I just experienced the absolute worst in auto transport service! Late December I found a nice big block El Camino for sale that I wanted to buy. Expensive for me at $14000 and it was out of state in KY, 2000 miles from home. The owner referred me to a 'friend' that owned a 'reliable' transport company. I called the guy (transport company owner) and he quoted me $800 to pick it up and deliver to my residence via open transport. It cost me $850 to get my ‘67 conv (found in the TC ads) from VA to So Cal, so I thought the $800 was not great but OK. I asked him if we needed a written contract to secure the transaction. He told me no, and gave me his word that $800 would be the full price due upon delivery. Asked about vehicle insurance carried, he told me there was $1 mil insurance for each car.
I proceeded with the Camino purchase on a bank line of credit, and confirmed the transport. It was to be picked up just after Christmas and on its way to me in So Cal. I was told the driver had to go to Florida and would pick it up thereafter. The Camino got picked up, however without telling me first, it was taken to So Florida. Then it was taken to Pittsburgh PA, enduring the horrible northeast storms and then over to SD. I was upset, but I had no control at that point and knew I had to hope for the best (knowing the show quality paint had no chance of survival). After nearly a month of waiting for my car, I get a message last Mon eve that it’s in Texas and would be in CA in a few days. That and a follow-on message about the oil pan had been smashed, the oil is gone and I would get a replacement pan delivered with the car. I called the driver, and he also let me know that the transport cost had been refigured and was now $1630. To keep this short, I called the co. owner, he told me it was the driver raising the price and he would talk to him about it. The driver then responded that it was the co. owner. I told them both I was not about to pay an additional $830 and was threatened with them taking the car up to SD and putting a lien on the title if I wouldn’t pay. I was not about to let that happen, so I had to borrow more money and pay by extortion. The co. owner told me “So get an attorney”.
The Camino was delivered Weds covered in a month’s worth of mud, not driveable and had grease on the new grey custom cloth interior due to the dirtbag driver’s filthiness. I refused to merely accept an oil pan for the damage and had local Sheriff come to my residence to force the driver into providing me with the insurance company info, due to the engine has to be pulled to replace the oil pan, the oil pump and pickup. It has working A/C and it’s going to be a huge task to take the whole thing apart and put everything back together.
Outside of vengeance, all I can do is file complaints with every agency that oversees interstate commerce, the co.’s local D.A., Consumer Affairs and the BBB. Hindsight is 20/20, the money will never be recovered and once again trust of anyone is destroyed. The transport co. is (deleted per request), located in Rapid City, SD. I admit to all my easily identified mistakes...please take note of them...

Wow, I'm really sorry to hear that. Go after them with both barrels, do whatever you have to in order to get this resolved. I've found in the past going through the BBB works wonders, good luck!

At the very least take them to small claims court. I would find out the limits and take it there. Make sure you document all damage get estimates on interior cleaning or replacement and so on. He will have to show up for court at the very least. Wasn’t your buddy there when you had him on speaker phone to quote you a price???? Isn’t it funny how the slime rolls out when money is involved? I wish you the best. OH, didn’t you smell alcohol on the driver???? His eyes looked weird maybe it was the pills or all the over logged hours he was driving???? What did he say duel log books???? Guess you should report that to the interstate commerce and maybe there insurance co.

wow that dose it if i ever get a dream car ill take my trailer or pick it up myself that sounds like a night mare

Iam in Rapid City, are you sure the guy even has a business? I looked in one of the phone books and dont see thats company listed,I do see a couple people with the last name Railsback if there is some way I can help you let me know buddwx@yahoo.com,I will be out of town until late in the week so keep that in mind if you email me.

Have you called the guy that sold you the car? Tell him the car was mis-represented and you are suing him and the transport company for collusion and fraud. At the very least he should know what an A-hole his buddy is. I would get a lawyer if I was you, one who will take it on a contingency. You stand to get all your money back and damages. You have already lost and can't lose anymore at this point. Fight for what is right and put this guy out of business.

Good Luck

This is why you get things in WRITING.

Still, talk to an attorney. There was definitely some conversion going on among other nefarious deeds. You should be entitled to some relief.

Good luck!

So when you signed up to be able to post here did you forget to read what you agreed to? ( I guess it is one more "mistake" by you graemlins/clonk.gif )


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I am sorry you had an issue with a shipping vendor, but please remove the company's name and info from your post. It is the rules.

