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: IS THIS FOR REAL? 69 COPO L-88


freshayr
Sep 28th, 04, 9:54 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2491802910&category=6164

von
Sep 28th, 04, 10:20 AM
Looks suspicious to me. The IR code in the engine number decodes as a 300 hp 350 Police engine. Why would an L-88 have L-89 heads since L-88's already have alum heads?

alss
Sep 28th, 04, 10:42 AM
I tried to but that car three years ago...offered the owner a trade of my Monaco orange convert and cash but he walked. Don't know about the motor numbers but the price is way high imho.

ALbert

AZCamino
Sep 28th, 04, 12:17 PM
The partial VIN 185418846 indicates the engine is a 1968. In 1968, IR was a Corvette 427 435HP (L89 heads were optional, engine code IU), but it is not an L88. The 3rd digit in the partial VIN doesn't make sense, though. Maybe it is S (St. Louis) instead of 5. The rest of the partial VIN does not match the VIN of the car. 1968 Corvette SNs ranged to 428566 that year.

An original COPO 9562 would have been built at the factory with an L72. So maybe Yenko swapped the engine after delivery. But the bottom line is this is not a "number matching" car, since the engine is not original to the car from the factory.

The 435Hp Corvette engine is an L72 with tri-power. I doubt that this engine would have been swapped by Yenko even if it did have the optional L89 heads (just add the heads to the original engine). I suspect the original engine was damaged during racing and replaced with the Corvette engine.

I suppose an L88 could be assembled from components using the Corvette bare block as a core, but wouldn't you expect Yenko to order an L88 crate engine for such a project?

Bain
Sep 28th, 04, 1:05 PM
Well you guys are right about the engine and yenko would have just ordered what he wanted at that point, no engine swapping like in 67 and 68. 350,000 thats ballsy. Not in a million years, and the window sticker looks hokey.

I will run this by Greg and see what he says, bet it aint't on his list.

Chevy454
Sep 28th, 04, 3:53 PM
Well you guys are right about the engine and yenko would have just ordered what he wanted at that point, no engine swapping like in 67 and 68.Umm, not true. Yenko still transplanted engines in '69, even into COPO cars. In fact, there's a member floating around here who owns a low mileage, original, '69 Yenko Camaro that had an L88, ST-10, and 5.13s installed, by Yenko Chevrolet, in place of the factory L72, M21, & 4.10s...

malibuss67
Sep 28th, 04, 4:46 PM
lets not forget these engine numbers that are in question are listed on the window sticker so if the sticker proves to be authentic, it left yenko chevrolet new with that engine in it.anyway that would sorta make it a yenko number match. i would like to see pics of the headrests.the vin number isnt on the yenko list either.were there many yenkos with bench seats made?

alss
Sep 28th, 04, 5:09 PM
Would be nice to see the trim tag..build date rear code etc. I would think a 350K car would have a ton of document pictures proving beyond a reasonable doubt the authenticity of the car. I'm suspisious of the window sticker as well..address does'nt seem right. Could be a legit COPO that has been modified, even maybe by Yenko but I would need more proof for that kind of coin.

ALbert

Ls6Convertible
Sep 28th, 04, 5:46 PM
"An original COPO 9562 would have been built at the factory with an L72. So maybe Yenko swapped the engine after delivery. But the bottom line is this is not a "number matching" car, since the engine is not original to the car from the factory."................I have a Scuncio chevrolet produced 1969 chevelle.The buildsheet for it is a black 396/375 car m21 410, .It has a dealer transplanted 427 L88 shortblock,something scuncio[as well as yenko and other performance dealerships did back then] ..While it is not considered a "matching # car" it is actually much more desirable,being a dealer prepped supercar....There were no L88 factory chevelles produced,thats probably why the dealers made them...I dont know anything about the above car,but if it is a L88 prepped car from yenko,id surely take it over a "#s matching" copo 427 car from yenko.

