http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2486014514&category=6164

Please don't shoot the messenger. I have a legit question or I wouldn't be starting this again. He says the VIN is now confirmed by D.P.E. Who are they?

Hi yes I am back, but not here, you started it, and I have no intention of particpating this time. THe members can say what they want I don't care. The moderator stated on the 60th reply on my last topic that I have received a lot of feedback, and I should reflect on it.

Ok I have I am selling the car now as a COPO based on this information and soon to be gathered info as it is available. All of this is subject to the buyers abiulity to verify to their satisfaction, so who really cares at this point??? It's a COPO, bye

This is gettin old!!! Mines an SS just need to verify it blah blah blah... Mike

I'd like to know who DPE is as well. Having the vin numbers for all the 69 COPO Chevelles would be invaluable. It Would be nice to verify my car through another source as well! Still think the car is too early for a COPO but I am no expert by any means.

ALbert

But the feedback you got, shouldn't justify selling it as a COPO. You are nothing more than a common criminal, capitalizing on a hot market.

I thought it was "confirmed" last time.. graemlins/clonk.gif graemlins/boring.gif

IF it's a COPO, I want some of thet DOPO your smoking.


Rocky

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Maybe after this build sheet he mentions is printed up it will prove once and for all that it is a COPO graemlins/angry.gif .
James

Sorta glad I don't care.

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I wouldnt trust this guy as far as I could throw him and his car.Bidder IDs kept private.

That's because he doesn't want us to email his bidders and tell them that this guy is so full of crap it's coming out of his ears.

Bain, My email won't go through to you. I'm seriously considering bidding on your COPO Chevelle. Can you please give me the contact info to Greg at DPE??? I would like to have some sort of verification about its authenticity before bidding.

Thank You.

derek69ss@hotmail.com

Dear Team members,

Please refrain from making slanderous and accusatory statements that are inflammitory in nature. Also untrue I am a straight shooter and anyone who knows me personlly knows that.

Bluess454 ~ It's interesting that you feel the need to interfere with my business dealings on Ebay something that is in direct violation with the rules of conduct. E-Bay recommends to sellers when selling high dollar items to use a private Bid, and since this is a COPO 427 the price just went up, too bad you didn't buy it at 34900, you would have made a lot of money.

Derrick email me at vectorops@aol.com or better yet give me your phone number and I will call you.

Please guys get a grip don't you have things in your life that matter more than purposely trying to rain on someones parade just becasue you want to, sounds like some of you guys don't have a life. Wheres a moderator when a topic needs to be shut down again, only this time I didn't start it.

Some of you guys are really Sad graemlins/sad.gif :rolleyes:

To 71 Metbu ~ Wow, what grade did you drop out of 5th or 6th.

The 1st COPO? Without documentation? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Think a guy who owns a COPO could pony up $20 for a membership. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Mike

I dont know which is worse,selling a copo clone as a real 427 car,or leaving negative feedback on ebay to a bidder that discovers its a clone and doesnt want to pay for it.... :confused: graemlins/clonk.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
Dear Team members,

Please refrain from making slanderous and accusatory statements that are inflammitory in nature. Also untrue I am a straight shooter and anyone who knows me personlly knows that.

Please guys get a grip don't you have things in your life that matter more than purposely trying to rain on someones parade just becasue you want to, sounds like some of you guys don't have a life. Wheres a moderator when a topic needs to be shut down again, only this time I didn't start it.

Some of you guys are really Sad graemlins/sad.gif :rolleyes: Dear Bain
This Moderator doesn't care one way or another about you or your car. Sell the dang thing and quit posting nonsense about it. You are right. I have no life. If it wasn't for threads on the internet I wouldn't exist.

Hey John I didn't start this one remember.

LS6 Convertable ~ Can you read I will "not" leave negative feedback if the potetial buyer (high bidder) is not satisfied with the authenticity no questions asked! Your an idiot too! :D

67GTO ~ Can you read "ONE" of the First not the first, although frankly maybe it is the first one.

I have gone this far might as well says it's the first COPO ever made yea I like that, somebody give me 1,000,000 dollars graemlins/thumbsup.gif

"Can you read I will "not" leave negative feedback if the potetial buyer (high bidder) is not satisfied with the authenticity no questions asked".................................................. .. Ebay user "Julius146"...Bain, you may want to check his feedback,he has a negative feedback from you on your "COPO" :eek: :eek: graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
To 71 Metbu ~ Wow, what grade did you drop out of 5th or 6th. What, are you jealous that I made it further than you?

71 metbu ~ Yes thats very funny good one, class clown I bet graemlins/hurray.gif

LS6 convertable~ Oh yes Mr. Julius, the guy who won a bid fair and square on a car at the time was priced as a clone prior to all the information available now. I was going to give it to him at that price, sure glad he backed out, you will look at his record he's done it before. I left a Nuetral anyway not a negative.
I am sure thats what you meant, now that I am asking a lot more for the car becasue of it's COPO status the stakes are higher and the buyer must be satisfied with the reason for the price increase you know coz it's a real COPO 427. The statement in my bid stands. IF your not satisfied no problem walk no questions asked no negative feedback. Thats the way it is On this day August 3, 2004

Sincerely,

Square Deal Al
Seller of one of the earliest Copo Chevelles made
:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bain:
Hi yes I am back, but not here, you started it, and I have no intention of particpating this time. [/QUOTE

I thought you had no intentions of participating in this thread. You also scold the rest of us for making slanderous statments, and then you turn around and call LS6Convertible an idiot. Bain my friend you are the one who needs to get a life. graemlins/boring.gif

Elli its really hard to sit back and ilisten to this crap, but yea your right graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/boring.gif

I really thought this one would die quick maybe we can just all go to sleep and it won;t be here tomorrow

In the past 2 months hes bought 8 items...5 of which are sets of #840 dated for 1969 production squareport heads [L78, copo ,etc].....anyone thinking what im thinking??? ........

I would think that going by your auction description,which quotes "I AM NOT A HARD CASE OR HARD UP FOR MONEY SO I CAN WAIT FOR YOU AND GREG AT D.P.E" you would pay the fee now,and when you have the documentation in your hand,there will be no question as to what the car is.Why wait for a buyer to get the ball rolling if you're not "hard up for money" ? Seems to me the investment to get the documentation is a small price to pay in the big picture if indeed the car is as described graemlins/thumbsup.gif

How many times do we have to hear the same old song and dance? I really don't think anyone is going to beleive the document story until they see them in person. :rolleyes:

Additionally, since you seem to have come up with a new resuorce for buildsheets that no one else has ever heard of, you've got to be suspicious. Can't get the documents overseas??? Why not get them than post??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

If in fact the car is an earlier than early, or the first COPO Chevelle, then haul it off to Mecum or Barret jackson with the documents and set the Supercar world on fire!!!!! Why bother pandering to the unwashed masses with a bargain price on such a great car???

Otherwise, let's just agree that there isn't any documentation and that this whole story is just that... A story. graemlins/sad.gif

I'm finished with this car and hope that we won't have to rehash this topic again here or anywhere else!!!!!!!! :( :(

BTW - If someone reputable is able to substantiate this car in this forum I will be the first to step up with a full apology!!!

