I attached my new 4" Harwood Outlaw scoop last weekend. Here is a pic....

http://users.ev1.net/~jaaustin/chevelle/scoop_prep1.jpg
http://users.ev1.net/~jaaustin/chevelle/hood_hole.jpg

looks good, shouldnt the scoop be at the end of the hood? like flush w/ the back.

i will be re-doing my hood and scoop (L-88 scoop), and was debating wether i cut the hole out like you, or cut the whole hood out, from the back edge to the front of scoop.

but looks good graemlins/thumbsup.gif


aaron

Originally posted by BowtieAaron:
looks good, shouldnt the scoop be at the end of the hood? like flush w/ the back.

i will be re-doing my hood and scoop (L-88 scoop), and was debating wether i cut the hole out like you, or cut the whole hood out, from the back edge to the front of scoop.

but looks good graemlins/thumbsup.gif aaron The instructions that came with it said to leave 4"+ behind the scoop whether it clears the windshield or not and I assume that may be for air flow properties. I just eyeballed what I thought looked good. It also said that if you are attaching to an aftermarket fiberglass hood, you should cut out the entire scoop area and attach from below with fiberglass and resin.
Here is another view:
http://uswes.ev1.net/~jaaustin/chevelle/new_scoop.jpg

Originally posted by BowtieAaron:
looks good, shouldnt the scoop be at the end of the hood? like flush w/ the back.

i will be re-doing my hood and scoop (L-88 scoop), and was debating wether i cut the hole out like you, or cut the whole hood out, from the back edge to the front of scoop.

but looks good graemlins/thumbsup.gif aaron The instructions that came with it said to leave 4"+ behind the scoop whether it clears the windshield or not and I assume that may be for air flow properties. I just eyeballed what I thought looked good. It also said that if you are attaching to an aftermarket fiberglass hood, you should cut out the entire scoop area and attach from below with fiberglass and resin.
Here is another view:
http://users.ev1.net/~jaaustin/chevelle/new_scoop.jpg

That is strange... :eek:

Just an idea to clean up the hood. Id fill in those vents in the back of the hood, make it smooth.

I hate to say it but I agree with BowtieAaron. The scoop looks to far forward. I would have trimmed it like a stock 69 Z/28 cowl hood with the three inch "tail" that would cover the vents and fill the vents on each side it doesn't cover. Go take a look at the 69 Camaro hoods and also the 67 Vettes. That is how Chevolets are suppose to look with a cowl. My opinion, your car. You could move it back at this point.
Roger

Oh well, it's a shame that y'all think it looks like crap or was installed completely wrong, but that is where it is going to stay graemlins/sad.gif Also, when I was moving the scoop around on the hood, the arch that is molded into the bottom of the scoop fit the hood best at this location. Moving it further back would have created a large gap between the scoop and hood so naturally I assumed it was not intended to be that far back and I also did not think that covering up the vents for the engine compartment was a good idea, although it would have looked good maybe.
I wish I knew everything about restoring or modifying these cars ahead of time, but am doing the best I can. The scoop will work for me right where it is (epoxy, bolts, filler) and I will just have to ignore all the comments from everybody on the road or at the track when thay are snickering about how too far forward my hood scoop is. :( Thanks for your comments though, I mean that graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I installed one of these with Fusor adhesives designed for attaching plastic and fiberglass panels to metal two years ago. the hood needed to be cleaned to bare steel and two coats of epoxy primer applied and cured for a suitable substrate to bond to. I then carefully cleaned up all the excess adhesive and tapered the flange to a paper thin edge. Next was the blending stage with fiberglass matt and resin followed by everglass and rage. Two years now after the installation still looks perfect. Fusor backs up their products with a lifetime guarantee. Traditional methods of fiberglass only installation has been less than successful on more than one occasion. I'll be using the Fusor again in the future for sure. Also, at the rear of the scoop it is advantagous to build an inside flange for increased attachment area back there. Most adhesion failures occure at the rear of the scoop first. Also seam seal the inside of the scoop and remember to remove any water after washing the car! I've seen them freeze up and crack from ice expansion after washing! Also, make sure the hood has the correct contour before attachment, make modifications to the scoop if necessary before installation-this will reduce the amount of stress on the bond areas. Take your time and do it right or you'll be doing it again. JMO :( Bob

Great points Bob. I did not feel comfortable using only an adhesive to attach the scoop, so I also bolted it down with countersunk #10 flathead screws with nut and washer. I then covered the heads with filler and they disappeared...
http://users.ev1.net/~jaaustin/chevelle/scoop_countersink.jpg

John, i didnt say it looks like crap, i said it looks good. i was just questioning the position of the scoop.

maybe the dude who had my velle got the L88 scoop from the same place you did, because mine is in the center of hood as well. but i am going to be moving it back to the edge of the hood IMO where it belongs.


should i go ahead and cut the entire hood out for the scoop, or just cut the hole in like John did? it is a plastic scoop, on a metal hood.

