one ever notice 2 submerged cars right off an active boat landing for 4 or 5 decades? in that time, someone would have noticed that "something" was down there when it showed up on their depth finder...
 
#42 ·
MN lakes are rarely frozen over in November, I can't imagine any in OK would be. A body of water takes a LONG time to cool down.

The road may have been icy, but the lake wouldn't have been. :noway:
 
#44 ·
I skimmed over that Topix link yesterday, those Okies get pretty nasty! Interesting read for sure. Also, I found interesting on a DOE site, there was an anonymous tip that the bodies of the 3 youths could be found in a lake more than 100 miles away. No date on that tip but I'm assuming it was close to the timeline of the accident.
 
#47 ·
A few years ago I was involved in a sonar survey of the Sacramento River between Knight's Landing and Rio Vista. We found at least a dozen targets we thought were vehicles. A number were indistinct but a half dozen or so were unmistakable. One was an old 1920s stake truck but the rest were newer.

Working on the historical background for the project, I ran into countless articles from the 1920s and 1930s papers about so and so drowned when their car went of the levy road late at night and into the water. Been happening as long as there have been cars and roads on top of the levies :)
 
#48 ·
Speaking of theories - here's a "no foul play" version that rather fits the few observable facts.

The facts we can easily observe (Yes, there are certainly others - but we don't have access to them)

Fact: It was an unusually cold night in November in Oklahoma.
Fact: Three teens provided a somewhat shady story to parents about "going to football game"
Fact: Somehow they actually ended up down on a lonely road by a somewhat distant lake far from the football game.
Fact: The car shows no front end damage - it didn't hit the water at speed - but did end up in the water.
Fact: The windows are obviously up. No sign they never tried to get out.


O.K. so now the THEORY part. So, three very slightly naughty teens who are supposed to be at a football game instead take a little unauthorized joy ride in their friend's cool new 69 Camaro. They end up sitting in the cool new car on a lonely isolated boat ramp road down by the lake. Maybe they're listening to the radio, maybe they're talking, maybe even drinking a 3.2 Oklahoma beer they somehow got hold of? whatever - Sitting there, doing whatever they were doing, but it's cold...28 degrees! Driver starts the engine to run the heater because it was so cold...and the windows are rolled up.

Result? A little carbon monoxide leaks in from somewhere. (yes, 1000 ppm concentrations can render a person unconscious in less than fifteen minutes, and fuzzy headed in five) So, one by one, they get fuzzy headed, confused, maybe near to passing out or even passed out? Either passed out from CO, or perhaps in some very confused state, or maybe even dropping off to unconsciousness or with a last desperate jerk of a semi-conscious hand, the teen behind the wheel blurrily realizes something is badly wrong...tries to do something and clicks the car into neutral. (or he simply passes out and lets his foot off the brake, if the car is a 4 speed and he's been "holding" it there in neutral with the engine running and a foot on the brake...whatever) Either way, that's it. The car rolls straight on into the lake, (slowly) sinking and continuing to roll right down the submerged road as it slowly sinks into oblivion carrying the unconscious trio to their untimely deaths. Fortunately, they are already oblivious to their fate, thanks to the carbon monoxide poisoning.

Ockham's razor. The simplest explanation consistent with observable phenomenon is probably the truth.

I'm no cop, but my questions when looking at the car would be;

1. 4 speed or automatic car?
2. position of gear shift selector (drive or neutral if automatic, or other? Neutral or WHAT gear, if a 4 speed?)
3. position of key in ignition (running or not?)
4. emergency brake set or partially set or not set?
5. position of heater control levers? Blower switch?
6. headlight switch position? on, parking lamps, off?
7. Also curious - was this a power window car? (some 69 Camaros did have them)
8. What direction would the car have been pointing on the road relative to the area's prevailing wind direction? (a very slight tailwind could easily push the CO from the exhaust gasses right into the car through some relatively small opening, like a missed body seam sealer, a slightly open rear window, etc.)

Observing those things might give additional useful evidence to the state of the car in its final moments before submerging.
 
#64 ·
It does kind of make foul play plausable. With those crimes, if thats what they determine, so long ago. The suspect(s) may not even be living anymore.
 
#65 ·
Yes the guys on the shooter forum do get foul mouthed. hate that.

The wind is almost always blowing here.. could not swallow the affixiation theory..but possibly..
I would think high speed show off drinking teens..That is what i would be doing.
We just about all did it.

Water gets cold around here.. usually if it has been really cold the lakes will get frozen but only a thin sheet...
I have walked on ponds and edges of lakes here in oklahoma ..never in november

Missing since november 20th.. close to thanksgiving ..Deer season for gun was in at the same time.
Could be some slap happy drunks in deer camp.. kids doing donuts in the field..
Pissing off all the drunk hunters..or deer poachers...
Maybe they were killed and put into the car and then the car put into the lake.
 
#66 ·
I know what you mean about the OK wind...except that night. That night was unusually calm for OK. I checked NOAA's historic data records. it says it was dead calm that night in Elk City and Sayre. I expect that's why the temperature plummeted from almost 60 that day down to a low of 28 that night. Could have been really foggy down there by the lake too...maybe a temperature inversion?
 
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