I asked a respected supplier of ours this

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>How much are your full factory style quarters for a 68
&gt; Chevelle?,drivers side. How about 69 quarters if you
&gt; don't have 68's.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They replied

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Wedo not sell Goodmark if anything else is available. These are not
available anywhere. The only quarters available are skins and GOODMARK
does not make them. Goodmark is only an importer that has their parts
shipped to them from Tiawan just like everyone else and they pay a
royality to GM to put GM restoration on the part to make it sound like
it is better than everyone else. Same parts, Same manufactorer<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goodmark does sell parts made by others.Quarter SKINS(not full quarters)and Camaro door shells to name a few.BUT they make the full quarters and hoods.I beleive they have good quality control.If they make it it should fit.If someone else makes it and they sell it,it should fit.

Man oh Man! you got out a big stir stick on this one. I'm sure you'll have alot of responses. I seen alot of posts on here with nothing but praise for the Goodmark brand, so thats what I went looking for. After I picked up my full quarter, and got it home I noticed the name in small print DYNACORN?????? I asked for a Goodmark http://www.chevelles.com/forum/mad.gif. I called and complained to which they offered a refund if I want to drive the 110 miles again. The quality looks okay, but the true test is yet to come. I've decided I'll wait it out and see how it does, and I'll pay back the supplier by never shopping there again. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I couldn't tell much from the pics but here's the link

Dynacorn (http://dynacorn.com)



[This message has been edited by supersport396_2000 (edited 06-18-2002).]

Proceed with caution!!! I have a Dynacorn hood that I am extremely disappointed in.

Lance

i recently installed a 66 passenger side full quarter from goodmark,they have just became available for this model,so i was a little concerned,but i can honestly say from my experience it fit exceptionately well,i was really pleased.when i recieved the quarter it was boxed in a goodmark box,and it was clearly labeled as one.i also have the inner fenders but i havent got that far along.so we'll see how they fit

I was told the exact same thing by Roger Ausley about a year and a half ago. They're just an importer like everyone else.

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Mark
1970 SS454 LS6 (nom)
TH400/4.10 posi
Formerly Cranberry Red now War Bonnet Yellow
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"Fight Apathy - the disease no one cares about."

I recently purchased some trunk floor parts from a large parts supplier (not Goodmark) and promptly returned them after opening the box, extremely poor quality. There was wrinkle or "pucker" marks from nearly every embossed corner. I called Goodmark and got the same parts from them, the difference in quality was like night and day. I did read in their catalog that their parts are manufactured overseas (I think it said China) and that their dies for pressing the parts were of higher quality that alot of the others. I would have to say from what I've seen (just this one case) they have good stuff.

Jeff

I haven't yet purchased from Goodmark, but just the fact that they OFFER a factory full quarter for my '67 (as opposed to the 80-95% quarters you see reproduced elsewhere) seems to separate them from the rest of the "importers". Yes if possible I like to get all my parts from N. American sources, but if even GM no longer finds it economically feasible, who am I to question Goodmark, so long as their quality is maintained?

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Rod

67 396
SS clone

Daddy's Red Car (http://www.geocities.com/rthlc/index)

I just got 2 fenders for my 72 chevelle. On the inside,I found a sticker that said made in Taiwan.?!?!?!?!? The seller said these were goodmark fenders,is that possible or are they a cheap knockoff? He said he bought them from Jegs,but I am not certain. I have not tried to mount them,but I wanted to check before the installation. Jegs doesn't sell goodmark fenders or do they? If anyone has some info,please reply

WHEN I WENT TO BUY A TAIL PANEL FOR MY 70 AT YEAR ONE they said it was a "4" their rating system!!!!!!! he also said that goodmark makes um and that theirs(goodmarks) will fit better.... this from a salesman at another surplier............... thet being yearone...
they are imported parts but they are not the same...
it's not parts are parts...
a vender had both cowl hoods out for sale.. one from gookmark, one from a vender i never hear of...
they where night and day .... they are not all the same parts reboxed with a co. name.... some maybe but not all.....