Blair

sounds good supergas, put this too sleep

These stories are funny to say the least. I know nothing about "real" COPO's ... but the thought that powers-that-be in GM could actually produce these cars is awesome!! Just think of the powers it would take to stuff an Z-06 motor into a current Malibu.

Now my only question is ... why does the auction say this:
"The car only has 70,000 documented miles on it, but NONE of the parts are original, except maybe the engine"

Months ago he had a 1970 restamped block ... then he aquired a "date correct" block somewhere ... now maybe he has the original engine?

Alot of people's concerns would help be muted if he actually had the original engine ... somehow I doubt it though. So why does he advertise, nothing is original EXCEPT the engine?

Anyhow, this thread is more of a joke than anything ... but these "Square Deal Bain" topics are definitely entertaining.

Neal

I read this stuff when I feel a little down and depressed and need to laugh. What a bunch of BS...what happened to Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware in case you never heard of it). I don't know if the car is real or not, like John Muha I don't care eather. If someone wants to pay $34K or even if they wanna pay $34M what difference does it make to ANYONE other than the seller and the buyer? NONE not a bit of difference.

Some turkey just paid $250,000 for an aluminum head 3x2 67 Corvette Roadster at Barret Jackson....same kind of thing JUST PLAIN STUPID. One of 16 Documented Vettes delivered that way WOW HOLY MOLY Wally! If you just gotta have that parts combo go build one they are no different on the road or sitting in the garage EXCEPT for this silly premium price paid for the "real deal". There is no more magic in that Vette than there is in a COPO. They are nothing more than a unique collection of STANDARD PRODUCTION parts that anyone can bolt together. Yeah they are sorta unique but lets keep some perspective here.

WAY WAY to much value is getting assigned to these "rare" cars that happened to be assembeled out of components that not many people elected to order (The Vette) or cars that were build by dealers like Yenko or Dana or Motion or ......

Take a deep breath, count to 10 and get a life...if someone wants to buy the car let em if the buyer gets screwed then it is his own fault and the seller (if he knows the car is not legit ) is a scoundrel. In the greater scheme of things what does it really matter to you?

Wake up some morning and go to the Doctor and get a diagnosis of cancer or kidney failure or liver failure THEN you got something to get your blood pressure up over or you underware in a knot over. Get drafted then get sent to Vietnam or sign up and spend 18 months in Iraq where they are trying to blow you up every day or capture you and cut your head off. This car stuff is a bunch of CHICKEN S____t in the greater scheme of it all.

AMEN BROTHER I am just trying to sell the car for the best price possible, and I am not trying to knowingly screw anyone, your post is most intelligent to date and puts things in perspective, Thanks for that! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Oman - I see exactly what you are saying, if I see a house on fire I shouldn't call 911 because it isn't my house. If I see you getting robbed I don't have to call 911 because I don't know you and it's not my stuff being taken!! Man if it don't directly affect me I don't need to get all worked up over it! My life is getting better by the minute...

I just have to say I feel so relieved that there are folks like you and Bain in this world to really show the important things people need to concern themselves with... You said it best "Caveat Emptor"!!

Man life is good for me... I just had my checkup, don't have kidney problems and the doctor ran the camera up my back side and I don't have cancer. I'm too old to be drafted so I don't think I'll be sent to Iraq and I've read enough here to know there is a turd on every corner so I have to keep my eyes open or I'll step in a pile!!

You guy's don't happen to know this guy, do you? He owns a cool IROC Camaro... http://media.ebaumsworld.com/iroc-speeding.mp3

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That's too funny DJD. I think I'm going to have to buy an IROC so I can make it all the way up to 90mph on the freeway. Ohhh I just learned I have to wax it though so I don't get tickets. I finally found the secret :D

Lance

I wonder why we designed the stealh fighter,when we could have just gave the B52 a good coat of wax :D

Don't get me wrong bain, the car is very nice any way you look at it. I don't think anyone would kick it out of their garage. Why don't you fork over the cash to get the copo certification, and then show it to everyone. You will then be able to get 60-70K for the car..

If you didn't have such a F__K You kind of additude towards everyone you are asking advice from then maybe we wouldn't be giving you so mugh grief. Just because people aren't telling you what you want to hear {and they are even giving you factual reasoning} is no reason to act like a jerk towards them. SS454 for example, this dude OWNS Yenko.net.... he has access to every supercar known to exist. All he has to do is ASK! For goodness sake, he owns 3 Yenkos. Ls6 Convertible owns some pretty rare cars also. He just sold a convertible for some insane coin! In order to get that kinda loot for a car, he had to get some documention on it. Now I may be crazy, but wouldn't you think that these 2 guys are in the know with reguards to whats real and what's not?

You were just informed that your engine block was cast a year after the car was built... why are you telling people in your ebay add that your engine is original? You are going to get SUED if you aren't careful. Why are you buying all these COPO casting number heads? No one else will come out and say it, so I will. Are you trying to gather dated parts to build an engine to throw in that car and claim it's the original motor? excuse me, the OTHER original motor?

You went to 2 websites, and both said your build date was way to early for a COPO. So you go to ebay and claim the car is the first COPO.

How can I put this kindly.... Bain, what you have is a SUPER nice Chevelle Super Sport with an Over the counter replacemnt 427.

You are playing with a blowtorch, and you are covered in Gasoline. I'd be careful with how I proceed if I were you.

Dennis ( DJD ) I couldn't have put it better myself!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Some folks just don't get it!~ graemlins/clonk.gif

that IROC thing was the funniest 30 minutes of my life!

everyone at work prolly thinks i've gone nuts from the laughing

The issues about fire and robbery are totally unrelated to this situation...not clear logic in drawing the metaphor. More emotion and passion as opposed to objectivity. You don't believe it Bain does it ends there my house on fire or calling the cops is just faulty logic in the heat of your passion over this topic.

Like I said I don't know if Bains car is real or not, don't know if Bain is a dork or not. As I read this you guys (all off you) have your underware in a knot because you don't like his justification or the dates are not right or I don't know something is not the way you think it should be. Ok so given that set of facts just don't buy the car.

If someone comes along and agrees with Bain as opposed to agreeing with you guys well then that is up to him. The guy who paid $250K for the Vette I mentioned earlier is off his nut IN MY OPINION but it was his money afterall and he choose to spend it. He did it and if he comes to regret it it is his misfortune.

My response was written from the perspective of all the folks who are convinced this car is not an original. Like I said might be it isn't then again might be it is. Whatever the case it is no skin off your backside if a buyer thinks it is and pays the money: the skin is off the backside of the buyer and the crime is comitted by the seller if the car is not legit.

You guys are not harmed in any way whatsoever so other than a possible shot to your own egos if it is legit where is the harm to you. Why are you so sure that it ain't real and hell bent to make Bain agree with ya...can't ya just walk away and say "He is full of ______ the car can't be real and I would not buy it in a million years" Done deed over finished end of discussion....Nope can't bring yourselves to do it.

