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: Classic Auto Air Group Purchase


Gary
Jun 14th, 05, 10:26 PM
My partner and I are offering the "Perfect Fit" A/C system from Classic Auto Air for $995 thru July 31st. That is a $100 discount from the factory pricing. We'll need a minimum of 10 orders for the discounted pricing.

If you are not familiar with Classic Air check out the systems at www.classicautoair.com (http://www.classicautoair.com)

Classic systems are designed specifically for each model and year and is the only supplier to offer a kit to fit 70 -72. All of the systems utilize the factory heater controls to control the A/C and Heat functions and the system has a true dehumidified defrost cycle. There are some other significant advantages to the Classic system. First is the fact that other vendors only have one coil under the dash. That coil is split and part is used for cooling and the rest is for the heater, maybe 2/3's cool and 1/3 heat. The result is less cooling capacity because there is less surface area to do the heat transfer. This will be particularly noticeable in a car as big as the Chevelle, probably wouldn't notice in a 2 seat street rod. Classic uses a separate coil for each function, like the OEM setups. The higher surface area allows more air to be cooled to a lower temperature much faster. The result is being able to cool the inside of a larger car much quicker and handle the cooling chores better on those 95 degree days. The other issue with the single coil is the possibility of freezing up the heater, cracking the coil and leaking antifreeze into the interior. The farther South you go the less need to run higher ratios of antifreeze as the chance of really cold weather is slim compared to the North, combine that with a low refrigerant charge and the evaporator will freeze up, breaking the heater core. Then to add insult to injury, many of the suitcase's are sealed and can't be serviced. It will have to be sent back to the factory or just totally replaced if out of warranty. The suitcase that Classic builds can be disassembled and serviced if need be, for the price of the O ring that seals the two halves together. Classic uses an extruded nylon shaft for all of the damper and air doors in the suitcase used to direct the air flow. Others use plastic doors with a steel wire shaft, these have a tendency to rust and stick after 5 or 6 years, and because the case is sealed, they can't be fixed.
Under Dash Unit (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Gary/UnderDashUnit.jpg)
Engine Compartment (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Gary/EngineComp.jpg)
The "Perfect Fit" system comes with everything (nuts, bolts, screws, ducting, dash bezels, firewall block off plates, wire harness, suitcase, compressor, compressor bracket, evaporator, drier, hoses, even rubber grommets for the radiator support). One other nice touch is the supplied adapters to hook up the defroster duct to the suitcase, other suppliers leave that up to you to figure out. The only thing you supply is the freon, drive belt and crank pulley.

If your planning on keeping your car for a number of years and really want an AC system that works better than the factory unit and provides 20 - 30% more cooling capacity than many of the other vendors, the Classic system is by far the better choice.

Classic makes kits for all years of Chevelle, Camaro, Nova, Impala, Corvette , Tri-Fives and trucks as well as older Mustangs and Mopars. These kits were designed for non-A/C cars, but are now available for some original A/C cars.

Let me know if your interested. It usually takes about two weeks to put all the components together and ship and there are some optional items like polished compressors and driers. Just ask!

class72
Jun 15th, 05, 6:56 AM
FRANK FERRARA wrote:

Hi Gary , I want a kit for my 67 Chevelle I called classic auto air this morning and they are sending me a Hard copy installation manual.....How soon can I take delivery from you?? will they just ship it direct to me when you place order?? Rsvp , Thanks Frank

NiteOwlNY
Jun 15th, 05, 5:11 PM
How about a system for a 68 w/factory Air? I know its like 149 more.... I have't ordered mine yet, I was just going to order straight from classic air.... How quick can I have it? I want to get it in the first week of july (after the 4th I'll be at Limerock...)

rolandska
Jun 16th, 05, 2:00 AM
i'm in

Gary
Jun 16th, 05, 9:36 PM
rolandska,

Send me your E-mail address so I can send you a form with the car and engine info required to place an order.

