http://www.showdownmusclecars.com/inventory/C66L

Nice car! Anybody see any issues or red flags?

Think it's Numbers Matching or JUST numbers Correct?



Mike

Is this a test and am I going to get graded? :confused:

Definitely a nice car. But I guess if we are trying to get technical... the Tonawanda sticker shouldn't be there. And that fuel filter. Flowmasters weren't an option in '66 (or am I getting to pickey here?).

How did I do?

Is this a test and am I going to get graded? :confused:

(or am I getting to pickey here?).

NO SUCH THING :)

How did I do?

You did well, but that's a very short list.....

Diplomas get handed out in JUNE!

Ahh crap... thats what I get for sleeping in class :D

Am I being too picky when I say - "All that really matters is the fact it's Marina Blue" :D :thumbsup:

Spark plug heatshields and my favorite, the air cleaner, and I always love the ever present crayon markings on the firewall. Fan shroud and fan. Not exactly sure about the windshield squirters???


Rocky

The protectoplate indicates it is a 325HP 4-spd car. The engine has an air cleaner with a 360HP label, and the air cleaner is not correct for either 325HP or 360HP. I don't see any casting number information in the text or photos to make a determination on the engine rear or transmission originality. The carburetor has a dual inlet so it is not a correct number carburetor. The harness connector for the back-up light switch is present on the firewall but it has no harness to the transmission. There is just too much to list on this car. I give up; I don't have enough time to play today.:)

Bruce

I am glad to see some of my Star Students have been paying attention in class :D


but you are right Bruce.. the list is long, not saying it was a frame off to correct specs resto., but the car has a hefty price tag on it.. and the seller only uses the words CORRECT when asked about the car....so, one has to get picky IMO.

MC

ED is a 325hp engine code not the 360hp.
The original transmission was a 3sp mt. Per the trim tag and the paperwork.
The W+ is changed to P+ on the POP to show 4sp

Rene

Here's a stab:
Wrong air cleaner!!!
fuel filter and line
temp sender (should be nail head)
rear engine ground strap in wrong location
wrong alternator fan and colour
Tonanwanda sticker not required
striped heater hose
wiring gutter in wrong spot
wrong rad
shroud looks alittle thick!

Rene,

I was looking at the transmission code on the POP and it did look funny, and also the trim tag has a 2B and not 2L. You are right, it was originally a 3-spd.

Bruce

All I have time for is.......

Air cleaner - natch.
Hinges appear too silver
Battery tag shouldn't be there
fuel filter and line, of course
Fender to firewall bolts shouldn't be body color
Tonowanda sticker
Vac advance hose wrong
upper alt bracket paint looks too flat
bolts attaching upper aly bracket to block/manifold wrong finish
Incorrect throttle return spring (should be black - I think)
Radiator isn't a Harrison
Master cyl cap appears to be painted - incorrect finish
Wrong oil pressure line - too many coils in it
Exhaust manifolds - wrong finish
Looks like the wrong style of temp sender - body looks too tall
Rubber valve cover gaskets

Dan

I noticed a few other things...

67+ mag wheel covers

"396 Flags" too low

Vent line painted with "spatter"

copper oil line with too many coils

Completely wrong radiator, cap should be off to the side

wrong throttle spring (not only color, but coils are too small diameter)

wrong routing of wiring harness (engine compartment on drivers inner fender (should be hidden)

wrong tailshaft on trans (drivers-side speedo outlet)

DON'T FORGET THE BATTERY!


and that Posi Tag on rear is wrong. Tires are wrong size. Washer squirters are not through the rubber at cowl area. Sticker on door...splash pan above bumper color..dipstick incorrect and it's holder is painted orange..

ED is a 325hp engine code not the 360hp.
The original transmission was a 3sp mt. Per the trim tag and the paperwork.
The W+ is changed to P+ on the POP to show 4sp

Rene

Sure looks like the POP was altered or disguised to show a "P" for trans type and when you mirror the image so you can read everything correctly, the "P" is backwards. :clonk:

The original letter looks like "H" which would be correct for a Muncie HD 3-spd that would have been standard on a SS anyway. And as stated, the body tag shows a 3-spd as well.

Thought it was funny how there are pictures of the sales reciepts and other misc junk, yet NO closeup of the Window Sticker (it can be seen on the bulletin board, and partially in some pictures)...

THE car is very good looking,even with the incorrect things its very nice,makes mine look like junk,but I do have a question,the vin tag was removed and replaced for painting! thats plain to see,my question,being Im being schooled here is..