Good luck on repairing your Elkie.

Maybe it's just me but I'm getting g a little tired of the "politically correct" around here. There was no misunderstanding here, or the other guys side of things. Clear cut screwed over. I applaud those who post it so I may be saved from doing business with the same company. What kind of forum are we here, I thought we were all pretty close. My family or friends wouldn't let me do business with a company that had screwed them in the past.

I completely understand about vendor bashing, sometimes things happen on an individual basis that need to be worked out quietly, like a damaged part being received or a bad reproduction. No reputable vendor would ever even think of doubling the agreed upon price then hold the product (that was already paid for) for ransom until the “robbery” took place. [off rant]

Sorry to hear about your misfortune, this country really need to step up and start taking this kind of crap seriously, it seems to be getting worse.

Originally posted by ACE841:


I am sorry you had an issue with a shipping vendor, but please remove the company's name and info from your post. It is the rules.

Good luck on repairing your Elkie. [/QUOTE]

With all due respect Jeff, I think his kind of thing needs to be posted. This issue is not about a vendor selling a product, but about a vendor selling a service. A seller and a buyer may have different ideas on what is "like new" etc, but when you are selling a service it can only be good or bad. Buyers mistake for not getting anything in writing but it pi$$es me off that you can not take anyones word anymore. 25 years ago I would have done business on nothing more than a handshake. Not any more.

..this transporter deserves to be bashed IMHO..and thanks for warning everyone,so no one else gets screwed.Buying your dream car shouldn't turn into a nightmare due to some half @ss transportation co.
believe me,freight/transportation companies are heavily insured,and this one deserves to pay and then some!! :mad:

Yes, please publish the name. I had a very similar experience getting a 1987 Buick Grand National transported from Georgia to Maryland a few months ago. The driver ran the car off the side of the ramps when unloading it, wedging it between the curb and the ramps. He then pulled the truck out from under it, and nearly ripped the nose off of the car.
When confronting the owner of the company about it, he told me that taking him to court was the only way he'd pay up. Luckily, the company I contracted with, Wheels on Wheels, helped me to get paid. The company that hauled the car was a subcontracted hauler.
Would recommend Wheels on Wheels if you need any transport work done, highly.

Nope, no vendor bashing, not here, not on Team Camaro, not anywhere, somebody might get sued. Waaaaaaaahhhhhh :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by texastornado:
Nope, no vendor bashing, not here, not on Team Camaro, not anywhere, somebody might get sued. Waaaaaaaahhhhhh :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Thats part of the reason. Did it ever occur to any of you that maybe the guy that posted this is not telling the truth? You guys are willing to NOT use that carrier based on this guys FIRST post. Maybe the guy that posted this is the owner of a rival carrier company. My point is that none of us know the truth which is yet another reason that supplier bashing is not allowed. If this is all true (and it probably is). I hope you are able to recover some of your lost money.

BTW This is not a slam at the guy that posted this but an example of why the supplier rule is in place.

edit- You might want to file a complaint here
http://www.heartlandbbb.org/search.html

ACE841 After all this man has been through you have to insult him even more. He is not bashing anybody he is trying to help prevent this happening to anyone else. You are saying it is not right to post about our members getting screwed. It sounds to me like you are trying to protect the wrong people. Why don't you try and help our team members and at least be a little compassionate to this guy. This is the U.S.A for gods sake let the people say what they have to say. Rocketqa I am sorry that this is happened to you. I had a car shipped from Miss to Ill and thank god I didn't have any problems. I didn't sign any contract and took this mans word. It worked out for me but could have easily been a mess like your in. Keep posting about this ***hole and do what ever you can to get him to make it right. Most of these type of people who do this crap know it is hard for the honest people to do anything about it. Good luck and it is too bad some people running this board are more worried about insulting the people who are wrong.

Dose this transport Co. advertise in Hemmings Motor News ? If so they are vary good at going to batt to solve problems with advertised venders and sellers.... ?

If the oil pan is missing was the car run without oil?Could be more $ problems.

But you guys are still missing the point of basis for the no bashing rule.
Not saying this is or isn't true but suppose, just suppose a story like this is not true or some of the facts have been left out for whatever reason.

What if someone gets mad at another person in business for some non business personal reasons or maybe even some competitor or just some 10 year old kid posts on every web site.