Gary

It looks like we're at 4 of 10 already! :hurray:

class72
Jun 16th, 05, 10:22 PM
Hi Gary, You should have received my completed info form ? Keep me posted ! Thanks, Frank in Mass.

NiteOwlNY
Jun 17th, 05, 9:02 AM
I got the email.... I need to order my system asap.... I currently have the front end off the car and I am looking to get it back together the week after the 4th.... I want the A/C to go in as I put the car back together.....

GSOUPME
Jun 18th, 05, 3:46 AM
I am interested in one for my 66, what is the cost of shipping on one?

I have a few questions if anyone can help... Does it make any since to install a factory A/C dash with the vent hole already in place? I have my car all torn apart right now getting ready for paint, and I may have a line on a factory A/C dash. Is it worth the trouble or with the kit is it just easier to use a non A/C dash? Also has anyone installed on in a 66 or a 67 before and if so are any pics available of the dash and engine compartment?

Thanks for any help,

Greg

Gary
Jun 18th, 05, 7:38 PM
Greg,

Shipping to Las Vegas is $68.50.

As far as the dash, the kit comes with a new center bezel and tha two round bezels for the dash ends. You would have to cut holes to install these, templates are included. If you want to use the A/C dash, we'll need to substitute some hose adapters as the daimeters oo the back are a different size.

If you have a BB or DSL connection I can send you the installation instructions which show the bezels installed in the dash.

Gary

GSOUPME
Jun 19th, 05, 2:11 AM
Gary,

Thanks for the reply. I am in, I think I may as well use my dash rather than making changes to a system that seems very well thought out. The instructions would be great. I have a cable modem so I can download them with no probs.

gsoupme@fatguysinc.com is my email address when you have time.

Thanks again,

Greg

class72
Jun 20th, 05, 11:54 AM
Hi Gary , How we doing / How many confirmations we up to ? Frank in Mass

Gary
Jun 20th, 05, 4:24 PM
Guys, we have 5 of the 10 committed, with 3 or 4 thinking about it or working on the wives!

This is a good deal for a great product. Classic has systems for most of the "muscle cars" from the 60's and 70's. If you've got friends with Camaro's, Nova's, Impala's, trucks, Mopars or Mustangs they can participate in this purchase also, it's not limited to Chevelles.

Gary

mcdonnell49
Jun 22nd, 05, 11:34 AM
Gary,

Got your email last week about thise system. It looks pretty good. The Classic Air guys are sending me a catalog and an install manual for my '67 El Camino with factory air. I am guessing I have to buy the extra piece to make it work in with my controls.

I want to buy one since it is discounted. Shipping to San Antonio? Extra parts?

Thanks,
Hank

Gary
Jun 22nd, 05, 4:48 PM
That's great Hank, we're almost there. We've got 3 from Team Camaro along with 5 from Team Chevelle.

The shipping cost to San Antonio is $48.50. The extra charge for the factory air kit includes a larger firewall plate, duct adapters to go the dash bezels which are larger on factory air cars and the extra parts to hook up the factory A/C controls.

The only thing you need to supply is 24 oz of freon, a drive belt and you should already have the correct pulleys to drive the compressor.

Send me a PM with your Email address and I'll send you a form to fill out with all the required info on your El Camino to get your kit configured correctly.

Gary

Bill C
Jun 24th, 05, 2:43 PM
Im interested.. PM Sent.

66dream
Jun 24th, 05, 9:59 PM
Gary,

did you get my email about 66 brackets?
My system will be for factory ac vents with non ac controls.
(I cut the factory vents into a non ac dash)

Do you use different size duct work for factory sytle vents?

Does the 66 ac unit require the center under dash vent along with the 3 other vents in the dash?
thanks!

Gary
Jun 25th, 05, 3:51 PM
The dash louvers are different size between an A/C and non-A/C car where the hose hooks up, so we'll need to switch the adapters in the install kit.