When this numbers / dates whatever craziness gets to name calling and other inuendo where the hell is this hobby headed???? Get a life calm down

The bottom line is this,these are the FACTS
Bain's description of his car on ebay is what it is..take any way you want.
If Bain can provide documentation supporting his statements,the car is what he claims.

My opinion is,You as the seller,to justify whatever dollar amount you want for this car,which I'm sure is alot more than nicely restored,non-matching #'s SS396 (but one with the correctly dated block,etc.) then it is YOUR responsibility Sir to provide the said potential documentation that is available for you to advertise it for what it is and get the full worth.Then,this whole interesting "drama" ends.
And another fact...
even with documentation,this car is nowhere near stock,including paint,or matching #'s..it has a 512 block,a TH400,and a 12 bolt...but not the original ones that came with the car,along with the non-original buckets/console.That right there dictates a cap on the potential value.

Id rather get taken for a 5000.00 deposit on a nigerian scam and end up with no car ,than pay 100k and end up with a clone copo worth 35k....think about it...you save yourself 60k by choosing the european scammer over this copo clone...very sad

Originally posted by oman:
The issues about fire and robbery are totally unrelated to this situation...not clear logic in drawing the metaphor.You almost got my point, compare that to your comments about cancer, kidneys, vietnam, iraq and conversation about bain's car...

You obviously have not followed along, the gang is mearly responding to all the info your friend bain has dispelled about his car. Why are your panties all in a bunch over the fact that everyone has their panties in a bunch over this? Had bain just posted what he suspected about his car it would be one thing but he solicited advice. As he got advice he challenged it and started providing contrary info. i.e. he brought this on all on his own!!

I won't try to sway your opinion on high end collector cars but do think anyone that can't understand the catalist behind them may have issues stopping them, perhaps a fincial status problem or something, kind of a penis envy thing if you will.

Oman.. The experts in the Supercar world have told bain his car is a fake. They inspected the car about a year ago and it had a 454 in it. He has now come up with a engine to try and pass his fake car off as real. He has also named some imaginary guy that is supposed to have paperwork but he won't pay the fee to get this imaginary paperwork. If you don't care that crooks like him keep getting away with this crap that is your choice. I sure hope someone tells you look out when a bus is headed at you, nah, not their business. You might not think a COPO or other rare car is neat but lots of people do and lots of them save up and pay hard earned money for what they think is a real COPO with real value. You might not think a Picasso painting is worth much but others do. Once something has worth, the Bains of the world crawl to the surface to try and make easy money. People that care are just trying to keep honest people from getting ripped off. Bain is nothing more than a arrogant crook that is looking for a sucker. I know exactly what type of guy I hope he sells that fake to. Then I would buy a ticket to watch.

I probably shouldn't get involved in this discussion cause I'm a moderator and Al has shut it down once already and probably will again, besides I don't have my panties on today. smile.gif

BUT,

{EDIT} on second thought :rolleyes:

Sorry AL :(

Bain,as you're aware I'm sure..the 26 mile,documented,all original lowest mileage in existence 1970 LS6 sold for $354,200 on Ebay...
What are you trying to get for your car?
Surely,you don't think car is more rare than that,so could you please enlighten us with your price? I'm curious to know what one with paperwork,has non-original drivetrain,but correct drivetrain goes for vs. a documented matching # car with all the correct,original drivetrain pieces intact.

This topic is still active on Yenko.net (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=68111&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all)

Bidding up to over 53k. Boy can I smell a lawsuit on this one if the sale goes thru!!

HI Mr. 4 sp,

well I really don't know, I have asked a few, and the fact that it's going to take about 10,000 15,000 minus the parts you could sell off to restore it back to original, not to mention the time is certainly a negative on the price. So far Greg believs that it's the 12, 13, or 14th one made, that was a guestimiate based on looking at the list a while back. So right now it is the earliest COPO that has surfaced to date. I don't know if that means anything. One thing is for certain there will be no law suits, and no bargin hunters becasue a real collector who will spend the money to re-restore it doesn't really have to spend a ton, I think 70,000 as it sits fast and pretty is a good number, what do you think.

hey bain in the a** do you think you could get greg to certify my ford ranger as the 15th 16th or 17th copo so i can sell it for a billion dollars and retire

Hey Malibu 400 you don't need greg for that, I can do that for you, give me your address and I will send you a certifcate of being the stupidest ******* on earth hahaha! graemlins/sad.gif

I think this topic was reopened for INTELLIGENT discussion not like Malibu 400, lets keep it to the point, or lets shut it down.

Originally posted by Bain:
I think this topic was reopened for INTELLIGENT discussion not like Malibu 400, lets keep it to the point, or lets shut it down. The point is that you have no written proof. You say that there is this man named "greg" at DCE Well there very well maybe. I know this guy named Thomas Rightler at TCWS, who can verify that my car is a Yenko :rolleyes: graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/clonk.gif Your guy "greg" is an engine builder.... who is gonna restamp a block for you. You bought 5 sets of copo heads, thats 5 heads, to build 5 cars.

CLOSE this thread again.

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Totally Unbeleivable graemlins/boring.gif Gaz

Looks like our boy Bain is now posting on the Yenko site. Check out the post from 676767. He has only posted once and signed up early this morning, and Bain seems to be able to post in the middle of the night at the same time this joker started posting on the Yenko site. It's funny how he immediately starts trashing everyone over here on TC to the Yenko board just becuase we are not buying his BS story. But it looks like the Yenko registry guys are not buying it either. Bain you sure have some big nuts to refuse to not only listen to the experts here at TC, but also refuse to listen to the experts at the Yenko registry. Give it up Bain

my buddy gary has a 1990 pontiac lemans that i have had certified by the junior assistant manager at burger king as being the last royal gto bobcat made and the only one ever produced in korea..

Originally posted by John_Muha:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bain:
Dear Team members,

Please refrain from making slanderous and accusatory statements that are inflammitory in nature. Also untrue I am a straight shooter and anyone who knows me personlly knows that.

Please guys get a grip don't you have things in your life that matter more than purposely trying to rain on someones parade just becasue you want to, sounds like some of you guys don't have a life. Wheres a moderator when a topic needs to be shut down again, only this time I didn't start it.

Some of you guys are really Sad graemlins/sad.gif :rolleyes: Dear Bain
This Moderator doesn't care one way or another about you or your car. Sell the dang thing and quit posting nonsense about it. You are right. I have no life. If it wasn't for threads on the internet I wouldn't exist. </font>[/QUOTE]GOLD Jerry, Pure GOLD!
Best comeback ever.

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Im a 68 Velle guy, not a 1969.. Isn't there a place you can run the vin number to check if its a COPO?

Originally posted by Ls6Convertible:
In the past 2 months hes bought 8 items...5 of which are sets of #840 dated for 1969 production squareport heads [L78, copo ,etc].....anyone thinking what im thinking??? ........ I wan't going to mention it but I did notice this.