I realize y'all are assuming everything posted by someone who has never posted here before this to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but in reality, who knows for sure ?

We have no way of knowing the whole truth to things like this and Mr. W.W. Railsback has no rebuttal or chance to answer with his side of the story.

Again, I'm not doubting Rocket QA's story, just trying to explain again the reason behind our no bashing rule.

Now assuming everything IS the whole truth, you don't really need the name of the company anyway, all you need is the reminder of the facts as to why and what went wrong to keep it from happening to you and learn from another person's experience.

Just as an example, maybe get a signed contract, a certificate of insurance, recommendations, check on people you are about to do business with before hand or whatever.

Anytime we hear a horror story intended as a warning and the company name is not mentioned, we can always get it privately from the poster by email or PM which leaves Team Chevelle in the clear.

I agree we need a way to be able to avoid having the same things happen to other people but where do you draw the line ? ?

Maybe a private database with an illegal blacklist of all the different people "not do do business with' could be provided by some individual that isn't affiliated with this site and doesn't mind having having to spend much time and money on law suite litigations.

:confused:

{edit}
How do we know any new poster IS one of us?

BTW, before anyone reading this does business with or buys anything from "one of us" please email me and let me tell you what happened to me first so maybe the same thing don't happen to you.
(and we won't give the guy/gal a chance to tell his/her side of the story)

I can tell you a couple of people to be leary of.

On the other hand, this is an OPEN forum and the company can come here and give their side of the story, they won't, so as not to give anyone a chance to jump all over them. I would get an attorney and sue everyone involved with the sale. Just my opinion, this ain't no legitimate vendor. I'll reserve the rest of my opinion so as not to get it edited out of this post.

Originally posted by LeoP:
On the other hand, this is an OPEN forum and the company can come here and give their side of the story, True Leo they could IF they were aware of every post on every web site and If they even had a computer to begin with.

Just to add another point (or two), even if it's a clear cut case and you win in court, you still loose your time and money so why take the chance.
If Al had to waste all his time defending what was allowed here, he wouldn't even have time to provide this site.

If Al gets sued, all of the paying members chip in 20 bucks each and hire our own lawyer to countersue. Two can play the game. There's strength in numbers.

Have you tried to hire a lawyer lately Jerry?
you need to add a few more "zeros" I think
and how many of us do you think would contribute, and contribute, and contribute and .......
smile.gif

What about Al's time ?

One post wonder. :rolleyes:

I've got no problem with bashing, but this guy doesn't even list his e-mail addy (suspect that he's nothing but a troll). Mods have asked him to remove the name, but I bet they'll end up having to do it themselves.

How come I don't get to see post counts to aid in forming opinions about ones credibility?

Originally posted by dennis68:
How come I don't get to see post counts to aid in forming opinions about ones credibility? I've seen some people with high post counts on other sites that have no credibility, IMO. We might even have a couple here. ;)

Originally posted by dennis68:
How come I don't get to see post counts to aid in forming opinions about ones credibility? Click on the poster's name

Although really a person with 100,000 posts here and all the credibility in the world could get mad at someone for stealing their spouse or for any other reason so how would you ever know what's true?

i would never take a recommendation on transport from anyone. what happened is a very bad bad situation.

there are very respectable transportation companies and i would only use the best in the business when it comes to that kind of $$.

if anyone is not aware Fed Ex bought passport transportation service and i just sold a car to a guy in illinois who when he asked i told him to go with this company. it is best if you have to to spend some extra money and go with a big company that solely does transportation. i hope you get remedy on your sad situation. so if you guys ever need a great transportation company go with Fed Ex Passport Automotive Transportation. i neither work for them or have any connection with the company but know they are at the top of the auto transport business

I'll have to side with the mods on this one. You agree to follow their rules for using this site when you sign up for a username. They are providing a service for us to be able to share information, not get them in hot water. That goes doubly for those who gripe about the situation, and haven't even ponied up the paltry sum it takes to be a member here.

you guys are just to nice hear-i would have shot the #%$&(*% when he arrived @ my house

Originally posted by forcd ind:
you guys are just to nice hear-i would have shot the #%$&(*% when he arrived @ my house finish it;
and then go to prison for murder. smile.gif

What if the vehicle had been driven around the country by several different drivers and the actual delivery driver had nothing to do with it, would you still shoot him?