It's your choice whether to install and hook up the "lap cooler" vent under the steering column. It comes with the kit and has a separate duct hose, but it isn't required to be installed. You can block off the outlet from the evaporator case that it would have hooked to.

I was also trying to remember why you were looking at the low mount for the compressor. Was there some clearance issue. I sent you a picture of the compressor mounted on the passenger side of a BB. Should look very similar on a small block.

Gary

66dream
Jun 25th, 05, 11:40 PM
Gary,
thanks I sent you an email.
I would have sent it pm but just now figured out what pm was.
Wow this site has so many features.
Anyway thanks for the help so far.
Dan

Bill C
Jun 25th, 05, 11:53 PM
Gary, Did you get my PM? I have some questions id like answered. It is the weekend tho, so no worries.

Rowdy
Jun 26th, 05, 6:33 PM
Could 25 years of procrastination be coming to an end. The return of climate control in my '66 has been on my "to do" list since removing the compressor during the Big Block swap back in 1981. I will PM with email info, like others I'd like to check out the literature before committing. I don't know what you are referring to, A/C-Non A/C hoes difference, the hose and fittings would be whatever size we're sent by Classic Air on both sides. I realize that the block off plates are different, but I may prefer the non a/c plate, as to use the fresh air hole to the cowl for induction purposes. Are the plates plastic, like Vintage Air's. If Classic Air routinely swaps parts in kits, can I assume that special requests would also be possible, block off for instance. Is the same evaporator/heater core box used for a/c and non a/c. R12 and/or 134a ?
Thanks Rowdy

Gary
Jun 26th, 05, 9:15 PM
Rowdy,

The A/C vs non-A/C hose discussion was because Dan had put the A/C dash bezels in a non-A/C dash. The duct hose is a different size as is the back of the bezel. This is only an issue due to mixing parts.

The block off plate won't interfere with induction, it is used to cover up the hole in the firewall left after removing the "suitcase" that houses the A/C condensor or the duct from the fan to the heater core. The firewall is clean after the install of the black plastic cover plate. There are no modifications done to the top of the cowl area under the hood where the fresh air vent is.

The evaporator unit (under dash) is the same for A/C or non- A/C cars. The system can be ordered as an R12 or R134 system. But I'd recommend the 134 as it is much cheaper to service.

There are several options available like polished compressors, chrome driers, Aluminum or chrome pulleys, clutch covers, polished SS condensor trim.

haughty
Jun 26th, 05, 9:54 PM
yeh - I need one too... SOme Questions-
1. I have a chevy BB serpentine conversion (ok, its a small block set up- with the brackets to make it work for a big block)-- ok here is the question. WIll the compressor adapt straightforward to the GM serpentine setup?
2. I can use the controls that the factory set up?
3. Do you take credit cards?
I have no wife- so that renders question 4 mute.

oh, yes its for a 72 malibu...

thanks

Rowdy
Jun 26th, 05, 10:55 PM
I understood the ducting size difference, I saw the "hoses on the back of the dash" and thought it was a reference to coolant or refrigerant hose. Sorry, easy mistake. On a '66 factory a/c car there are three firewall holes exposed when the outer blower box is removed; 1. htr core; 2. fresh air intake; 3. recirculated air intake. That is not including the hole under the fender, where the evaporator box is mounted (connects to pass kick panel)
Rowdy

Gary
Jun 27th, 05, 12:12 AM
haughty,

The Sanden compressor will bolt up in place of the R4 compressor that is used on the serpentine system. It will require a small amount of grinding to make clearance for the mounting bolts. These systems use the Factory Heater (or A/C) control panel to control the Heat, A/C and Defrost functions. There is a kit for Non A/C cars and factory A/C cars.

Yes, we accept credit cards.

Gary

Gary
Jun 27th, 05, 12:22 AM
Rowdy,

Sorry, I keep forgetting 67 and earlier are different than 68 and later. I don't have the instructions for 66 A/C cars yet, but I can send the non A/C installation manual if you'd like. If you want to call the factory, they'll mail one direct to you free, 813-251-2356.

