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: Base timing question....?


MY FYN 79
Jul 17th, 05, 8:18 PM
For those with decent sized roller cammed small blocks, what are you running your base timing at?

For reference, my cam is a hydraulic roller with 234/238 @ .050 on a 108 LSA in a 10.3 to 1 383. It has 1.6 rockers on I/E.

I'm having a situation where I cannot get my 750 HP carb to idle without fouling plugs. Right now the motor has around 21* of timing at the 1150ish RPM idle, and no amount of carb tuning can get it to idle clean. Turning in the idle mixture screws enough to clean it out ends up with the car not restarting without pumping the gas, and surging during light acceleration.

Fattening up the idle mixture enough to get it to restart *better*, ends up with fouled plugs and poor drivability in town from being overly rich. WOT action is great, as even from a sub 1000 RPM idle I can pin the car with no hesitation at all.

The carb just came back from a very reputable shop, and he walked me through all the common problems to check for. All was well. We are looking into the possibility of needing more base timing. I manually turned the distributor and gave the car 36* timing at idle, and the starter had no problems refiring the motor even at 200*... but even with the 36* of timing, the car still didnt restart good after it sat a few minutes.

I dont really want to lock out my distributor on a street car, as I dont feel that should be necessary. The only problem is that my distributor doesnt have a vacuum advance, but none of my others did either with bigger cams than the one I have now. Any bits of advice? More specs can be provided if needed. This problem has kept me from going to the track for the last two weekends. :mad:

TIA for any thoughts.

speedfreak2
Jul 18th, 05, 9:31 AM
Best advice I can give is to lock it out anyways. You already have a large cam so you were obviously looking for more power and perfromance. You might think about buying a start retard switch also. It should idle a lot better and without fouling plugs.

blown66beaumont
Jul 19th, 05, 9:33 PM
all i can say is (MSD ,Digital 6)

EMcIllece
Jul 19th, 05, 10:10 PM
Just something I found.

MILD PERFORMANCE RADICAL
Stock, Mild Performance,

Smooth Idle
Noticeable Idle Radical Idle



ROAD DEMON Jr
General Application & Guidelines
Carb Size
Secondary Actuation
Engine Cam Duration at .050 Intake Manifold Transmission & Stall Speed Intial Timing
Stock Replacement, Mild Street Towing Apps, Good Torque 525 Vacuum 260 - 400
Less than 210°
625
Vacuum
302 - 400
Less than 220°
Dual Plane
Less than
10 to 12

725
Vacuum
350 - 500
Less than 220°
2000 RPM
10 to 12



ROAD DEMON
General Application & Guidelines
Carb Size
Secondary Actuation
Engine Cam Duration at .050 Intake Manifold Transmission & Stall Speed Intial Timing
Stock Replacement, Mild Street Towing Apps, Good Torque 525
Vacuum
260 - 400
Less than 210°

625
Vacuum
302 - 460
Less than 220°
Dual Plane
Less than
10 to 12

725
Vacuum
350 - 500
Less than 220°
2000 RPM
10 to 12



SPEED DEMON SERIES
General Application & Guidelines
Carb Size
Secondary Actuation
Engine Cam Duration at .050 Intake Manifold Transmission & Stall Speed Intial Timing
Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
575
Vacuum
283 - 390
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Less than
3,000 RPM
14 to 16

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
575
Mechanical
283 - 390
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Manual
Transmission
14 to 16

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
650
Vacuum
302 - 427
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Less than
3,000 RPM
14 to 16

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
650
Mechanical
302 - 427
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Manual
Transmission
14 to 16

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
750
Vacuum
393 - 477
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Less than
3,000 RPM
14 to 16

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing 750
Mechanical
393 - 477
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Manual
Transmission
14 to 16

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
850
Vacuum
W/Annular
468 - 510
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Less than
3,000 RPM
16 to 20

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
850
Mechanical
W/Annular
468 - 510
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Manual
Transmission
16 to 20

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
850
Vacuum
488 - 540
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Less than
3,000 RPM
16 to 20

Mild Perf, Muscle Cars,
Street Rods & Towing
850
Mechanical
488 - 540
Up to 240°
Dual Plane, or
small single plane
Manual
Transmission
16 to 20



MIGHTY DEMON SERIES
General Application & Guidelines
Carb Size
Secondary Actuation
Engine Cam Duration at .050 Intake Manifold Transmission & Stall Speed Intial Timing
Radical Street/Strip
Street Rods
650
Mechanical
289-427
Up to 260°
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual
or 3,000+ stall
18 to 20

Radical Street/Strip
Street Rods
750
Mechanical
355 - 477
Up to 260°
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual
or 3,000+ stall
18 to 20

Radical Street/Strip
Street Rod
825
Mechanical
383 - 510
Up to 260°
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual
or 3,000+ stall
18 to 20

Radical Street/Strip
Street Rods
850
Mechanical
W/Annular
425 - 540
Up to 260°
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual
or 3,000+ stall
18 to 20

Radical Street/Strip
Street Rods
850
Mechanical
488 - 540
Up to 260°
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual
or 3,000+ stall
18 to 20



RACE & RACE/RS DEMONS
General Application & Guidelines
Carb Size
Secondary Actuation
Engine Cam Duration at .050 Intake Manifold Transmission & Stall Speed Intial Timing
Radical Street/Strip
and Specific Race
Applications
650-1050
Mechanical
Call
Street Engines
over 260° or
Specific Race
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual
or 3,000+ stall
20 plus



KING & KING/RS DEMONS
General Application & Guidelines
Carb Size
Secondary Actuation
Engine Cam Duration at .050 Intake Manifold Transmission & Stall Speed Intial Timing
Radical Street/Strip
and Specific Race
Applications
795-1295
Mechanical
Call
Street Engines
over 260° or
Specific Race
Dual Plane, or
Single Plane
Manual Trans.
or over 4,000
Stall speed
20 plus