I'm sure everyone else would feel the same way but the no bashing rule has nothing to do with being nice.

Sorry about what happened... but it sounds like a good episode for one of the TV judge shows. Judge Judy, Texas Justice w/ Larry, or Peoples' Court w/ the Hottest Judge on TV. Even if you don't get a penny out of the trucking company if the judgement is in your favor the television show pays you the award up to a $5000 judgement. You get a trip out of it not to mention the national exposure on TV!

Hate to bust anyones bubble, but there
are ( dare to mention ) some very
questionable Transport Companies out
there. Last year, I bought and arranged
for over 175 cars to be shipped to
MS, NC, and Indiana. They loaded 9-10
cars on each load. At least 2 cars
were damaged on each load. Some more
serious than others but still required
body work.

Example : Uh ... I had ta woad da car
wit da folk lif cuz I cudn starts it.

Problem is, many of these cars are shipped
via Sub-contractor ( Sub-human ) and flat
out don't give a crap about anything but
getting your money.

I deal with these creeps on a weekly basis
and I'll tell you it's not pretty. they
are not paid well, beaned-up and generally
dis-gruntled. They don't care. Period.

Customer beware as always, and make sure
to get a signed contract by a reputable
bonded carrier.

Originally posted by coop8050:
i would never take a recommendation on transport from anyone. what happened is a very bad bad situation.

there are very respectable transportation companies and i would only use the best in the business when it comes to that kind of $$.

if anyone is not aware Fed Ex bought passport transportation service and i just sold a car to a guy in illinois who when he asked i told him to go with this company. it is best if you have to to spend some extra money and go with a big company that solely does transportation. i hope you get remedy on your sad situation. so if you guys ever need a great transportation company go with Fed Ex Passport Automotive Transportation. i neither work for them or have any connection with the company but know they are at the top of the auto transport business I second the vote for Passport Transport. They were the company who delivered our 70 El Camino SS 396 with no problems at all. But that is just my opinion. Im sorry to hear that you got screwed over big time with the transporter. We just sold our 71 Buick GS convert and we recommneded a couple of transportation companies out here and Passport Transport. The guy ended up going with Road Scholar (never used them before) since all of the big transport companies were out at Scottsdale, AZ for the Barrett-Jackson auction. Road Scholar is supposed to pick up the GS on Mon or Tues.

Originally posted by Dean:
Have you tried to hire a lawyer lately Jerry?
you need to add a few more "zeros" I think
and how many of us do you think would contribute, and contribute, and contribute and .......
smile.gif

What about Al's time ? Yes Dean I HAVE hired a lawyer lately AND at NJ prices! ;) How many paying members do we have? Can't run scared forever, my friend.

OK Jerry so you really think we should allow bashing, hire a cheap NJ lawyer, then we all send money to Al (since he would be the only one with any basis for a counter suite), and ask him spend all his spare time in court then.
graemlins/thumbsup.gif <--wish I could turn this upside down

Much much more simple to do it the way we are doing it.

Think about it

Ive been reading this forum for four years now and every day it gets worse and worse. It used to be a great place to share information and such, but the MODS treat this like a High School Chat Room. No doing this and no doing that. If you want to censor people make it a pay site. If you had dropped 14,000 and had your car taken all over hell you would be pissed too. JMHO..... :mad:

Ditto the mods on this. Not saying the guy didn't get a raw deal, but there are "usually" two sides to every story. Anyway, for what its worth, I used Intercity Lines and found all of them (contract rep, dispatch, and the driving crew) to be most professional and curteous. For those interested, there is a picture of the Intercity rig on my web site.

One more thing. If we don't allow someone to post there negative thoughts on a subject (Vendor) why allow positive posts. What keeps someone from posting positvie things about a vendor (It could even be the vendor posting, we don't know), then I see they supposedly had a good experience and low and behold that vendor actually sucks and I get stuck with a bad product, poor service or both. It goes both ways. I agree there are two sides of every story but if someone on this board had information on a subject and it cost you money and/or a car you would be upset.

I agree 1965 Malibu, why allow positive posts on vendors if you cant allow the negatives also,good point!!

All I can say is if y'all don't like the way this site us ran then don't pay your $20.00

I seriously doubt that anyone would sue because of good things said about them.

what you say is true, it could work both ways, someone else might not have any problems at all with the same company that was reported to be bad.