That is one of the nice things about the non A/C cars, the kick panel vents remain operational. On an A/C car the evaporator unit doesn't hook up to the kickpanel, so if you added non A/C kickpanels you could have a fresh air vent.

Gary

class72
Jun 27th, 05, 7:34 AM
Hi Gary , How much closer are we to making this group purchase ? Thanks , Frank

Gary
Jun 27th, 05, 3:45 PM
Frank,

We are at 7 of 10 with 4 more possibles. I'm hoping we can place the first order next week. As soon as the 10th unit is confirmed we'll get the order placed. The discount will still be good on all orders placed until July 31st.

Gary

Rowdy
Jun 27th, 05, 4:15 PM
Gary,
Send me what you have, as you have probably guessed, I will probably modify to my needs, but I need to see what I have to work with. I hope that this is not a pain in the a$$, I do appreciate all of the cooperation.
Thanks Rowdy
ps: did you receive my info?

haughty
Jun 27th, 05, 8:47 PM
thanks gary
mine is an 1972 A/C equipped car, with serpentine belt.

Count me in- tell me what to do next- thanks, haughty

class72
Jun 29th, 05, 7:23 PM
Gary , alot of talk about aftermarket air in this corvette forum .....maybe you can post your original posting here also to get a few more ....Frank

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zeroforum?id=4

Gary
Jun 29th, 05, 9:40 PM
Thanks Frank!

I registered and will post the Group purchase deal there also. Classic makes the kits for 58-76 Vettes also. The thread there has some pretty good discussion about aftermarket air and the differences between the 2 major suppliers.

Gary

By the way we are at 8 of 10!

mph131
Jun 30th, 05, 11:56 PM
I am interested in a system for my 68 chevelle, but often get RPMs up over 7,000. Would I need to run a smaller crank pulley or maybe a larger A/C pulley? Maybe it's not a problem at all. It is a non A/C car. Thanks, Mike

Gary
Jul 1st, 05, 10:51 AM
Mike,

The Sanden compressors are built to operate up to 6000 rpm intermitent and 4000 rpm on a continous basis. This is with the clutch engaged and operating the compressor.

I'm going to assume that you are not running the AC during your blast down the track :D . So I don't see any problem at all.

With the group discount the kit will cost $995 and I'm guessing the shipping will be $48.50.

Send me a PM with your E-mail and we can configure a system for you car and with your zip I can get firm shipping cost.

Gary

66dream
Jul 1st, 05, 5:19 PM
Gary,

Can you send me the form to fill out for my system?
I didn't get it in the last email for some reason.

When did you say you will be placing the order and after that how long till we see them arrive?

I assume the systems will be shipped from Floridia correct?

class72
Jul 4th, 05, 8:17 AM
ttt

Stu
Jul 5th, 05, 3:06 AM
Gary,

You have mail.

-stu

68Phoenix
Jul 5th, 05, 12:03 PM
Gary,

You have more mail. How many people are lined up for this purchase?

Gary
Jul 5th, 05, 4:54 PM
Looks like we are at 10, so the discount pricing is available. This discount will be good until the end of July.

I'll be sending out invoices over the next day or two to those who have signed up, (hopefully nobody has changed their mind). If you don't get one in a couple of days, send me an Email as I don't want to miss anyone.

Gary

class72
Jul 5th, 05, 8:47 PM
Hey Gary , Confirming ! ...... Ready when you are ! Frank

Gary
Jul 6th, 05, 12:45 AM
Frank,

You have mail!

I sent you your invoice. :hurray:

Gary

1BadBu
Jul 6th, 05, 11:19 PM
Gary,

Still waiting to hear back from you regarding buying other than the complete system. It's still $700 worth of stuff so even a 10% discount would be nice. Why not just make it a blanket deal for the month of July to all TC members? I think you've shown them the interest that can be generated at our website. You got 10 guys to pop for $1000 and change. That's $10,000 that mighta gone to Vintage.