Once and for all I will NOT give it up until it's clear by the evidence that it is not a COPO, all evidence to date says it is. So go you know what, I'll give it up when I decide to give it up Son. Experts, please, I haven't seen any experts in this field.

a real collector who will spend the money to re-restore it doesn't really have to spend a ton, I think 70,000 as it sits fast and pretty is a good number, what do you think. I think there are alot of idiots out there, with more money than brains (very evident with the price of Musclecars lately)...

Okay, so I am not an expert, but aside from Ebay (where many deals fall through), the auction results for 1969 COPO Chevelles seem to be high $60Ks to $70Ks, and that is AUCTION results... Thats were alot of the big boys (lots of money) go for the true "investment" pieces... More than likely those cars are documented, and not heresay. Usually undocumented or non-original cars go for less... Even if Greg has the real info, Bain's car is undocumented until that info is with the car or available to the public.

Maybe Bain is not really out to scam anybody (maybe), but most likely either he OR "Greg" are doing something shady... Maybe "Greg" is hoping to scam Bain???

I find it odd, that if Greg had this info, why he wouldn't want people to know (why would his identity have been a mystery to so many COPO-lovers, yet Bain happened across the one person that has the info...

At least it's intelligent and not to seriously negative. Well maybe your right, anyway the invgestigation will continue, as far why Greg doesn't advertise the records or go out of his way to document more cars and make himself available, why don't you ask him yourself and take the conjecture out of it 260-665-8877.

I know one thing if these records are authentic it would expose a lot of scams perpetrated ver the years in the 1969 - 1970 Chevelle years maybe more. Thus liability could be a major issue. anyway I guess getting the paperwork rather than sending people to it has to be the next step, still looking for the original owner.

Ok, lets say there are no experts here, and all of us are idiots, what about the first guy that bought the car off of Ebay from you then backed out becasue it was not a COPO. And then how do you explain the Yenko registry guys blowing your story out of the water also? I also noticed that you did not dispute that you are 676767 on the Yenko registry either. Honestly I could care less about your car and if it is a COPO or not, but I will not sit by and let some unkning buyer get taken to the cleaners. And I feel that is the opinion of most of the people who have posted on this subject.
How about explaining the fact that you ahve been buying heads on Ebay that could be used to clone a COPO, can you show us somehow that you have not installed any of those sets onto this car?

Originally posted by Bain:
Once and for all I will NOT give it up until it's clear by the evidence that it is not a COPO, all evidence to date says it is. It has been demonstrated time and again that it is NOT a COPO and you have yet to display any real evidence that it is. What "evidence to date" says that it is? Thirty year old stories and mythical statements by unknown sources do not count. Evidence is tangible and as yet I've not seen nor heard anything tangible.

Bain, you aren't really O.J Simpson, are you? you take the evidence presented, ignore it, and comes up with a glove named Greg. :rolleyes:

i think "pain"(pun intended)is really elmer fudd millionare..and he owns a mansion and a yacht

I've talked to Greg @DPE, and he had nothing on our COPO cars...but he did reinforce the fact that he could make me a POP, could stamp or alter trim tags, and could recreate the broach marks and restamp the numbers on a block. When I specifically asked about the original GM paperwork, he said he'd have to give me a number of someone for me to contact... :rolleyes:

OK Elli if you could buy 840 heads and turn a profit would you, I did, also just to ease your mind like thats all I have to do in this world is ease your mind, the heads on the engine have 291's on it! Thats right 291's, if they want 840's fine I can get them. I like 291's better. They were made for that block and the casting date on them was K 26 8 interesting some people stated that they didn't make them then, some people said that it must have been a casting error, or made in 1978, but the spark plug holes are NOT the peanut sized ones that came later in 1969, and they aren't helicoils so it's a bit of another mystery, anyway I used 291's not 840, and I have been horse trading many parts in the COPO range coz I like doing it, gee isn't that why we are all here coz we like it, oh no thats crazy your scamming everyone I just know it.

SS454 please don't lie to people in your group it's a very bad thing to do. He obviously doesn't want to deal with you coz your a ***** , I don't want to deal with you, so stop lieing. Stop doubting and don't talk about stuff that doesn't concern you. Your a Coconut head graemlins/clonk.gif

He did say he would put you in touch with people who could get the GM paperwork, what I get is some people he will take the time for and some people he won't. You know you kind of come off like a jerk, so maybe you ought to check the attitude and go back and apologize to Greg.

Anybody else want to step up to the plate to get swatted :D

Malibu 400 must like his SAT score or something, your back for more huh, I have the graemlins/thumbsup.gif certificate for you authenticating that your a jerk.

pain can certify..anything right pain?

If this information would have been made public or was just in someones archives it would have been exposed!!!!! there are a few people out there which we know who thye are that can tell if the car is for real which after this much time it should have been proven money talks Bull**** walks put up or shut up buy the dam docs an dget it done did!!!! or lets end this crap....

Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth - thanks Bain for posting the Phone number it gave me the opportunity to do a reverse lookup and find an Engine Machine Shop. I dont know about the USA but here in Canada records for cars are not kept at machine shops but rather at GM head office. I guess the Great thing about living here in Canada is that people like you cant fake stuff. $60 gets you the documentation to prove or disprove what it is that you are selling or buying. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

for anyone in the area of this machine shop please stop in and ask to see the Files on COPO Chevelle's - maybe you have one and dont know :eek:

DURABILITY PLUS ENGINES graemlins/waving.gif
195 Oak St
Angola, IN 46703-1125
(260) 665-8877

I am sure they have a warehouse full of GM microfiches - which is why you guys cant get your documentation in the states - GM sold it to this company and Greg. (there was never a fire graemlins/clonk.gif )

Malibu 400: I can certify anything thats right Dick, thats your name correct isn't or is it Maine boy Bitch graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/boring.gif

It has not been demostrated that it's not a COPO, and you guys know nothing other than what you want people to know, I call it the Big Fish in the little Pond syndrome and there is a lot of that going around.

And yes end this stupid topic who's idea was it to reopen it???? graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/boring.gif

OOOOH Roxy slams the big one down hard. And guess what have you ever heard of Vince Piggins, probably not, and no the records aren't stored at the Machine shop, and by the way it's a lot more than a machine shop, your just as small as the rest of them again trying to pass yourself off as some kind of guru on the subject, go back to your tiny insignificant pond graemlins/boring.gif . NEXT

Originally posted by Bain:
OOOOH Roxy slams the big one down hard. And guess what have you ever heard of Vince Piggins, probably not, and no the records aren't stored at the Machine shop, and by the way it's a lot more than a machine shop, your just as small as the rest of them again trying to pass yourself off as some kind of guru on the subject, go back to your tiny insignificant pond graemlins/boring.gif . NEXT I fail to understand the link between the Engine shop which can restamp your car to what ever it is you want it to be and Vince Piggins(Z-28). I was just stating that people like you could not fake a Canadian Built or Sold car because the documentation is all available if you are willing to pay the $60. Why is it that you are not coughing up the coin to get your documentation if i had this car i would want my documentation to prove it to be what you claim it to be. Trust me it took us over a year of research to find and verify what our car is and it was worth every penny not only for our peace of mind but for the value of the car.

Basically what i am saying is Put your Money where you Mouth is.