Geez. I've said it before, and I guess I'll have to say it again. I like this website. But the fact that I don't have a flag means that I'm a guest. As a guest, you have to abide by the rules, or you're shown the door. If I were to ask someone to leave their shoes by the door at my place and they bitched about it... :mad:

This thread was started by someone who hasn't even responded since they started it, and people are climbing aboard this bandwagon? Most odd.

Originally posted by 72Sprint:
I'll have to side with the mods on this one. You agree to follow their rules for using this site when you sign up for a username. They are providing a service for us to be able to share information, not get them in hot water. That goes doubly for those who gripe about the situation, and haven't even ponied up the paltry sum it takes to be a member here. I'm also sorry that this happened to Rocket QA, but have to agree with 72Sprint.

Greg

Dean the word is "SUIT" nothing "sweet(suite) about it. I see after 20 hours the mods haven't edited it yet....I do see the mods side of it, and after setting and thinking about it, they ARE right. Just giving Dean a hard time! smile.gif

This thread was started by someone who hasn't even responded since they started it, and people are climbing aboard this bandwagon? Most odd. Im not climbing aboart anyones bandwagon. This topic has came up at least once a month for the last year or so. I value the site and the information shared here. This site has became alot like life. Instead of having a mature meaninful open conversation about things we enjoy (CARS) we have to be careful not to hurt anyones feelings, censor threads, threats of making one leave because the same views are not shared. I have been around cars for 30 years. I don't believe everything told to me to be true nor do I believe everyting to be a lie. I take what informaiton I have both positvie and negative and make my OWN decision! I would hope that most people on this site do the same. I just think ACE841 came across as a smart ass when he didn't need to.

I had no intention of causing a problem between anyone here. I've been working all day, this is my first visit back to TC today. The post was for information only, and I did not see it as "supplier bashing", as in bad parts or whatever. If I did not identify the company that caused me stress to the point of chest pains, someone else may have hired these people and had a similar problem. I'm not a rich guy; someone threatening to take MY $14000 car, hide it 2000+ miles away and put a lien on the title put me in a place I want no one else to go. All I have is my side- and it is 100% fact.
Jeff

Originally posted by Dave Birdwell:
Dean the word is "SUIT" nothing "sweet(suite) about it. smile.gif oops smile.gif


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1965 Malibu, as far as I know, I don't think anyone was ever threatened to have to leave because "their same views were not shared" so I don't know where that came from.
In fact out of the thousands of people that come here, only two trouble makers have ever been banned that I know of.
I did however warn someone that posted a very vulgar post about Canada or Canadians that that was a good way to get booted.

Yes it does seem like we have to keep explaining the reasons behind the no bashing rule every once in a while and still people that don't agree insist on arguing about it rather than just moving on. I don't understand why people just don't get it, I guess maybe because it won't be them that will have to answer to the charge of allowing possible unfair, half truths or outright calumny to remain or continue to be posted so it's no skin off their nose.

If someone had a no smoking rule in their house, I wouldn't keep arguing with them about it, I just either wouldn't go there or would abide by their rules and not smoke in their house.

I really wish there was a way to be able to know which posts are absolutely true and not half truths or just something posted by some troll or a person with a grudge.
Like I said before, maybe someone not affiliated would be willing to keep an "illegal blacklist".

If that guy and that company had done to me what they did to rocketqa I would do whatever it took to get my money and get my car fixed. Whatever money it took I would do it. I also would make damn sure as many people new about it as possible. I sure as hell wouldn't just let it go like some people think. Any of our members should be able to come on here and warn others of crap like this. This is a great website but it is getting a little too moderated in my opinion. Let the people talk.

Dean, point taken. Not sure how the house thing equates to this, but oh well. I have stated my point and you yours. Thats the great thing about the ole USA. We can both be heard. Back to the garage to sand some more. Rocket, I hope you get you compensated for your troubles.

Originally posted by brk65:
............ Let the people talk. You Just don't get it either do you?
Read all the above posts.
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Maybe you would be willing to put a half million or so into escrow to "let the people talk".
Or maybe you can come up with a better idea.

:confused:

I'm really sorry that anything like Rocket's story might happen but maybe if we just find out more about who we are dealing with and get all our ducks in a row before hand it wouldn't happen in the first place.