Gary
Jul 7th, 05, 12:34 AM
Scott,

Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner. I've been concentratiing on getting these first 10 systems sold so the discount on the kits would be good thru the end of July.

I'll send you your pricing off line tomorrow. Your E-mail indicated you needed an evaporator kit and the factory air adaptor kit for a 70, right?

Can I ask why you don't need or want the whole kit?

Gary

Erik's 64
Jul 7th, 05, 12:41 PM
I talked with a guy at classic auto air and told him what I was trying to do. He told me that since I had a brand new compressor and brackets (I bought a serpentine belt set up from GM) the perfect fit system without compressor and brackets would be -$150 or $945 would your $100 off the regular price apply to that? Let me know and I will try to get the money together. The system I need is the perfect fit system for a 1964 Chevelle. Thanks, Erik

NiteOwlNY
Jul 7th, 05, 1:07 PM
Ok... Back from vacation.... I see we're at the 10... How much longer? I was planning on being further along with the car but unfortunately I got sick and did nothing before I went away....

Gary
Jul 7th, 05, 5:45 PM
Erik,

The discount still applies even though you will have a compressor and mount deduct. So your system will be $845 plus shipping and any other extras / options you might want.

Send me an E-mail or PM with your address and E-mail and I'll get a shipping cost.

Gary

Gary
Jul 7th, 05, 5:51 PM
NiteowlNY,

I'm in the process of placing the first order for 10 systems. After that I'll be able to place them as soon as they are received.

I'll send you an E mail with a form to fill out to get the info on the car.

Gary

Gary
Jul 8th, 05, 8:05 PM
Thanks everyone, the first 10 units are ordered and will begin shipping next week. Those who have confirmed with me in the last day or two your systems will be ordered early next week.

For those of you who are still considering, the minmum order point has been exceeded so the $995 price is good thru July 31st.

Also, if you are running a serpentine system you can get a compressor and mount deduct of $150 from the discount price.

Gary

c69454
Jul 17th, 05, 12:52 AM
Is this deal still on and has anyone installed on in a 70 Chevelle?

Thanks

Gary
Jul 17th, 05, 6:42 PM
c69454

The discount is good on orders placed before July 31st. There have been 3 systems for 70-72's ordered, but I don't think anybody has them installed yet as they are just now shipping from the factory.

Gary

c69454
Jul 17th, 05, 8:52 PM
Thanks Gary...

Please PM/email me a number to call or how to order a kit..

Thanks

haughty
Jul 17th, 05, 11:24 PM
72 here... cannot wait gary- but there is alot of stuff to before this will go into the car- Im hoping for a late fall /early winter install of the system///

now i just need the glass... any good suggestions for tht is appreciated as well------ (I am not threadjacking BTW)


thanks gary

rianbechtold
Jul 18th, 05, 7:00 PM
Wait, has anyone seen the kit for a 70-72? Or any years at that? How does the control work without vacuum switches? I took mine apart and the heater/ac control unit is ALL vacuum lines?

Gary
Jul 18th, 05, 7:20 PM
Classic's system uses cables attached to the original control levers to open / close the doors to direct air to the defrost or dash vents and floors; another lever controls whether it is heat or AC and the fan switch will still control the new fan.

The factory system uses the vacuum pods to control the intake from fresh air or recirculate and uses vacuum and cables to direct the air.

When doing the conversion from the factory system the entire underdash unit is removed and replaced with the aftermarket unit. New ducts are used to connect the unit to the factory vents or the new vents supplied with the kit, depending on whether it had factory air or not. New cables are supplied to hook the existing control panel to the new underdash unit.

Makes the control scheme simpler and installation much easier than running vacuum lines and electrical wires all over under the dash.