P.S. when you have to lower yourself and insult people it is because you are losing an arguement.

Roxy don't lecture me, What in the hell do you think I am doing, BY the way Vince Piggins is more noteworthy for his work with Fred Gibbs and the ZL1 motor, but he was involved before that and did have a lot of records, thats a fact.

OK lets say I finsh the docs with research and fees I will haveanother 5,000.00 in it and then I will have to go back and redo the car becasue much of this information surfaced afetr I restored it they was I found it. The history is quite fascinating and there's more to discover. In order to have a car like this worth 80, 90 thousand dollars it has to be a trailer queen, and while the car is nice and drives fast and is pretty I didn't buy a car to store it and make it a trailer queen, so I want to make my money now and move on. As far as scamming goes, well again thats conjecture and what I know about the car thus far points to COPO not anywhere else.

Do you understand, or are you just going to draw conclusions on alot of stuff you only think you know. IN this life what you know won't hurt you, it's what you know that isn't so that will hurt you a lot. Don't join in with these other prics and lower yourself I am just defending coz I have to and becasue I believe I am right, and in my past I have had to go against the grain and be very persistant about where I want to go and what I want to believe in and it has paid on on a number of occasions, and I believe that this will be another win in the end Roxxy becasue of that philosophy I have about how I do business and conduct my life. I very rarely believe in the common nonsense that we are fed from society and so called experts. Experts are only people who know alot about something, not everything, becasue no matter what the subject there is always more you can know, and thats what Iseek what they don't know for certain. the rest are going by the traditional thought on the subject even though they acknowledge that there aren't hard and fast rules on the subject nor does anyone have complete records either so there is room for a guy like me and I will see it through to the end.

If you can't respect that then I guess you know I don't care graemlins/waving.gif

watch out roxxy your making elmer mad

Malibu 400 isn't time for bed in Maine or something like that or doesn't your fishing boat leave soon??? Oh I know you put to much maple syrup on your pan cakes this morning :D

i'm having to much fun elmer..what do you have against fishermen??

hurry up elmer i gotta eat my pancakes and go to bed

Do you know the quickest way to make a pest go away? Quit feeding it! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bain:
It has not been demostrated that it's not a COPO..... Yes, it has.

What hasn't been done is that it hasn't been proven that it IS a COPO. By your philosophy I could say my '65 hasn't been proven to not be a Z16 therefore it must be one!

Originally posted by Rick_Nelson:
Do you know the quickest way to make a pest go away? Quit feeding it! :rolleyes: Naw, this is called "giving him enough rope..."

;)

Actually Bain I know alot about Chevelles I do own one and trust me it took a long time to verify what it was and it will cost us alot of money to restore it to its original state as it was used for drag racing most of its life. Honestly when we got the Velle I knew nothing the guy sold it to us as a Mlibu and it looked nice - which is why we bought it. A while later i found out that 13837 sequence on a 68 model was a SS model it still took us quite a while and alot of help here from Team Chevelle to find out what options it came with and what version of the 396 engine it had. I did this research myself went hunting down pervious owners and visiting the original dealer. And trust me it took GM Vintage Services a few months to come up with our iron clad documentation. (we even had the original POP in the dash). But with out Documentation from GM we never said that we had this or that - now i can say it and have to proof to back it up. things like POP Cowl Tags and Vins can be easily altered, engines can be restamped and build sheets can be reproduced. Why dont you just go and get your car appraised and sell it for what it is - because without the documentation to support your Car it will always be a CLONE

Originally posted by Rich-L79:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rick_Nelson:
Do you know the quickest way to make a pest go away? Quit feeding it! :rolleyes: Naw, this is called "giving him enough rope..."

;) </font>[/QUOTE]He has already hung himself time and time again. Maybe this time he will finally die. Everyone knows about this POS car and the POS that owns it.

Hey Jersey you are definietly subhuman go back to your cage and eat your bananas.

Roxy this isn't about your knwoledge of chevelles

L79 give it up it's a COPO, the history to date are not made up stories. They are concise and detailed, and more is coming in.

Look why don't all of you just mind your own business and go away and worry about your lives, I didn't ask for this topic to be reopened and I won't start another topic on it. THis is enough, go back to your pond you all can't handle the ocean.

Bye

Did he actually sell the car on Ebay - the link would not work for me a while ago :confused: Just wondering what the car actually sold for if it did sell ???

Bain,
If these folks are bothering you so much wouldn't it just be easier for you to sell your car, go away, and not reply. It's obvious that most of the people here don't care what your saying, and it seems like you don't care what anyone is saying to you, so the best thing to do is just sell it to whom ever, let the chips fall where they may, and fade to black.................


Rocky

Originally posted by Roxxy:
Did he actually sell the car on Ebay - the link would not work for me a while ago :confused: Just wondering what the car actually sold for if it did sell ??? The car did not sell on ebay, it did not meet the reserve. :rolleyes:

Bain, you started here quite some time ago so you brought this upon yourself. The reason this keeps going on is that many of us want to keep this as public as possible so we can help keep someone from being taken by buying a car they believe to be a COPO when it is not.

But we do thank you for exposing some of your sources for faked POPs, cowl tags, reprinted builtsheets and restamped blocks.

Originally posted by Bain:

Look why don't all of you just mind your own business and go away and worry about your lives, I didn't ask for this topic to be reopened and I won't start another topic on it. THis is enough, go back to your pond you all can't handle the ocean.

Bye Bain - Maybe you need to reflect back, it seems ever since the first of the year you've been using the sites lack of expertise in this quest you have been on...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000019

Sounds like you were looking for a car for personal use... Then you got interested in restamping engine numbers...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=002246

And then you found a 427 engine...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=002258

You ask for help figuring out some numbers...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=002351

Now all of a sudden you have a '69 with a 427 in it...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=002413

Then you learned about hidden vin numbers...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=002453

Then you go away for 3 or 4 months and come back interested in Yenko number...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000004

And you start acting weird asking questions about a car you actually own, but you're still seeking advice from the group...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=003086

Your car turns out to be a true copo after all the info that surfaced in the previous postings...

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000019

And here we are today, you calling everyone names and declairing nobody is qualified to say if your car is or isn't a copo. You have a 3rd party that is completely unknown to the folks that have been buying and selling these cars for years prior to you even knowing what copo is. Your said expert's claim to fame is restamping and making fakes... I think it's you who need to apologize to all all the good folks here that tried to help you. Too bad the news wasn't what you wanted to hear! I have never seen your face Bain but I can see the glow of $$ in your eyes. A few months ago you just wanted a car you could drive... Today you have alienated yourself from a good deal of the folks that might have been interested in your car...

It wouldn't surprise me to see someone take out an ebay ad kinda like this... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2486529314 But describing your car and maybe a bit more information... I don't think it would necessarly be right but from what I've read I'm not sure we all know right from wrong anyway...

I think you have asked for everything you have gotten...

That about says it all could have not said it better myself!!!!!!!

Hey Bain,
Would you consider a straight up trade:

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Lou_Merrell/72-1.jpg

Its a numbers matching six banger.
Shoot I'll even trow in my numbers matching John Deere and numbers matching Silverado.