Were the vin tags painted over at the factory,or clean of paint like this 1966??

sounds like a dumb question,but please enlighten me!!!

yes my spelling still sucks----67rat

Clean of paint!

Radio Ant. is aftermarket not orig. rubber is missing at front of windshield cowl. Vin rivets look stock to me. my 65 vin plate was not painted just like this one.

THE car is very good looking,even with the incorrect things its very nice

True, it looks very nice, but with all the inconsistancies AND the low option (325 HP, 3-speed), is it WORTH anywhere near the $48K+ they are asking? IMO, NO!!!...

Hard to tell in the photos, but I think maybe the guages aren't original (and maybe the tach? I doubt the car came with the mag caps either... JMO...

I emailed the seller, and asked a few questions (not bashing him)... I have yet to get a reply... Its a dealer, figures :rolleyes:

Yeah and I noticed the tire valve stem caps were screwed on 1/4 turn too much except on the right rear wheel where it needed another 1/8 turn to be in the correct spot.

It is a dealer what do you expect. it is overpriced I agree.
and yes some of the details are not correct, as all of you have enjoyed pointing out. So buyer beware.
But why is it so important for you guys to flex your knowledge and bash every car that is not 100% correct. I would hate to ever share photos of my car with you guys do to the upper alternator bracket paint might not be the correct sheen or ???????
I appreciate any really stock appearing muscle car, but you guys are taking this stuff way over the top. the cars being restored today are Over detailed, and were never that nice when they were new.

Anyway nobody will be buying that car any time soon. the price is too high.
if somebody does, well, ........let them be happy about it, they obviously have the money and like the car.

I think 30 grand would be a good fair price,never said it is worth what hes askin,I do think its a very respectable chevelle!but not for 40 some grand,its getting out of hand,BUT ,SOME OVER PAYED CEO WITH TO MUCH LUTE WILL GRAB IT!!!!,ya all know that!!! Im not one to pick cars apart if the price is fair.
but remember,pictures lie,only way to look is up close and personal!!thats it and thats that--JMO--67RAT

Nobody is trying to flex there knowledge, nor are we trying to bash anybodys car. these posts are for educational reasons!! IF we didn't discuss what is correct and what is not, before long a 66 SS will come with a Six cyl engines, tachs mounted on the steering column, you see where I'm going with this....education is the only thing that will keep us knowing what is right and what is not on our cars!

I look at it as trying to help the unknowing/uneducated from getting hammered when they buy a so called correct car!
I was one of the Judges who judged the 66 class at the ACES Mid America Regionals Two years ago, and I for one enjoy learning what is correct! You might even look at what we have posted some day and keep someone or yourself from getting hosed on a car deal.


Rocky

what about the radio bezel and knobs? They look incorrect to me.

the dust sheilds for the A-arms are missing, or hidden from view.


he should ask the original price too...;)

Incorrect Jack mast, looks also to be stored in the incorrect location. Color of the Spare hold down is incorrect (should'nt it be grey)?

Nobody is trying to flex there knowledge, nor are we trying to bash anybodys car. these posts are for educational reasons!! IF we didn't discuss what is correct and what is not, before long a 66 SS will come with a Six cyl engines, tachs mounted on the steering column, you see where I'm going with this....education is the only thing that will keep us knowing what is right and what is not on our cars!

I look at it as trying to help the unknowing/uneducated from getting hammered when they buy a so called correct car!
I was one of the Judges who judged the 66 class at the ACES Mid America Regionals Two years ago, and I for one enjoy learning what is correct! You might even look at what we have posted some day and keep someone or yourself from getting hosed on a car deal.


Rocky

Actually you can get a six cylinder 66 SS, if it was built in Canada. I also think that the tach would not mount to the steering column very well.
nope I do not agree this is for educational purposes.
I do agree that it is important to distinguish the parts of the car that identify the car as a real SS. and as far the details go (like where the tach mounts)
well all that can be researched or look at original dealer literature or what ever.............
I am tired of the "experts" pointing out every little flaw on every car they see. I don't care if there are too many coils in the copper oil line or if the alternator bracket is'nt 100% correct in color. I have clicked on the link of your 66 and have looked at the pictures of the engine bay on your car. I think you should not be the one criticizing any other chevelle for wrong details. or should I start listing stuff that is wrong on your car, like everyone else has done on this post here?? There is no such thing as a perfect restoration, some cars are nicer than others and I can appreciate a nice car even if the details are not 100% correct.

Yes and those pictures were taken 6 years ago, and many many changes have happened to my car! Point is we were talking about the car for sale not mine, My car is not perfect nor have I ever claimed it to be, but if your so inclined please come to the ACES Mid America Regionals in August and then you can pick on my car! It's a pretty short list thats not correct on my car now!

