Dave, I must be getting old. Somehow or another I was logged on a tmoble, which is a normal user acct, no priviliges. essentially a a test acct. tmoble is actually my username everywhere but here, I set up here as Tom Mobley back in 98. I didn't see anything wrong with tmoble because that's what I use all day every day. jeeze. AG Jeff is probably still trying to figure out what the hell happened.