: Paint Brands ! DuPont / Sherwin Williams?
CDN SS Jul 3rd, 03, 10:34 AM Shop getting close to painting my 66 BCCC..... They use Sherwin Williams paint almost exclusively I had hoped they would use Dupont to replicate the original color as supplied by Dupont ......they assure me the quality is comprable........ should I be concerned ? If I absolutely insist they will use DuPont but I don't want to to be a PIA
Can anyone comment on difference of these two Brands.
d1_bradley Jul 3rd, 03, 12:40 PM I would let them use what THEY are comfortable with. If you're stuck DuPont, find a shop that uses DuPont. Every painter has his or her favorite and usually do a better job when they know the product mixing rules, etc.
There is nothing wrong with any of the major paint brands. I use Dupont only, but the body shop that I take my drivers to uses Spies/Hecker and it has always matched perfectly. However when I had them fix my right fender they used Dupont on it so that the metallic would match better. I would let them use whatever they feel most comfortable using. There is not going to be any noticable difference in the 1970 Dupont paint to what you have them spray. And unless you are having them use lacquer instead of a BC/CC job you are not going to be exactly as from the factoy anyway.
sevt_chevelle Jul 3rd, 03, 5:42 PM Let the shop use what they prefer, you start using different products thats when you get problems.
Products can and do spray differently from brand to brand. And even clears from the same company spray differently. For ex PPG's 2082 clear sprays differnetly then 2055, and so does 2042. Not all clears spray and flow out the same way.
When using modern BC its very hard to get the "factory" look of lacquer paint because of the different paint techn between the two.
MARTINSR Jul 3rd, 03, 11:41 PM Let me clear up the whole color issue. Dupont maybe provided the color back then but that is NOT the color you would have today. No company that I know know of is spending the time to hand match the colors on these old cars. They are "computer matched". This is not with a spectrometer like at the paint store but a software program that converts the old acrylic enamal or lacquer forumula over to modern BC/Cc.
These colors are NOT exact color matches. Be it S-W, DuPont, PPG or whom ever, they are going to be "close" but not exact.
That Dupont Chomabase conversion is going to be "close" to the original color just like the others.
CDN SS Jul 4th, 03, 9:25 AM Thanks for your replies Guys I really appreciate it,
So what I hear you saying is from a quality of paint perspective I should not be concerned about using SW over Dupont especially since my painter is familar with this brand ......... the color match issue I understood fully ( old lacquer to new BCCC) actually my painter will have the SW rep involved in making up samples of my original color for the best possible match the rep seems to be interested in helping with this, I really have no reason not to go SW
... I pbly did not word my original question properly ...... I was more concerned that SW paint would not have the quality of finish as my perception of the Dupont product. Or more bluntly my painter wanted to use SW because it is cheaper!! pbly is same price of Dupont for all I know??
MARTINSR Jul 4th, 03, 11:42 AM The prices are very close so that shouldn't be a reason. IF, the products you are comparing are APPLES TO APPLES. If the shop were to use S-W "Refinisher Select" or "Dimension" products then that would not be Apples to Apples, High end DuPont would be better. Likewise, it they were to be comparing DuPonts "NASON" products with S-W top of the line, again, the S-W would be far superior.
This is a very dangerous road to go down. I hear all the time on these forums where the user will be refering to the "PPG" paint products he is working with and then when push comes to shove it ends up being PPG's "value line" "OMNI". OMNI and PPG high end are NOT the same. It is a shame that the line has gotten so blured.
If I am not mistaken "PPG" isn't even on the label! I know we are talking about DuPOnt and S-W but the DuPont site isn't very friendly to me so I will use PPG as an example.
This is the discription give for PPG's DELTRON on their web site.
PPG's Deltron Basecoat line offers a choice of two systems to meet the stringent demands for quality, color match and productivity of collision refinish professionals
This is the discription given for OMNI.
The value-priced OMNI ä Line offers a variety of refinish technologies to meet the collision repair center's specific application requirements. You'll find OMNI products deliver a like-new finish with ease of application, fast dry times and minimal clean-up.
NOWHERE on the page is PPG mentioned! It is like a seperate company. I have never heard someone say "yeah I have a General motors F body" when chatting about Camaros. But some how people will say PPG when it is OMNI.
I tell you that so you are clear that there is a possiblity a shop will spray your car in some value line and you would never be the wiser.
Now, some of these value line products are just fine, others aren't. The point is YOU should know what is going on the car.
Walk into the paint store that sells S-W and get accustom to what the S-W labels look like. On the shelf they will also have the value lines "Refinisher Select" and possibly "Dimension" (it takes a whole new mixing bank so they may not have it).
Then go into the shop and take a look around quizing the guys. Ask to see the paint they use, if you see "Refinsher Select", "Dimension" or other labels like "Five Star", you may not want to drop your car off.
I have to reiterate, using these "value lines" in no means is THAT bad or anything. I just want you to understand what you are getting for your hard earned cash.
sevt_chevelle Jul 4th, 03, 12:00 PM Thats a great point to bring up Martin. Some of value based products are good, but most are below par IMO. Omni for example would NOT be found sprayed even on my wheelbarrow, but I do like Duponts NASON value based products.
I wasnt able to spray any S-W value products before we switched to PPG, but if I recall the topline S-W should be ultra 7000.
Martin also brought up another point ask to see what paint they use. If you happen to see 3-4 different paint labels laying around, thats never a good sign. Its like the shop is shopping around for cheaper and cheaper products so they can make more money and the customers are the last thing on their mind. But if you do happen to see a cheaper label and the topline brand, thats not a bad thing. On stuff were people dont have the CASH we'll spray a cheaper product to help lower the cost, thats the only time we break that stuff out...Eric
ELLI Jul 4th, 03, 12:47 PM I used to spray Omni on my rebuilders because it was a ton cheaper. Cheaper until I started having to shoot literally 10 coats to get the stuff to cover. I now use Nason on rebuilders, but use Chromabase on things that I care about. I will agree with waht the oters have said. Be careful with the low end lines from any company.
CDN SS Jul 4th, 03, 3:54 PM Martin ....... exactly the guidence I was looking for .....I will do my homework and make sure I compare apple to apples ... I know my painter will work with me on this I have no concerns there ..... Thanks again everyone
troy-curt Jul 4th, 03, 8:37 PM When it`s done you will never know the diff.
As long as you use a top line paint.
And a good painter. Good Luck.
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