Gary

rianbechtold
Jul 18th, 05, 9:08 PM
Okay, i see. But, maybe my dash was already missing something, but i have a 71 with factory air and it has NO levers or cables. Just the plug with like vacuum hoses galore plugged into it. Granted, neither my air nor my heater ever worked (wasn't wired) so did mine originally have cables and levers? I did rebuild a car with heat only and it had levers and cables. Thanks, i am REALLY interested in your kit cause this idea of driving in California (110 today!?) with a car with a dark blue interior is nuts!!! LOL, thanks!

Gary
Jul 18th, 05, 11:03 PM
I have a 71 with air and a 71 non air. There is one cable in tha air car that is used to regulate the temp, it hooks up to the lower of the two horizontal levers in the control panel that is marked cold and hot. The top lever is the one that is hooked to the vacuum switch and controls all the functions like " max. norm, heat, defrost, de-ice, etc."

Sounds like your missing some parts!

Gary

rianbechtold
Jul 19th, 05, 12:09 AM
Really? Okay, i'll look at that. Oh, btw, anyone know if the 70 control unit is the same as the 71? Cause mine is technically a 70 1/2 and i found a few parts that are from 70 models. So, will the kit worl with the ac/heater control unit? Also, what is the $150 part that is needed? LOL, sorry for all the questions!?

Gary
Jul 19th, 05, 8:23 AM
The control units are the same and are interchangeable from 70-72, don't recall if the lense lettering color is different like the speedometer and gages. The AC / Heater control is still used for control of the Classic Air unit. In fact that is one of the big advantages, the dash maintains its stock look. It does have to have both control levers and the fan lever installed to be useable, but the vacuum and wiring harnesses are removed during the installation.

The Adapter kit for factory air cars, includes a larger firewall block off plate, larger adapters to hook the factory dash vents, wiring harness, defrost duct adapters and other assorted parts required because of the complexity of the factory air and maintaining the original look of the controls and dash.

Gary

rianbechtold
Jul 20th, 05, 1:16 AM
Okay, i was just outside looking at the factory unit and stupid me, i took the unit out so long ago, i completely forgot about the cables!! LOL, sorry bout that, they are all there! So, just a few more questions (i mean, this is ALOT of money for a 16 year old). Is the kit for the 71 really a bolt in because i have never been able to find one, they all say, "This is for a earlier style chevelle and requires HEAVY modification to use in a 70-72" so is it REALLY hard? What would i get the 134a or the R-12 (do i choose or does it depend on car? Cause i live in the state of restricitons-California, and i don't want any fines! LOL). So when you say it eliminates the vacuum, you mean ALL the vacuum!? LOL, cause that would be PERFECT if it did!!?? Oh, and i have seen the cheaper kits that just blow air from the unit and not to any of the ducts, this kit blows it from the ducts, right?
LOL, sorry for all the questions, i have bought products from companies that sell to different makes of cars and got something COMPLETELY different than the pics! Thanks for bearing with me!

mrgto
Jul 20th, 05, 6:47 AM
1.How does this kit fit in a Pontiac?
2. Do you have pics of the box out of the car and where the cables mount to it?
3. Are Serpentine kits available? I plan on using a March Pulley system so I would need that.

odie
Jul 20th, 05, 1:59 PM
Question on Installation of Unit in a non-air '67: Can the glovebox remain completely intact after install, or does it need to be cut down/reduced in size to allow passenger compartment side of A/C unit? Thanks.

Gary
Jul 20th, 05, 10:54 PM
rianbechtold

Classic is the only vendor that has a kit specifically designed for 70-72 Chevelles and the ony one that has conversion kits for factory air cars. The kits include all of the components needed to hook the unit up to blow thru the factory dash vents or it includes vents to install if they aren't present in the dash, such as 64-69 non air cars, including side and center dash vents.

The cost of R12 becomes prohibitive and there is nothing wrong with R134 when the system components are sized correctly to use it.

Classic does not use vacuum to operate any of the doors and functions of the AC. It is either mechanical (cables) or electric (servos) depending on the year.