If you think Goodmark means Made in the USA you are fooling yourself,BIGTIME!.
If its coated in EDP (black coating) it's Tiawan. Goodmark Does sell good quality stuff most of the time, IF its something they own the tooling on and have control over. Don't forget they don't make everything they sell, just like other supplier, they may sell the only thing thats available and sometimes the quality may suffer. This hold true to all manufactures who also sell retail.

I thought Goodmark qtrs were made on GM molds but with Tiawan metel
just my 2cents??????

I just installed a driverside NOS 1/4 and a goodmark passenger side 1/4 on my 66 chevelle. I can tell you first hand the goodmark panel was not made as good as the GM. The bends were not as sharp as GM (on all the body lines) you have to rework around the taillight, to make the extention housing fit. I just got another passenger 1/4 panel from Ausleys (this time) and it was exact in every flaw like the goodmark. I would bet it came from the same press. Even the NOS panels that are out there (unless they are 25 years old) are also a lighter gauge then orignal.

My new goodmark door shells for my 70 both said made in Tiawan. Most of all the Goodmark stuff is made overseas.

Here is a quote from one of the Larger parts houses (NPD), which I assume is true throughout the Suppliers.

> > > Hi Todd,> > We carry BOTH the U.S.-made and the imported floor pans, giving our> customers the choice (some customers still insist on using U.S. or> Canadian made whenever possible, regardless of the fact that some> imported items are sometimes superior).> > First off, I've got to explain what seems to be a huge misperception> within the hobby. Goodmark is not a manufacturer per se. They do not> "make" their 4032-500-68(L/R) floor pans in-house. They buy them from a> factory overseas (just like we do), and have them shipped-in on> container-loads (just like we do). We both carry the same pan. We just> buy ours direct in-bulk, for obviously a better price, rather than> buying the same pan for more money from a wholesale distributor like> Goodmark. In this instance, we use Goodmark as a secondary back-up> source for the pans, should we for any reason run-out of stock waiting> for a container from our primary source overseas.> > Goodmark DOES, in some instances, own the tooling, or own the rights to> the tooling for a period of time, for certain parts, making them> in-effect "exclusive" Goodmark products. In those cases, where we are> unable to obtain these products directly from the manufacturers due to> Goodmark's exclusive rights, THEN we source those items to Goodmark.> Then, and only then, is an item accurately described as being a "Goodmark exclusive part". The problem is, that most of the hobby> assumes that EVERYTHING that has a Goodmark sticker on it is a "Goodmark exclusive part", which is a fallacy. Kudos to Goodmark for doing such a> good job of marketing their brand. I'm not criticizing them at all, I'm> just shining a light on what is so commonly misunderstood by restorers> and hobbyists.> > So, in conclusion, we have plenty of the pans you are seeking (the same> pan that is pictured on the link you sent me) in-stock, ready to ship,> under NPD part #'s C-12900-101A and C-12900-102A, @ $69.95/each. Call> the NPD nearest you to order.> > Thanks, and Happy Holidays!!> > NPD>

Needless to say, the pan's are different.... :clonk: :confused: The pan from NPD does not have nearly to same amount of material on the tunnel. It did fit well, but still not the same. I am/was not to worried because I know that I will have to cut out the tunnel area and custom fab something to fit the tranny in it.. But it did extend well into the toeboard area like the Goodmarks, so maybe the Goodmark pic is a prototype? Not sure..

Link to Goodmark Pic (http://goodmarkindustries.com/grphx/GM%20Car%20Photos/4032-500-68LR.jpg)

-Todd

I just got 2 fenders for my 72 chevelle. On the inside,I found a sticker that said made in Taiwan.?!?!?!?!? The seller said these were goodmark fenders,is that possible or are they a cheap knockoff? He said he bought them from Jegs,but I am not certain. I have not tried to mount them,but I wanted to check before the installation. Jegs doesn't sell goodmark fenders or do they? If anyone has some info,please reply

The guy you bought them from did not FIB to you. All Chevelle fenders are made by Golden Legion in TAIWAN - Goodmark is a DISTRIBUTOR. The same people Goodmark buys from is the same everyone else buys from they just ask Golden Legion to pack them in Goodmark (THEIR) boxes/ packaging. Jegs DOES sell Goodmark fenders and on page 223 you will see them in their new mag. They are $349.99 each for a '71 or '72.