We could always report him to the FBI for fraud which is a federal offense smile.gif . Bain, you are nothing more than a lying sack of monkey $hit whose only motive is to deceive a potential buyer into apying megabucks for a junker that is only worth a few thousand. When will you wake up out of your fantasy world and come to the realization that NO ONE believes you, not even your potential buyers. I read your feedback on Ebay about said car , it coincides with what has all been said here. Another thing you may want to take under consideration is going back to take a high school English class and learn how to speak properly. It's pretty easy to hide behind a computer screen and call people names and say no one knows anything, I'd like to see you say that to someone in person so I can get the enjoyment out of watching said person knock you back into Fantasyland where you belong.

Blue ss454 FBI are you for real, you wait all of you will find that I was right all a long.

End of story

Blue ss454 FBI are you for real, you wait all of you will find that I was right all a long. You people need lives

End of story

Hey DJD, it sure is a good thing you didn't go to law school coz you proved only one thing, I have been ****ing you guys not with potetial customers that have honest questions and wanted honest answers. THe history is real, and I am going to do what Roxy did do more research and get to the bottom of this to augment Gregs Help. Honestly The people who reported back to Chevelle tech about greg didn't tell what was really said because all of you would have had to shut up, and no body wants to do that. FBI please SSBLUE 454 your a motor head or mouth. INTENT INTENT thats the key to a crime, and purposely lieing has to trick a person into paying MORE than fair market value with intent. I believe everything I have said will come to pass, your the lier, and if it doesn't and I end up being wrong then I'll admit it, but when you guiys tell me to give it up, I will do that when I see clearly the evidence shows you were were right and not until then. you guys have said nothing intellignet thus far just a lot people,pretending to be upset joining the Lynch mob becasue it's popular, or the hobbiest protecting their authority label becasue they are all little demi Gods running around feeling important in there Chevelles and their followers, Fraud, I have committed no fraud unless it extends to seriously ****ing with all of your heads which wasn't too hard, guilty as charged, And you did a lot for my research. Ill let you all kow when it's official, or then again, I could probably have GOD hmself hand you official devine buildsheets and that wouldn't be good enough for you either.

Lets face it you guys just don't want it to be true becasue it would upset your small little world. GO **** YOURSELVES, I mean good bye

Originally posted by Bain:
GO **** YOURSELVES, I mean good bye You know pigmouth, I said early on that I could care about you or your car. This is how your momma raised you? To sit on your butt and tell everyone to go stuff it? You want good bye then go do it.

Funny .... when I call Greg's number it says:

Press 1 if you want your Chevelle, Nova or Camaro to be a COPO car.

Press 2 if you want your Chevelle, Nova or Camaro to be a Baldwin Motion car.

Press 3 if you want your Chevelle, Nova or Camaro to be a Yenko car.

Press 4 if you want your Chevelle, Nova or Camaro to be a Super Sport car.

Press 5 if you're calling from Team Chevelle.

So I pressed 5, and then I heard a &lt;click&gt; and then a dial tone. :D

I think I'll call him back and have him make my LS-5 a 1 of 1 Baldenko COPO.

And you wnder why tripple white

Muha Yabadabadoo

Bottom line is this:
Without any paperwork,its a nice COPO tribute car-period.And it isn't worth no 55K graemlins/sad.gif
Get the documentation to prove your claim.
I have read your posts back to January..you have asked some specific questions since then that has certainly tainted your current claims of this car.

Originally posted by Bain:
THe history is real, and I am going to do what Roxy did do more research and get to the bottom of this to augment Well Bain your history here has proved itself too - you went from owning a 69 Chevelle with a 454 in it to now having a COPO (correct me if I am wrong but are they not the same car ?!?!)

Something else you said earlier - if you paid the money for the documentatiion you would have to restore the car differently then you have. This Bain is where you are wrong people will Pay Top Dollar for a COPO car in it original state or not because the potential Value of the car is evident.

Point being - pay the few bucks if this guy Greg is legit Show us your documentation and prove you are right. Beceause on Team Chevelle we are the Judge and Jury and right now we all think you are a Money hungry Liar who is trying to scam some poor loser on Ebay.

We dont want you to rip someone off. IT is not fair to them and it makes it harder for people like us to get fair value for our cars because people just wont trust us.

Originally posted by Bain:
Hey DJD, it sure is a good thing you didn't go to law school coz you proved only one thing, I have been ****ing you guys not with potetial customers that have honest questions and wanted honest answers. THe history is real...Any chance you could use words that don't get ***'d by the system. You might want to read the sentense you wrote, it makes no sense to me what so ever, please clairify... FYI all I did is make it easier for folks to see the facts, law school wouldn't have helped me do that.

Since you appear to fess up to the fact that you are Greg (user 676767) from dpe on the Yenko site that just helps support all the deceptions.

Originally posted by DjD:
Since you appear to fess up to the fact that you are Greg (user 676767) from dpe on the Yenko site that just helps support all the deceptions. graemlins/sad.gif :(


Hello..Van Dalay Industries :D

bwain..are these wascally wabbits from t.c. still picking on wou?wou tell dem to go wuck themselves...wou should tell dem how wou and gweg got in wour time machine and went bwack in to da baltimore pwant and personawwy picked up your copwo as soon as it came off the line!gotta go eat my pancakes, bye...

Oh, p.s: all of those guys at the wenko site are full of cwap too...

Originally posted by Bain:
Ill let you all kow when it's official.I guess I'll be waiting forever until the end of time to see it
Originally posted by Bain:
I could probably have GOD hmself hand you official devine buildsheets and that wouldn't be good enough for you either.No it wouldn't be good enough because I don't believe in fairy tales and invisible beings that I can't see.

Originally posted by Bain:
Lets face it you guys just don't want it to be true becasue it would upset your small little world. GO **** YOURSELVES, I mean good bye Yet you keep coming back for more. You must be the biggest douchebag in the world. Also you still have not mastered the English language graemlins/sad.gif

im not a resto freak, im a younger guy with a need for speed, so i could care less about a copo or any other big money car. but what makes me really mad is the fact that this filthbag is selling a car that isnt worth anymore than mine as a copo and asking big money for it. the freaking car bid up to $55,000 and the reserve wasnt met!!!

hmmm my car has a 427 in it, today out of the blue i got a call from the 2nd owners uncles cousins brothers sister and she said that the car had a 427 in it when they had the car. so it must be a ultra rare 1 of 1 1966 SS427 Chevelle. its got to be worth at least $60,000-$70,000 right? i could always have Bwain and Gweg at DPE authenticate it!!!!

that car was never a copo and never will be. all the evidence is neatly laid out for all of us to see.

you know if a person lies enough they will begin to believe the lies as truth.

so wheres my banana? my apelike subhuman azz is hungry.