But I never had my car for sale telling the world what a perfect and original restoration it is either. If you don't like people talking about whats wrong with a car thats for sale on the internet, maybe you shouldn't read these posts, as it seems to upset you so!


Rocky

Yes and those pictures were taken 6 years ago, and many many changes have happened to my car! Point is we were talking about the car for sale not mine, My car is not perfect nor have I ever claimed it to be, but if your so inclined please come to the ACES Mid America Regionals in August and then you can pick on my car! It's a pretty short list thats not correct on my car now!

But I never had my car for sale telling the world what a perfect and original restoration it is either. If you don't like people talking about whats wrong with a car thats for sale on the internet, maybe you shouldn't read these posts, as it seems to upset you so!


Rocky

Sorry but I am not interested in picking apart your car, I just like to pick on people who pick on other peoples cars. and no I am not upset, I just think you guys are a little rediculous the way you scrutinize cars that are not your own. I am sure your car is nice, but it doesn't matter what I think, as long as you like it.

Droptop, If this type of topic doesn't interest you, why are you even participating?....except maybe to rile people up, which seems to be your agenda. Do you go to the video store and mock people that don't like the same movies that you do? I hope not. Same goes here. No one is getting hurt and it's something that we "original restored" guys like to do to educate eachother. There are plenty of topics on this forum that don't interest me and I just don't even read them but I understand that others enjoy that discussion. There's room for everyone. Find what you like and leave the others alone. :beers:

Incorrect Jack mast, looks also to be stored in the incorrect location. Color of the Spare hold down is incorrect (should'nt it be grey)?

Yes, not stored in correct location. Hold down should be a Dove Grey...

Good eye ;)

Mike,

Isn't the dipstick tube supposed to be plain, not painted?


Rocky

Yes, Rocky.. I think I added that after one of my first replies.


MC

Ah yes, post number 14. didn't see it until I went back and reread.



Rocky

it's something that we "original restored" guys like to do to educate eachother.

Call it what you want.
but this "Original Restored Guy" still thinks you guys have taken it too far.
But I won't post on this thread if it is going to hurt your feelings.
I suppose my opinion shouldn't be heard because it is not the same as your opinion, but then again if it was the same as yours, you would be all happy and delighted.
So is there some sort of secret handshake for the "original restored" club, that you guys seem to be protecting from obtrusive opinions?

We all know what your opinion is. What are you trying to accomplish now? :confused:

Mr Droptop, or whatever your real name is? Mine is Mike Crown... do me favor. if you don't like the channel, turn it to another channel. I could care less, if you don't like what is being shown on this station. At this particular time, this is my Station.. MY POST. and yes, your opinion is valid here, but I didn't post this for opinions on whether anyone thought we were going to far or whether there is a need for it... we have had those discussions many times and long before you discovered this site....

You say a person should do research if they want to know these things? HUH? Where do you think most of the research comes from these days?? Right here at TEAM CHEVELLE... so many people with great knowledge and experience willing to share, all in an effort to HELP another person not get burned when buying a car or restoring their car. Many of the people responding here on this post will be the first to tell you, they know what they know from reading posts just like this one... things they did not know two years ago and now they feel like they actually know more about their own car because of what they read here at Team Chevelle in a Forum designed for US.. guys who prefer the DETAILS... we were sick and tired of guys like you bustin chops for what is anal many times... so we designed a special forum so those that didn't agree with our way of thinking, didn't have to get their panties in a wad! If you don't need the education, that's great, but many do, many want the information... why paint your spare tire holder black only to later find out the originals were painted grey and then have to do it again.. money spent twice!

Would you go to a U2 concert if you didn't like their music? No, of course not, so why would you chime in here if you don't agree with the premise??

Hell, this car may not even be a numbers matching car.... BUYER BEWARE!! You bet, and how can the buyer beware if they don't know what to look for?? Where should one do their research? Do you have a good book everyone should read so they know what to look for when buying a Chevelle, or a book that will tell someone what is correct and what isn't when restoring their Chevelle?? If you do, please let me in on it, so I can buy one.