David Bates
Sep 28th, 04, 5:51 PM
Isn't that just as hoaky as the day is long! Spewing forth mega BS form everywhere.

Dave

malibuss67
Sep 28th, 04, 7:30 PM
the address on that window sticker copy was where yenko moved to in 1972 when they were customizing muscle cars and no longer selling brand new ones.in 69,yenko was at another address in canonsburg.there is no sales date on the sticker copy either. yenko workers may have later built this car for someone but im sceptical it was done when new, i would search that car up and down for a factory build sheet.

freshayr
Sep 28th, 04, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by malibuss67:
the address on that window sticker copy was where yenko moved to in 1972 when they were customizing muscle cars and no longer selling brand new ones.in 69,yenko was at another address in canonsburg. there is a camaro for sale on ebay. part of is documentation is a return reciept signed for by Don Yenko. The address is cannonsburg not McMurray
http://ebay.carad.com/viewItem/dsp_pho_img2.cfm?img=http://carad.ebayimg.com/i4/02/a/02/85/04/03

Chevy454
Sep 28th, 04, 11:26 PM
were there many yenkos with bench seats made?The majority of the Yenko Chevelles and Novas came with bench seats. Mine came with the el cheapo cloth bench...

Keith Tedford
Sep 29th, 04, 7:18 AM
The COPO package on our Chevelle was $649.00 Cdn. That's a long way from what the window sticker for this car shows.

Bain
Sep 29th, 04, 10:10 AM
well one thing is for sure 350,000 is out there

Bain
Sep 29th, 04, 10:14 AM
I am sorry that window sticker loook and reads fake

markV
Sep 29th, 04, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Bain:
I am sorry that window sticker loook and reads fake you should know best bain!

David Bates
Sep 29th, 04, 12:52 PM
You really have to ask why someone would go to the trouble to "Fake" a window sticker like that, I mean an L71 (427/435 Tripower and not with the L89 option) stamped engine from a production mid May 1968 Corvette (apparent by the Vin sequence) and call it an L88. That's the most glaring thing. Somebody's smokin' some bad stuff there!!! I'll bid $1685.47 just because the car has possibliities.

von
Sep 29th, 04, 1:21 PM
I like the spelling too. "Special Chasis Feathers". The whole thing adds up to BOGUS.

Bain
Sep 29th, 04, 1:47 PM
hey Mark V should we just call you dick V, your bull **** is old.

markV
Sep 29th, 04, 2:53 PM
Originally posted by Bain:
hey Mark V should we just call you dick V, your bull **** is old. like i said, you should know best bain. graemlins/waving.gif

Neuman
Sep 29th, 04, 4:45 PM

Neuman
Sep 29th, 04, 4:46 PM
I am sorry that window sticker loook and reads fake We all know that typeface was not available in 1969, nor were proportionally spaced fonts...oh, wait....sorry, wrong forged document!! graemlins/beers.gif

joe58
Sep 29th, 04, 6:40 PM
there are many problems with the info supplied in the ad. The trim tag shows black as original color which was not a Yenko Chevelle color. The Yenko Chevelles were COPO 9562 but the non Yenko COPO 427 Chevelles that I have seen info on were a differnt COPO number like 9566

Ls6Convertible
Sep 29th, 04, 9:50 PM
One thing is certain..the car came from GM with a 427 and the HD 410 KQ rear....i wouldnt assume this is fake just yet...surely its an auction with misinformation and without the L88 yenko may have put in it back then ,but there is more to this car than meets the eye in my opinion...

markV
Sep 29th, 04, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by alss:
Would be nice to see the trim tag..build date rear code etc. I would think a 350K car would have a ton of document pictures proving beyond a reasonable doubt the authenticity of the car. I'm suspisious of the window sticker as well..address does'nt seem right. Could be a legit COPO that has been modified, even maybe by Yenko but I would need more proof for that kind of coin.