Dear Brandon,

IT is very disappointing to see that you have been infected with the disease that these other people have, Mob Rule, it's very ugly. Lets take a look at your analogy about your cousins brother friends story as it compares to mine. A real person who I can contact anytime has given me a 20 year history of the car as he owned it, and I know the dealer who sold the car to the guy I bought it from. THese are actually undisputed facts, and if you choose to disbelieve that I could give you Russells email address and he can do the unpaid confirmation of the facts that I know about the car today. IF YOU REALLY CARE! Truly talking to me like I am a filth is repugnant, do you know what that means, it means really distgusting as pertains to your unjustified unsubstatiated commments, don't be like the rest of these OLD coots who have coconuts where Brains cells used to be. Use your head, you don't know really anything about it, alot conjecture thats it.

Let me tell you a story about hearsay and conjecture:

I once owned a business and we were moving that business to another loocation. My Boxing speedbag assembly a very heavy peiece of equipment remained outside. Most of the tenants had stuff outside and it was always ok, so I thought one night would be all right. The next morning the item was gone, and all that was left were a bunch of white footprints where it was leading back to the Bakery nect door. And I thought those lousy theiving bastards, and called the owner up and accused his employees of stealing my boxing unit, well he checked around and they didn't do it the guys down the way did, I got it back. Moral of the story, not everything is as it seems and it is REALLY easy to draw rash inaccurate conclusions based on some so called evidence, thats why circumstatial evidence isn't usually enough to get someone convicted of a crime, unless of course you have the Chevelle Tech and Yenko.net guys on your Jury, they'll vote you guilty just becasue your there the Police must be right. Brandon most things in this world are illusion with truth usually hiding behind the picture you see, in this case the value of a COPO is an illusion, it's just a car, but the illusion is what people see. I am like you I just want a fast car, I lucked into this COPO, and yes so long as in the end I can prove it's a copo to a buyer I will cash in on the illusion. Her is the illusion on Chevelle Tech, a bunch of old coots who are worried about their athority status and following being undermined, and they will seek to protect really the only thing that makes them feel important in their life.

After this car is sold I am out of the car biz and I will just have a nice Clone SS 454 sitting for driving not for sitting and looking.

So This is where I hope you stop and learn to hold judgement until the end of the day and that has not come yet, and it doesn't come when Chevelle Tech says it comes when my research on the car is complete and it is or is not a COPO, I believe it is thats why I am continuing the investigation. You will no doubt see it on Ebay again I am sure, but this next time be prepared to see either real deal look what we have, or CLONE really nice!

Square Deal Al :D

YOU know Mailbu 400 I really didn't like you at first, but that last post really had me crackin up
An wou wight allda way

Oh the dwama :D

Well, after that very impressive detective work by Djd, I would be happy if you explained why the car and its VIN is not on COPO.com, and since it is not, have you discussed this car with Ed C., the person who runs that site? I wonder if he has seen this thread?

After looking at the L72 numbers published on his site, your car doesnt look anywhere near the series of numbers that encompasses the COPO cars. If your car truly is what it says it is, I suggest having it verified by a COPO AUTHORITY like Ed C, and then coming here and stating its a genuine article. What you are trying to do is equivalent to someone with what is supposedly a "Baldwin Motion" car doing every single thing to prove its a BM car EXCEPT getting it verified by Joel Rosen. There was a '68 Camaro at BarJ this year, that could have easily gone for A LOT more money than it went for, but the seller supposedly "lost" the Rosen paper work, or something to that effect.

Additionally, there was a brown '69 COPO Camaro there, and it had A LOT of paperwork, the least of which was verification of its existence by Ed C of COPO.com. And yes, that car IS LISTED on his website. L531088 Burnished Brown, Covina CA- The only LA COPO known.

it is REALLY easy to draw rash inaccurate conclusions based on some so called evidence, thats why circumstatial evidence isn't usually enough to get someone convicted of a crime, And circumstantial evidence isn't enough to prove its a COPO...

And supposedly recieving "authentication" from someone "known" to provide goods and services that are illegal/immoral/unethical just makes matters worse (Greg at DPE). Maybe I am wrong, but stamping VIN #s on a block, making duplicate VIN tags and POPs is either illegal, immoral or unethical (and likely a combination of those), at least from what I have read.

There was a post in another Forum (Unrelated to Chevelles, etc), in which DPE was mentioned as providing these things...

ANYBODY would have to admit that its really ironic that nobody in the COPO world knows that DPE has these documents, YET, Bain just happens to find out... Who contacted who? Why hasn't this guy contacted others before?

The portion about the guy being busy is pure BS... Sure, if the guy was giving away the info, then maybe he'd be too busy with other work... If he's going to charge Bain for it (and I am assuming well over $1000, then that would be easy work to dig up (for that type of price)...

Because nobody in the COPO/Chevelle world seems to know Greg/DPE, I would doubt they have any info. Because of there other "shady" work (broaching, restamping, etc), I would assume this "documentation" is also bogus. Its kinda like the 'boy who cried wolf'. DPE is known for doing this stuff, so who will believe it if the info is real...


Maybe Bains car is a real COPO...

Maybe Greg at DPE REALLY has the actual documentation...

But both parties (Bain and DPE have NO CREDIBILITY), BECAUSE of their history...


An apology to Bain, BUT (except for the bad language and personal stuff), the people on this site are doing more of a service than a dis-service to the public... and even to Bain... Bain should watch out for guys like DPE, preying on people like Bain... Honestly, Bain, I would want to actually SEE all of Gregs documents (just a quick glance) to honestly Know that your set isn't the only one (because he just created them). If it will take him alot of time to search for your docs, then obviously he must have MANY...

Since Bain's credibility is shot, everyone here just wants to be sure that ANYONE stupid enough to take the risk on your car as a COPO (even with Gregs docs), needs others to help them determine if they are getting their moneys worth...that no one gets screwed...

Even if Bain's car is a real COPO, it is not a bargain (missing original pieces, not fully restored to correct COPO, etc, yet asking high-dollar), and therefore I personally would not knowingly let anyone take that risk without first knowing what so many others think of the car and the seller... Its one thing if a few people or one site think bad of someone. Its another when many people of many different forums ALL seem to disagree with Bain...

Then, if someone is still stupid enough for that investment at that price, then let them...

But, its my duty as a person and a Chevelle lover, to help ensure no one gets screwed, as long as I have any info or knowledge to help their decision...

And that means bringing up all the "negatives" about the car, seller and potential parts/docs he is obtaining, and bringing those negatives (and positives, if known) up in a public forum where hopefully, the future buyer would frequent in their search for such a car...

your talking to deaf ears over here, I made my own conclusions and at no time or point did anyone here or at the other sites have anything to do with that conclusion.

it was YOUR words, contradictions, lies, and story changing that led me to that conclusion. as i said the evidence is all neatly laid out for all of us to see.

only an absolute moron would believe you, good luck in finding a person that moronic to buy your NOT-A-COPO. im sure that not one person here or on the other sites you have visited will be that person.

got another Banana Bwain?

watch out ratonastick he has a speedbag..I think it's hit him in the head a few to many times

Originally posted by malibu400:
watch out ratonastick he has a speedbag..I think it's hit him in the head a few to many times :D

A real person who I can contact anytime has given me a 20 year history of the car as he owned it, and I know the dealer who sold the car to the guy I bought it from.Let's see.... 20 years ago, it was 1984. The Chevelle was 15 yrs old. Just 'cause it had a 427 in 1984 means exactly NOTHING! The way these cars were driven, that could have been it's fifth replacement engine. BTW... people WERE cloning big block cars in the 1980s (because SS396 cars cost considerably more than Malibus even back then), so for all we know, this car began life as a 307 Malibu.

