what's your take on this?

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3390503&nav=6uy5aHLq

LEV! Where you at these days?

Once again, if getting 120 MPG were just that simple, why would the car companies not be doing this already when they are having to kill power and cut weight and spend millions in the windtunnel just to keep up with the current government MPG mandates. Also if this guys story really did work, he would be rich beyond anyones imagination. He could sell his process to any number of companies for whatever he felt like asking. So I say that it's total BS.

Sounds to good to be true. Hmmmm..... :rolleyes: ;)

Well, his claims on the changes in metal properties are correct at least. That's what Praise Dyno Brake does to their components. But it won't change how the engine operates, and he sure as heck isn't saving any money buying and storing all that liquid nitrogen...

Once again, if getting 120 MPG were just that simple, why would the car companies not be doing this already when they are having to kill power and cut weight and spend millions in the windtunnel just to keep up with the current government MPG mandates. Also if this guys story really did work, he would be rich beyond anyones imagination. He could sell his process to any number of companies for whatever he felt like asking. So I say that it's total BS.

Yea, how can treating parts more than double his milage? I think someone is adding gas to his tank at night so he thinks he's getting that kind of milage.
Thats the kind of practical joke I would play on someone I wanted them to look like a fool.;)

he sure as heck isn't saving any money buying and storing all that liquid nitrogen...

You say that now....but just wait until the new Terminator travels back through time and starts killing people off. He's covered and we're gonna be running around screaming like women.

You say that now....but just wait until the new Terminator travels back through time and starts killing people off. He's covered and we're gonna be running around screaming like women.
Start screaming. He's down the road from you in Sacramento.

You say that now....but just wait until the new Terminator travels back through time and starts killing people off. He's covered and we're gonna be running around screaming like women.

He already did that a few years from now.

Did not read the article, but freezing (cryo) small gas engine parts (go karts, shifter karts) has been a technique to get more and last longer out of those motors.

Is this what he is doing?

Ok, I just read it and that's exactly what he is doing. I can understand how it makes parts last longer, but not reduce friction?????? As a hybrid it uses electricity some times, so maybe he has done something to the electric motor. Cuz if you reduce heat (do tempered parts reduce heat?), the electric motor will be more efficient, and would not require as much gas-time during the recharge cycle, maybe increasing gas mileage.

Seems that if freezing rotors makes them last longer, it probably expells heat better. Send an email to this guy and ask........

DG

That article offered no engineering or scientific information to make me believe his theory is correct. It was all poetry.

Hi Lev-
How'd the dogs do?

Jeff

Kurt and Jeff - I got a whole lot more than I bargained for. I ended up working in dog farm in Alaska. Email me privately if you want the gruesome details ;)

On topic, though, I was more interested in the freezing of things for durability rather than the gas mileage claims. So what he says makes sense? Freezing things makes them tougher? would it not make them more brittle and less malleable?

Lev, I was just thinking of you yesterday. Wondering how things have been going. I'll email you. Well, maybe not. You have a PM.

I've read about cryo-treating metals a few times, and a lot of people definitely believe in it, but that doesn't mean anything. A lot of people believe in astrology and psychics too.

I think it's cool. :D

take a look...
http://www.kfor.com/global/story.asp?s=3390503&ClientType=Printable

i am going to need a bigger freezer

The cryo' process does make the material stronger. Or so I've been told by people with degrees on the matter. I've never takin' hammer to anything that has been dipped to double check.

It's like using cold to do work, instead of compression. It compacts thing, on an atomic level. So, it that holds true, then it could reduce the "roughness" of bearing surfaces. But I'd think you would need to re-cut the motor for that to happen. and that would take some serious carbide bits!

Where the process really helps is weight savings. a cryo dipped steel rod can be have as then as a normal rod, and hold twice it's weigth before sheering.

'eh, I've been drinking again, so don't listen to me. ;)

Cryo-stress relieving works as does vibra-stress relieving b/c I think they both got started with Military/Space applications?

But NOT to the 120mpg he is talking about level...

But I have read somewhere that you can cyro-stress relieve things like "Good New" razors and they will cut like three times longer!! AND I think one of the shaver makers is putting it in production just for this life increase??

pdq67

Does that mean I can throw away the little pyramid I store my Bic razors in? :D