I work for a faucet manufacturer..... We buy A LOT of faucets from a company in China..... The name of the company is "XYZ". That company "XYZ" makes a TON of faucets for Delta Faucet, Moen, Price Fister and a lot of private brands that HOME DEPOT and LOWES call "their" brands. Guess what?? They are all made by "XYZ" just packed per the customers requirements. Many domestic companys find a manufacturer in China, check their quality, capacity, etc and then send specs/ info on how they want them packed. Why are Goodmark more expensive???? One - they MAY have a higher quality requirement (more inspections) and - Two - they have major $$$$ in advertisement/ marketing costs. These companies in China (Asia) could care less what the boxes/ packaging says as long as they sell PRODUCT..... You may ask, "How do you know this ??"..... I've been to the plant and seen all of the competitors packaging/ boxes, FIRSTHAND.....

Will Goodmark fenders fit better then others??? I don't know, but I can tell you the two you have fit GM doors and a GM cowl hood very good for REPRODUCTION fenders.

I hope you made it home ok.............. :confused:

FWIW, the only place I know of that makes sheetmetal stuff in this country is a company called Sherman. They were the only place that had a lot of the metal for my 69 Charger that I needed and I have to say, what I have gotten so far fits nice. I got "Goodmark" quarters for the Charger also, all they are is reboxed Dynacorn pieces which are reboxed Golden Legion parts. The fit was ok, but not great, the thickness was half of what the original metal was.

Lot of confusion going on here, eh? Maybe I can help, or maybe I can confuse everyone a little more. I have known the managing owner of Goodmark since before he started the company. He worked previously at Year One. As has been previously posted, Goodmark actually does not own any manufactoring facilities. They own tooling, manufactoring rights, and are major distribrutor. They have been responsible for bringing ton's of new reproduction parts and sheetmetal to the market over the last 20 years. I remember visiting their first small building in Tucker, GA when the shelves were bare. Now they are in their 3rd location, contemplating another move. They do have Golden Legion manufacture a lot of their sheet metal, and also buy a lot of other sheet metal from them, as does Dynacorn. They also have a business relationship with Golden Legion. Even though Dynacorn is a competitor, they have in the past had a business relationship with them also. I am not sure that it still exists there. One thing about the guys at Goodmark, they are true Car Guys!

Thanks for the input, I often wondered about the Goodmark stuff. Alot of responses make sense, two questions. Is there any body making body panels in the USA and who is Sherman. Thanks

a friend of mine bought goodmark fenders for his 70 a couple years ago.. there was a gap big enough to stick your fingers in about halfway down the door.. when he called.. they said they knew they had a stamping issue but sold them anyway.. he already jammed them.. they wouldnt take them back.. ended up being $600 patch panels

Hi All,

I might get razzed for this, but I had to put in my $0.02

I am on a budget, so I had to opt for the less expensive Golden Legion panels, and I was not disapointed in the quality. In fact I am impressed with the quality of the panels for the price. I have seen the "GM" certified panels, and yes they are slightly thicker, they look like better quality but I can't vouch for the fit as I've never installed one.

The Golden Legion aren't bad, so anyone that thinks they MUST have the $599-650 dollar panels should give it serious thought before dumping the extra money they could be using for other parts and :beers:. Regardless of the vendor, they will all need some tweaking to fit the car. Every car is slightly different they were originally assembled on big jigs, plus any car that has been damaged in a previous accident (like mine) will need some tweaking.

Here's mine...