You tell me if hypothetically the story was just posted out of spite (which we don't know for sure either way) would it be fair to slander an innocent person or company's name?

On the other hand if the incident was posted without any names, it would still serve the same purpose.

{OK, I give up, back to the Jackson auction}

If someone wants to bash a company or some other person, put it in your post.

EXAMPLE: Email me, I had a very bad experience with a moving company that I recently had dealings with. Email me and I will give you the name, phone number and all the details of the transaction.

If someone is interested in finding this information, then email the person.

what Dean said: "Maybe you would be willing to put a half million or so into escrow to "let the people talk". Or maybe you can come up with a better idea."

exactly. where will these "let the people talk" guys when the lawsuit and subpeona roll in? Somehow I doubt they'll be standing around offering the cash to to pay Al's legal bills.

If I were moderator of this forum the stuff would have already been edited out of his post. A lot of people have spent many hours, days, months, years building this forum. If somebody wants to bash without the bashee having equal time, well, www.badautoshippers.com (http://www.badautoshippers.com) is availble, he can put his stuff up there and post a link to it. www.cruddyenginepartsvendors.com (http://www.cruddyenginepartsvendors.com) and www.crummyrestorationparts.com (http://www.crummyrestorationparts.com) are available too, but nobody who wants to trash some vendor seems to want to spend the time, money and work to build it. So much easier to just use somebody else's stuff, right? <sheesh>

Tom

Last time i checked. there are a number of members here who would rather spend their hard earned money on interior parts or stuff other than court costs. the point is we should band together and support our brethren in a time of need. strength in numbers .amen! a bunch of housewives got together and censorship was born. hey! get this! some branches of the military now have a stress card that one pulls out when it is too much for them in boot camp. ha. id like to see that in a live warzone. something like, timeout i cant handle this. my point is the founding fathers of our great nation are probably spinning in their graves like a pig on spit. sad. yeah the law is p.c.= pathetic and crippled. semper fi

oh i think i hear free speech being banned next. good thing hitlers dead. he had a real way with words. a true orator. he'd probably be a lawyer trying to abolish free speech. hmm, lets see they tried taking our guns already. then there's sepation of church and state. hmm, if your not careful you'll let them take the liberties i fought so hard to defend. i know its law, rules, whatever. its just sad. thats all. the way it should be is, negative treatment for not warning everyone else. but hey in a perfect world. chevelle people are special. lowlifes suck. nuff said.

I meant separation. oops!

Originally posted by 67 GTO:
Mods have asked him to remove the name, but I bet they'll end up having to do it themselves. Looks like I was wrong... redface.gif

Wouldn't it be funny if the truck that hauled your car all over the country lost its oil tank or sprung a leak and lost all of its oil ;) ;)

Originally posted by chevelledude71:
If someone wants to bash a company or some other person, put it in your post.

EXAMPLE: Email me, I had a very bad experience with a moving company that I recently had dealings with. Email me and I will give you the name, phone number and all the details of the transaction.

If someone is interested in finding this information, then email the person. THANK YOU.

What part of all this doesn't everybody understand??

And why, if this IS against the rules isn't it locked up yet? I've had posts locked not for violating the rules , but because the higher up's didn't agree with my point of veiw.

And to the guy that started this post I feel bad for you , hope you get a good Lawyer, and sue the crap out of these blackmailers !!!!!

I hope you have contacted your insurance company. I'm with State Farm, and any time I purchase a vehicle it is automaticly covered. I do not even need to advise my agent that I've purchased a car until it has been delivered and I determine what coverage type I desire. If there is a problem with shipping/accident in transport/etc., I need only provide proof of purchase to my insurance and they take from there. I understand that this is "standard operating proceedure" in the industry. So again, I hope you have contacted your insurance company.

Originally posted by Dean:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by forcd ind:
you guys are just to nice hear-i would have shot the #%$&(*% when he arrived @ my house finish it;
and then go to prison for murder. smile.gif

What if the vehicle had been driven around the country by several different drivers and the actual delivery driver had nothing to do with it, would you still shoot him?

I'm sure everyone else would feel the same way but the no bashing rule has nothing to do with being nice. </font>[/QUOTE]The buyer shouldn't have to pay for every stop the car made enroute to his place and that is what it sounds like to me. time to put this one to bed.

In before the lock. Yeehaaaw. smile.gif