ALbert so who would produce that window sticker stating those options, yenko chevrolet , or general motors corp. new vehicles that come off a semi have the window stickers already affixed. i've wondered that about the gmmg cars also, i would guess the facility doing the mods. would have to affix that option sticker when they are done with the car. also having the general motors logo at the top of the sticker (irregardless who typed it) you would think those mods. would either have to be approved or made aware to gm, like the gmmg cars have gm's stamp of approval, but i guess thats now, no telling how things went back then.

71elkySS454
Sep 29th, 04, 11:33 PM
Having been a sales manager at a GM dealership, that is NOT the actual government mandated window sticker that came on the car from the factory, but a commmon dealership generated ADDENDUM sticker that would have been displayed alongside the regular window sticker. Much like you would see some of the speciality pickups that are being customized on the new dealership lots today. They will have the regular factory window sticker, and then alongside a dealership sticker with all the added charges. Very common today, probably not as common years ago. What would have been common would be typo errors on those, as each one would have been hand typed, no computers or spell check.

Bain
Sep 29th, 04, 11:44 PM
One thing is certain..the car came from GM with a 427 and the HD 410 KQ rear....i wouldnt assume this is fake just yet...surely its an auction with misinformation and without the L88 yenko may have put in it back then ,but there is more to this car than meets the eye in my opinion...
Allright why do you believe this car came with a 427 from GM? I must have missed something LS6 convertible?

jfkheat
Sep 30th, 04, 12:29 PM
One of the main problems I have with the car is the "window sticker." The address for Yenko Chevrolet is not correct. In 1969 Yenko was in Canonsburg Pa. I beleive they moved to McMurray Pa in 71 or 72.
James

mr 4 speed
Oct 1st, 04, 11:52 AM
350K for that? :rolleyes: Now there's the deal of the century!
I'd rather pay the same money for the 29 mile LS6 car..

Dave
Oct 1st, 04, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by Bain:
One thing is certain..the car came from GM with a 427 and the HD 410 KQ rear....i wouldnt assume this is fake just yet...surely its an auction with misinformation and without the L88 yenko may have put in it back then ,but there is more to this car than meets the eye in my opinion...
Allright why do you believe this car came with a 427 from GM? I must have missed something LS6 convertible? Still trolling for those hidden clue's, huh bain.

TriplblackL78
Oct 2nd, 04, 12:09 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ls6Convertible:
[QB]I have a Scuncio chevrolet produced 1969 chevelle.The buildsheet for it is a black 396/375 car m21 410, .It has a dealer transplanted 427 L88 shortblock,something scuncio[as well as yenko and other performance dealerships did back then] ..While it is not considered a "matching # car" it is actually much more desirable,being a dealer prepped supercar...


Do you mean like this one from NICKEY?
http://www.classicauto-sales.com/cars/nickey67/

red 65
Oct 2nd, 04, 9:04 PM
I'm no expert on these cars but why is the engine appear to be blue and not orange?

DaleM
Oct 3rd, 04, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by malibuss67:
lets not forget these engine numbers that are in question are listed on the window sticker so if the sticker proves to be authentic, Speaking of the window sticker, I wonder what the "Special Chassis Feathers" were? Also I seriously doubt the factory would type something like, "This car also includes..." :rolleyes:

von
Oct 3rd, 04, 8:26 AM
The sticker definately wasn't the original from GM. I guess the question is whether it could be one Yenko made up and stuck on there before selling the car new.

jfkheat
Oct 3rd, 04, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by von:
The sticker definately wasn't the original from GM. I guess the question is whether it could be one Yenko made up and stuck on there before selling the car new. No. Yenko Chevrolet's address is wrong on the sticker. In 1969 they were in Canonsburg Pa. They moved to the address on the sticker in 1971 or 72.
James

jakeshoe
Oct 4th, 04, 2:27 AM
I just sold a early '68 IR code 427 motor... Hmm.

Shoulda stuck it in my '69 and Cloned it to a Yenko and stuck it on Ebay for $300K. LOL