I don't expect everyone to want to restore their car to factory standards or in some cases,,, Better than factory... but if they desire that, then I say... go for it... but you might as well do it right the first time!!

and for the record, we never discuss or point out incorrect things on cars that are not FOR SALE. I would never consider clicking on Rocky's link or anyone else and then just pointing out incorrect things,, not for Educational purposes or any other purpose.. that would be rude and inconsiderate... we have had many of our members post photos of their cars and specifically ask for evaluation, no holding back and we do and they Thank us.... but these cars, like this one.. IT"S FOR SALE on the open web... and that's a perfect chance for US ORIGINAL RESTORED GUYS to use a real life example to learn stuff. I know for Fact that many guys here are in the middle of restoring their car to OR status, and will now have a better knowledge base than they had prior to such a post. Is this flexing some kind of expert muscle.... many may see it that way, we all like to, on occassion to show what we know, that's natural... but trust me, having been here since 1999, that is not what sharing information here is about.. certainly not on my part... If I wanted to flex my muscles about what I know or don't know, I would have listed each and every item on my initial post... but instead, we have tended to post a car and make it into a game of sorts... no ill will intended.. just a fun way of learning.

Come on down to the Maryland Chevellle Club ACES Northeast Regional in June, and I will be sure to show you the SECRET HANDSHAKE....

Mike

Come on down to the Maryland Chevellle Club ACES Northeast Regional in June, and I will be sure to show you the SECRET HANDSHAKE....

Mike

I would swing by if I lived closer, thanks for the invite.
OH BROTHER!

And for the record, we never discuss or point out incorrect things on cars that are not FOR SALE. I would never consider clicking on Rocky's link or anyone else and then just pointing out incorrect things,, not for Educational purposes or any other purpose.. that would be rude and inconsiderate... we have had many of our members post photos of their cars and specifically ask for evaluation, no holding back and we do and they Thank us....

Come on down to the Maryland Chevellle Club ACES Northeast Regional in June, and I will be sure to show you the SECRET HANDSHAKE....

Mike

I contacted Mike when I was looking to purchase my Chevelle. He was very kind, and pointed out what was right (and wrong) with my car...only after I asked.

He, and many others here have tremendous knowledge which is here for the "new" and potential owners to tap into at any time. I for one am happy that this site is here...as I've already posted many questions about my Chevelle...and got answers almost instantly!

Even after Mike 'critiqued' my car...his last comment was....NICE CAR!

Finally, I can appreciate people like Mike who did a fabulous job CORRECTLY restoring his Chevelle...mine will never be like his...as I enjoy driving it too much! That doesn't mean that 'he's over the top' when it comes to Chevelles, it means that he's the first person I contact when I have a question/issue with mine!

Thanks Team Chevelle for being here...and Mike, thanks for all of your knowledge sharing.

I, for one, happen to appreciate these kind of threads. While I'm no amateur, I'm not as knowledgeable Chevy-wise as I'd like to be (but I'm getting there).

...and for the record, we never discuss or point out incorrect things on cars that are not FOR SALE... IT"S FOR SALE on the open web... and that's a perfect chance for US ORIGINAL RESTORED GUYS to use a real life example to learn stuff...
Mike

And its NOT ONLY "FOR SALE", its pretty much being passed off as "correct"...

I emailed, and got this reply:
Soory for the delay in getting back with you. This vehicle is a REAL 360hp Car, with FULL DOCUMENTATION. The carburetor is correct . . . fuel line was changed by original owner who added the filter. Car was built as a four speed . . . still has a four speed . . . build sheet denotes four speed. Wheel covers are correct . . . Option N96 "Mag Style Wheel Covers" with 10,814 sets of these wheel covers made. Air cleaner is NOT correct in the photo, original is still with the car. This air cleaner was put on the car as it looks "Cool". . . that is the only reason, but again, original air cleaner is still going with the car. Gauges are ORIGINAL gauges that came with the car . . . not reproduction. The Tach is a Sun tachometer, which was not installed at factory, but is correct for era.

For $49,000 you WILL be getting a 1966 FUlly Documented 396/360hp car. A car with this much documentation is hard to come buy. With all of the cars we have sold over the past 15 years, this one has more than we have EVER come across.

Here is a direct link to the vehicle, in case you did not view the car on our website.

http://www.showdownmusclecars.com/inventory/C66L

If you have any furhter question, just let us know. Thanks

Cathy Gandee
Showdown Muscle Cars
Super Sport Auto Sales
www.showdownmusclecars.com

Of course, I replied, telling her about the wheel covers, engine code (ED), trans, carb, etc...

I asked for a photo of the window sticker, and one of the carb (without the aircleaner)...

It remains to be seen IF I will get any additional info...

Tony, I asked for any proof that the car was numbers matching over a week ago and I haven't heard back.

I learn more stuff from these education cars that I can hardly wait till I see Mikes next one.

Front wiring harness is ran on the outside of the inner fender.

If the engine is a ED code with a Holley intake and carb. the engine code should be EDH like my 66. Also the intake should have Holley writen on it I didn,t see that in the pictures.