Hi guys,

I went to my local PPG store yesterday to get some tech sheets and start talking to them about my options. Can soomeone tell me the difference between the Deltron (DBU) line & Global lines? The PPG guy seemed a little unconvincing and said that they were essentially the same and that the Global line was more for European colors. He said that all of the products (catalysts & hardners ect..) were different between the lines but that all of the stages before the color (etch, epoxy, & K36/K38) were the same. I haven't decided on an exact color yet and I don't know if that will help in determining what line to use. I definitely want to use "the good stuff". The folks in there were nice and helpful and I'd like to be able to deal with them (they're close) so is what he said true?

Thanks!

George
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If you want the "good stuff" go with the DBC not DBU or Global. You will need 2021 clear, better yet go to the ppgrefinish.com and you can print off any tech sheets for free right know smile.gif

Also go to ppgautomotivepaint.com or something like that you might want to do a Yahoo search on that address and see that you can order a gallon of PPG DBC base coat for a little over $200 instead of paying a little over $400 at the jobber. Yes you can order paint on line if you don't live in CA and yes it is free shipping if you order over $250 worth. I would go to autobodysupply.net and look at the House of Color though, it is cheaper and better for home garage jobs, just open your favorite magazine and look at what most of the guys are shooting at home on the high dollar resto's :D

I have not shot either so take this as you may. But when I was a rep for Sherwin Williams they did comparison tests on competitive products and recorded the results. You asked a question I have never seen asked and I pulled out my competitive analysis report on the two products. This is what they said.

The Global was "Extremly quick coverage, easy to sand and excellent metallic control" and "A far superior product to the DBC and DBU basecoats we've come to know" and "Only down side is cost".

The DBU DBC testing yielded these comments, "Both have poor coverage, five coats to achieve coverage with Cayene Red".

Now mind you, these are just a few comments, there are pages of information on how the tests were done. They do a very thorough, honest evaluation. Remember, these are comments from Sherwin Williams tech reps and instructors who sell Sherwin Williams. So for them to say something like that about Global, it must be very good.

The comments on "How to sell against" and "Product strengths" were particularly interesting. smile.gif

Product strengths
"Extreamely fast coverage, almost one coat. A hard basecoat, metallic control very good, it can be sanded"

How to sell against
"They are higher ready to spray cost. smile.gif That was all they could say, it cost more.

It sounds like the Global is worth the money.

I'll agree Brian, the demo I did on the Global I was impressed with. Real basecoat too,no more hardner in it!!. Mike

I was planning on buying the PPG DBC in the original 1972 Midnight Bronze, code 68, because I read on this forum that the metallics in the DBC is much better and will give me a closer color match to the original laquer. Is that right?

Thanks!
Mike

DBC is a higher grade of basecoat then DBU. DBU to me looks dirty and not as easy to use, it requires a active reducer, basically it hardeneds it.
Global was introduced to compete against companies like Standox, Spies Hecker, Sikkens and R-M
Global and Deltron undercoats(k36/K38) are NOT the same products. Global and Deltron are two different systems.

Ive gotten to play around with a few Global products, great product line. They have a sweet sealer that am trying to get but the darn sales dept at PPG wont sell Global to NON Global cerfitied shops :(

Also have noticed that ALL PPG shops minus mine in this area are now spraying Global products.
If you have a chance to use it by all means go for it...Eric

The Global is very nice, the few colors I sprayed the color match was very good and basecoat laid nice and flat,always seemed to be a problem with the Deltron!!.
I think I used the sealer you are talking about and it was nice but, I thought you were one of the non-sealer guys!!
The only problem I had was the clear was very thick (high solids) and hard to get to lay flat on a blend panel.Thinned it a little and worked much better and no die-back.
Tell your boss ya wanna switch or your gonna strike!!! Mike

Originally posted by sevt_chevelle:
They have a sweet sealer that am trying to get but the darn sales dept at PPG wont sell Global to NON Global cerfitied shops :( Eric Eric, funny you should mention that. I remember the techs telling me how hard it was to get some for the product evaluation. They didn't want to sell it to a competitor for testing. smile.gif

Just my opinion here but also keep in mind I'm Global Certified, The Global line is greatly over rated. The metalics are not very nice to spray and are very suseptible to striping and mottling, the clears will sometimes reflow the metalics if applied to soon or too wet. The clears are also very suseptible to solvent trap and reducer selection is critical. This system is a different animal and requires alot of test and tune. And the basecoat does require activating for the best durability, especially with tricoats where there is more color buildup.


Don't get me wrong, I do like the system but it's not as great as people think. DBC is alot more user friendly and I never had any durability or quality problems either.
In my web link is a photo link showing a Yenko Camaro I painted last spring, PPG donated all the materials for that job. It wins shows where ever it goes. Could I have done the same with DBC? YUP.

Global D894 clear has a yellow look but very durable and slow drying. D893 is in my opinion the best clear they have to offer. D8101 is good for spot and multi panel. The colors are ready to reduce directly from the mixing machine which is nice for custom work. The DG (direct gloss) single stage colors are very durable and nice to spray and can be mixed with D893 clear for a nice deep look with alot of glow on lighter colors. The 822 primer is very similar to NCP270 and sands like butter.

Mike am not a sealer hater! smile.gif Just in some cases I dont see a need for it but otherwise if I can use it WILL. But things change along with ideas and the products I use also change.

Am starting to dry sand repaired primer surfacer spots and use sealer for that area to protect agaisnt sand scratches and solvent soaking into the primer.

I cant recall the Global sealer number but its a dedicated product made especially for that use. As all the Deltron sealers are just primer surfacers mixed in a different ratio. K36 as a sealer is good but leaves behind a real nice orange peel surface that you can pick out after clearing. Also can leave behind a blend or stopping edge that can be seen. The Global sealer blows any Deltron sealer out of the water IMO.

Bob, do you use D890 clear at all? Ive played with this clear several times and thought it was below par, not good at abrasion resistance.

Some of the colors in DBC can also get swirled easily by the clear. One that comes to mind is GM's Dark Brownmist metallic found on malibus. The only way I can prevent swirling on this color is add DX57 and apply 1 coat of DBC500 aftwerwards