Gary

Gary
Jul 20th, 05, 11:03 PM
mrgto

Classic has kits for 64 -67 GTO's. The under dash unit will be very similar to the Chevelle unit. It also utilizes the original heater control panel, using 2 supplied cables, to control the functions of Heat and AC.
I don't have the installation instructions for the GTO, but you can call the factory and they'll send to you. That will be quicker than mailing to me and then sending to you.

I have sold several systems for use with serpentine drives. March and the others use Sanden compressors and the mounts are designed for them. You can either get a deduct for no compressor mount or a deduct for no ccompressor if you already have one or buy it with a March kit. This system will work with the GM serpentine drive and the GM R4 compressors.

Gary

Gary
Jul 20th, 05, 11:07 PM
odie

Most all of these kits include a new glove box insert. It is the same opening size just not as deep. Unfortunately, when everything that was on the firewall moves to the inside, that needed space has to come from somewhere.

Gary

rianbechtold
Jul 21st, 05, 1:38 AM
LOL, sorry to ask all the questions!! And after all that...yea, well i drove my car today and the engine...is officially...dead. It broke a rod and ruined the cylinder. It has been rebuilt a few times so the machinist pretty much said it will never see the road again! So, unfortunately, i won't be able to buy the kit...yet!? Which is probably better for you caus i'll have to buy it at the regular price!! LOL, well thanks for being so helpful and i'll be sure to give you a call in the future! Thanks!
Ryan

c69454
Jul 21st, 05, 1:06 PM
I'm not having good lucking finding a pulley system to use.. March perf. says I have to use their compressor if I want serp. belts at $1100 which is insane. They told me there is no way to mount using their regular V belt pulleys.

Does anyone have any ideas for a 70 Chevelle BB with out factory air? I sure would like AC more then some shiney overpriced chunks of aluminum.

Thanks

Gary
Jul 21st, 05, 10:04 PM
c69454

Have you looked at the GM system? If I remember correctly it's available for BBC at around $800 and inclides new alternator, power steering pump, R4 AC compressor and all pulleys and brackets. Might have to change to reverse rotation water pump????

If your just interested in chrome pulleys and moving the compressor to the passenger side and alternator to the drivers side, there are brackets available.

Send me a PM or Email with what you'd like to end up with and I'll see if there is a way Classic can help.

Gary

Gary
Jul 21st, 05, 10:06 PM
Ryan,

Sorry to hear about the bad luck. Maybe you can find a cheap motor to put in the car and at least have some wheels for the rest of the summer.

Gary

haughty
Jul 22nd, 05, 11:28 AM
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OK - *ahem* NOW - i NEED TO JUST CALM DOWN AND GET THE CAR DONE TO THE POINT I NEED THE A/C

Thanks gary!!!!!

vrooom3440
Jul 22nd, 05, 5:53 PM
I'm not having good lucking finding a pulley system to use.. March perf. says I have to use their compressor if I want serp. belts at $1100 which is insane. They told me there is no way to mount using their regular V belt pulleys.

Does anyone have any ideas for a 70 Chevelle BB with out factory air? I sure would like AC more then some shiney overpriced chunks of aluminum.

Thanks

What is it that you really want?

For basic functional brackets using "standard" V belts, you might want to check out Alan Grove Components. They have about the widest selection I have seen and are what the "other" guys (read: Vintage Air) use. If you want alternator on DS, A/C on PS, and PS on a LWP BB, they can get you there (this is the combination that I have). Just go to: www.alangrovecomponents.com.

Steve

haughty
Jul 22nd, 05, 8:39 PM
well, what I had to do is buy these adapters and then a small block chevy serpentine set up. It isnt Pretty like a 2000 dollar system- but it is functional, and if you throw a belt its easy to get parts for. No special power steering pump....

THis is the way IM going..and It should go well with the CLASSIC AIR-- (not braggin- just excited it came in).