There are a few area's that will need some minor convincing to get just perfect, but if you can go from this:
http://mysite.verizon.net/kyleburnett/before.jpg

There are 5 panels welded with Brass to make the quarter. It's what I found when I stripped it down. I was surprised, because it actually looked good with 30 lbs of bondo before I stripped it.

To this... Mind you it's not welded yet!

http://mysite.verizon.net/kyleburnett/after1.jpg
and...
http://mysite.verizon.net/kyleburnett/after2.jpg

I don't see anything wrong with the cheaper panels that get classified as "lower quality". Especially when your going from a pile of unusable, rusty, bondo filled junk to usable panels...

All I'm saying is at least there is a less expensive, but still acceptable quality level product for the budget minded.

Kyle

Comments, not arguments:

1.) GM did this better back in the day. I don't know if anyone can afford to do it that well now.

2.) I knew less about this when I bought my sheet metal than I do now. As a result, I did not pick the best parts I could have. As a result, I spent more fixing it than I would have if I bought "smarter" to begin with.

3.) All of the following may or may not have much to do with absolute quality.

4.) Owning the original dies does not equal owning original presses. Presses have a lot to do with how many wrinkles and how may creases in the sheet metal.

5.) A manufacturer may not own the factory that makes a part, but the part can still be exclusively theirs. They have a contract supplier but they would still own the spec, the tooling and the quality control. The contract supplier may, in turn, build a similar but not identical part under their own brand. This is very common today regardless of the industry or the home country of the manufacturer.

6.) A manufacturer is different from a distributor is different from a manufacturer's rep. Company "A" could manufacture parts to their spec and then sell under their own Brand "A" (per above) and also distribute parts from Company B and promote that these are offered by company A , which isn't quite the same as brand "A" but "feels" the same to the consumer -- very confusing.

6.) A manufacturer is different from a distributor is different from a manufacturer's rep. Company "A" could manufacture parts to their spec and then sell under their own Brand "A" (per above) and also distribute parts from Company B and promote that these are offered by company A , which isn't quite the same as brand "A" but "feels" the same to the consumer -- very confusing.

Yep, now im confused. Doesn't matter though, I'm just happy as a pig in #$%@ to have new panels to install.

People will just have to make thier own edumacageted decisions on purchases.

Here are a couple responses I got through email from Goodmark to a couple questions I had about their 70-72 Chevelle 1/4 panels.
They may be telling the truth about the GM tooling panels being made in Detroit by an OE stamper because I remember there was a thread awhile ago on here about these panels and someone said that they were at one of the stamping companys there and they personally saw 70-72 Chevelle 1/4's being stamped.



The “701L / R” is made overseas…the “70L / R” is made in the USA off original GM tooling. The quality of both is good, but the original GM is a little more defined on the upper body crease. The metal used is a little thicker than the last run because we refurbished the tooling.



Goodmark


The quarters from the original tooling are in white boxes with the GM Restoration Parts logo on the box. These are stamped in Detroit by an OE stamper. The import panels are stamped in Taiwan by Golden Legion.



Goodmark

Anyone know the thickness of the "OE Tooling" panels?

Thanks,
Todd

Here are a couple responses I got through email from Goodmark to a couple questions I had about their 70-72 Chevelle 1/4 panels.
They may be telling the truth about the GM tooling panels being made in Detroit by an OE stamper because I remember there was a thread awhile ago on here about these panels and someone said that they were at one of the stamping companys there and they personally saw 70-72 Chevelle 1/4's being stamped.



The “701L / R” is made overseas…the “70L / R” is made in the USA off original GM tooling. The quality of both is good, but the original GM is a little more defined on the upper body crease. The metal used is a little thicker than the last run because we refurbished the tooling.



Goodmark


The quarters from the original tooling are in white boxes with the GM Restoration Parts logo on the box. These are stamped in Detroit by an OE stamper. The import panels are stamped in Taiwan by Golden Legion.



Goodmark

WELL That means the white box part is better...
heee yaaa