aaron

Originally posted by BowtieAaron:
John, i didnt say it looks like crap, i said it looks good. i was just questioning the position of the scoop.

maybe the dude who had my velle got the L88 scoop from the same place you did, because mine is in the center of hood as well. but i am going to be moving it back to the edge of the hood IMO where it belongs. should i go ahead and cut the entire hood out for the scoop, or just cut the hole in like John did? it is a plastic scoop, on a metal hood. aaron Sorry Aaron, I guess I got a bit frustrated this morning. ;) In my opinion you would not want to cut thru the sub-framing of the hood to insure the integrity of the hood itself as it relates to flexing, but I suppose it also depends on what you may have to make room for under the hood. In my case, I will just be installing a 10" dia K&N air cleaner on top of my 454. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

John, me-thinks it looks good. graemlins/thumbsup.gif And you can't get a good representation of "proper" scoop placement until the hood is setting on the car. I like how you've attached it. I might add, that if you bond it ie: Fusor also, you would not have too worry about any flex-cracks at the seams. I'd agree with Eric, fill and smooth the cowl vents at the rear of the hood for that "custom" look. smile.gif

Originally posted by tblw68ss:
John, me-thinks it looks good. graemlins/thumbsup.gif And you can't get a good representation of "proper" scoop placement until the hood is setting on the car. I like how you've attached it. I might add, that if you bond it ie: Fusor also, you would not have too worry about any flex-cracks at the seams. I'd agree with Eric, fill and smooth the cowl vents at the rear of the hood for that "custom" look. smile.gif Thanks for the positive feedback and your point is well taken. I should get some 2 part epoxy and make sure the seam at the perimeter is bonded completely to prevent any movement whatsoever prior to feathering the scoop to the hood with filler graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Here is the Fusor I wish I had used and will still apply to the seam before filler:
http://www.lord.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=420#147148

john its ok, i understand.

i will one day be running a ATI procharger on a 400 under the hood. but i will be probably be running a higher air cleaner though, like you are going to.

what is the best way to go ahead and putting the scoop on? is baddbobs was of doing it one of the best/easiest way. the guy whom had mine before had just pop rivited it on and also bondo'd it. all the plastic is cracking and you can see the rivits, thats the reason for doing the hood.
here is a shot of how my hood is now.

http://img.s10forum.com/album151/aby.jpg


aaron

Texas, I would have never noticed the scoop sitting forward like it is if No ONE mentioned it.

It does somewhat look to far forward but you know what WHO CARES. Am reminded of a verus by one of my favorite singers/songwriters Ricky Nelson, "You cant please everyone so you got to please YOURSELF"

I suggest smoothing the cowl vents or whatever you want to call them as it would make or FOOL the eye into believing that scoop sits farhter back on hood.

As your eye wont catch the smooth metal behind it like it does with the vents in place.

Another idea, fill and smooth about half of them vents on each side...so you can't see them from the front,from the side they might look like they
are there for a reason.You could make up a reason if any body ask!!! smile.gif

Great points Bob. I did not feel comfortable using only an adhesive to attach the scoop, so I also bolted it down with countersunk #10 flathead screws with nut and washer. I then covered the heads with filler and they disappeared... When using rivets or screws or bolts for attachment while the adhesives or fiberglass is curing, these must be removed after the adhesive is cured. The difference in expansion between the metal fasteners and the glass will cause them to show in time. Like the Corvette scoop recently posted.
bonded scoop ( http://community.webshots.com/s/image6/8/39/95/75183995mcLhnN_fs.jpg)

Bob, since I already have the scoop attached with screws and a marine adhesive (I don't know how good this crap is), can I follow that up by running a bead of Fusor alongside and under the seam between the scoop and hood ? Wouldn't that keep things from differential movement down the road ? Or, do I need to remove the scoop completely and attach it with Fusor (if possible) ? :confused:
Thanks again for everybody's input and advice graemlins/waving.gif

If you fill in the vent slots will you still have an air supply for the heater, defroster, kick panel vent & a/c?
Roger

Originally posted by BowtieAaron:

what is the best way to go ahead and putting the scoop on? is baddbobs was of doing it one of the best/easiest way. the guy whom had mine before had just pop rivited it on and also bondo'd it. all the plastic is cracking and you can see the rivits, thats the reason for doing the hood.
here is a shot of how my hood is now.

aaron Aaron, I would definitely follow Bob's advice on this install and wish I had heard it before I hurried into mine........Being a structural designer, I should have thought about the expansion differential between the bolted points and the epoxied points and known that it could cause a problem later on. Use the Fusor and hold down with temporary (self drilling) screws. After the Fusor has set, remove the screws. Be sure and have a few coats of a good, cured, epoxy primer on the hood where the Fusor will be applied. This bond will be permenant graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thanks graemlins/waving.gif

thanks guys, i will keep this in mind, i might actually print it out, becasue of the weather i dont think i will be taking my car into shop this week, but next i should be working on my hood, thanks again


aaron