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38656&item=7985640420

mcdonnell49
Jul 23rd, 05, 10:31 AM
I got my system in and have been working on it about a week. My brief up-to-date. It took me 18 hours to deinstall my old AC system. I tried to salvage what ever I could but was hard to do. I got a few parts I will put up on this site. I am 4 hours into new install. When it says take out inner fender, take it completely out. Took me an extra 4 hours to wedge out old part and put in block off plate. I do not like drilling new holes into the fire wall for the blockoff plates. They should have let us use the old holes and hardware. Keep all your hardware you may need it.

Moving out doors now. I can just feel the cold air on my face. Wait it is humid and hot! Oh Well!


Hank

ErikSOCAL
Jul 27th, 05, 1:31 PM
Gary, sent you a pm.
thanks

vrooom3440
Jul 29th, 05, 1:43 PM
Question about how the evaporator box is constructed on the '68 version... in particular how the blower fan housing is attached? Is it glued on or bolted on?

I ask because from the pictures in the installation guide I have, it appears that there is a good 4"x4" or larger square of original heat duct hole in the firewall that is not covered by the evaporator coil box. If the fan is indeed bolted on, then it could be removed and replaced with a duct into the original factory heat air duct. This could form the basis of a fresh air function using the original blower. It would likely be a quieter solution acoustically with the remote blower intake location.

Add a factory-style cowl plenum shutoff and open up the passenger kick panel vent and you have recirculate air flow. Almost like the factory setup.

Depending on the answer, is it too late to jump on the bus here?

Gary
Jul 29th, 05, 9:08 PM
The evaporator box is bolted on, as is the whole case construction. That way the parts inside can be serviced if needed.

You can do the modifications that you described, although you'll need to close up the majority of the hole and then fabricate a 90 deg duct to direct air into the case. You 'll then have to rewire to the factory fan, the factory cowl vents were vacuum controlled so there isn't a way to control them.

If you're concerned about the fan noise, the Spal fans are really quiet. Part of the reason is they are open on both sides so the inlet velocity is much lower which reduces the air noise.

One nice thing about these systems in non air cars (68-72) is that the kick panel vents are still operable. In fact, on a factory air car with this system installed, the non air kick panels and damper doors can be added to allow floor vents.

I'll still except orders thru Monday at the discounted price, since the end of the month falls on a weekend.

Send me your regular Email address and I can send you a quote form if decide to go ahead.

Gary

vrooom3440
Jul 30th, 05, 5:05 PM
Actually the fan noise is not my highest concern. The really big thing that I am after is the fresh air option rather than *just* recirculate. It is amazing just how much air flows through the existing vents without any fan at all. The way I see it, this can only add to the function of an A/C system. Especially in getting the car cooled enough to benefit from recirculate. Or in just flowing enough air that A/C is not needed quite as often.

I figure I will have to do some duct fabrication and custom control setup :-) But plastic is easy to work with or I could go the fiberglass route. I might have to check into the electric servo setup that Classic uses and learn more about how that works and if the same hardware could be adapted to other uses.

NiteOwlNY
Nov 10th, 05, 1:02 PM
Ok... I decided to rehash this... My car has been on hold for quite a few months here and the wife say's I have a choice between the Daytona 500 or my A/C for the car for christmas... Of course I chose the A/c... Anyone take pictures of their install, especially into a factory A/c car.... Sucks I missed out on the discounts, but she's paying for it anyway... hahaha....

vrooom3440
Nov 10th, 05, 2:17 PM
No pictures... but the only noticeable difference I would expect is a different firewall block off plate. If you call them up they will send you a copy of the installation guide which does have some pictures of a non-A/C car.

At some point I will have some pictures from my non-A/C installation... but it will be anything but "standard" :-)

Steve

NiteOwlNY
Nov 10th, 05, 3:15 PM
I got the info long ago... I was going to do it in the spring, but other things popped up.... I'm really wanting to get the car back together before spring....