I can picture the next e-bay listing...1969 copo clone in pretty nice shape, unfortunately, its current owner is such a jackass that the barnyard odor of BS has perminately ruined this car $300 reserve not met so will trade for 93 escort wagon (need not be running)

Gweggie does have the documentation because he made it. Gweggie is just as big a douchebag as Bwain is.

"Old Coots" eh???, I guess being 24 makes me an "old coot". I am also 100% positive that ALL of the "old coots" here have more chevelle knowledge in one finger nail than you have in that empty head of yours.

OOH Mr. BlueSS454 I must have struck a nerve you sound mad Hahah!

AS I said I don't owe any of you an explaination on the the contradictions you perceive, Rat on the stick well can I say I told the way it was and he just wants to be brainwashed thats ok.

Dear Nova Dude: Since getting the facts exactly right the first time has been such a big deal for everyone, and being hyper accurate with no deviations at all has been such an issue, please allow me to correct you:

I bought the car in January of 2004 from a military guy who bought it for 14,000, he drove it for abotu 1.5 years, he bought it from Golden Classics in Florida who bought it from Russell Gendreau in 2002. 1982 - 2002 was Russ's time with the car.

He bought it from his friend who bought it from a friend and the 2nd owner Mark English was also a friend of Russells. NOw I am taking his word that he knows Mark English and telling the truth his account states that Mark bought it in 1974 from ??? still looking for Mark right now. 1974 20,000 miles on the car supposedly with the 427 No matching engine. The only real history that is substatiated is Russell's time, coz after that doesn't matter if they are were friends it's second hand and has to be verified. NOvadude you know you guys are right I spoke way to soon and have learned a lot about the history of this car I wish I knew before I restored the car coz I would have done it differently. All most of you can really accuse me of not liking my style, crook thats something none of you and if you knew me and my records of my life you would be apologising for saying such repugnant inaccurate lies. Shame on you all

NOW GUESS WHAT GUYS I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU. WHY HAVEN'T WE HEARD FROM OLD ED CUNNEEN?? YOU KNOW ED HAS DONE A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH GREG AT DPE, AND YET WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING FROM HIM, NOTHING, NOW THATS FISHY, WHERE ARE YOU ED, DO YOU WANT TO TELL THE SAME LAME STORY AS SS454 DID AFTER CALLING GREG YOUR LONG TIME BUSINESS ASSOCIATE. CALLING ALL ED CUNEENS WHERE ARE YOU.

Rat on a stick you have rocks in your head, and it is a COPO, and time will tell all things.

Dean you shouldn't have done it, shut it down,

Bain,I'm really interested in why you haven't responded to my comments..why not wait until you have this documentation in hand before offering the car for sale? Answer that question please.A whole lot of drama could have been avoided if you had it in hand.

Have you contacted Ed Cunneen? If you want to talk to him, you need to make the call. Calling him out on this or any other site will not do you any good. You are the one that needs him, he doesn't need you. If you want to put an end to all this, make the call. If anyone can verify this car, he is the one to do it.
James

Bain,remember saying this:

"I was think that at the very least you could call this a very original COPO replica"

or "if it's not a COPO chevelle in the restoration should I make it a COPO chevelle replica or Yenko Replica to achieve it's best market value"


again,answer my question:
Why not wait to advertise the car until you have the proof? :confused:
Ever hear of "saving face"

OK Mr. 4 sp if thats an important questions for you I will do the best I can do answer it. Mind some of the reasons are personal and won't dwelve into them, but others are certainly open for anyone to know.

I sold my company in October of 2000 and since then I have been learning about my old muscle car obsession and playing golf mini tours and stuff. One thing I realize after nearly 4 years was the reason for success in business was focus, and I am at a point where I need to get busy doing what I am going to do. I have decided to committ to playing professional golf full time like a real disciplined person does and simliar to my life as a dedicated business man, without that focus you can't be the best and certainly you can't hope to compete with the best. So I am selling anything to do with my car stuff including the car.

The car while it would pull another 25,000 dollars with paperwork and a rerestore of the car back to original now that there is some certainty that this is a COPO, look at what I have to do to restore that car not so much in money terms but TIME. It will be next year before I could sell this car and still it won't pull more than 80,000. So I have to do more work that I have decided I don't want to do any more, I don't want a car I have to garage almost all the time. I am rarely ever here, and it makes much more sense to find a restorer who low balls me a bit but I still make out too. Everything I did took more time that was anticipated ( thats normal ) THen at the end of the day it was all wrong waisted direction, and now I have another year of money just sitting in a car I can't drive with that nonsense in the back of my mind something I don't need.

So thats why, and if I can get a decent price why not, I bought the car to restore and sell. My first love Chevelle is the 1970 anyway. I took the expensive route, and although I am not hurting for money, it doesn't grow on trees either and I must get back into training soon, done screwing around with cars for now.

Maybe after I have won a tournament, I have let so many get away since I started playing pro mostly due to not enough practice or too many distraction in too many areas of interest. I am getting back to ONE THING thats the only way to be the best at anything.

Hopefully that answers your question.

NO JAMES I don't need to do that, and it is very interesting that Ed has used Greg's services isn't.

It's stange it's ok for guys like Ed to use Gregs services I guess coz there so reputable, but for guys like me or you oh what are you trying to do pull a fraud.

THis subject has gone so far and infurated so many people on a subject he's supposedly an authority on I would just love to see Ed's presense on this forum to comment on his relationship with Greg at DPE, coz they know each other and Ed has used his services?????????

OH but I am the fraud, go away James graemlins/angry.gif

Bain,with all due respect,your statements don't answer my question..
Why induce all this drama and controversy over the potential status of this car without any paperwork?
I don't understand why time and playing golf have to do with you getting this paperwork..its only money,and it can't be that expensive..hell,in regards to time,the time you would have invested to drop a MO in the mail for payment of the docs would have been alot less time than you spent defending your car and its potential status on the internet.

This just gets better by the moment.

... and that's the first and last word that I'll say on this subject.

quite comical to say the least. Now will someone PLEASE get this guy a spell checker

i still think arnold palmer should use his time machine and prove all of you wrong...hey arnie are you a professional putt-putt golf pro?

Its like a soap opera,, I just have to keep reading,,In 30 years of this hobby I have seen and heard some crazy crap, but this COPO story leaves em all in the dust,, where does this guy get this crap from,? and who does he think he's kiddin ?? Hope the Hurricane dont knock my power out, dont wanna miss round 5,, carry on,, this is funny stuff !! Dam man,, get a build sheet or a protecto plate or sumtin,, or just shut up for Gods sake!!!!!!!! Your makin a fool outta your self,, save wat you have left sir.

Can I be second in line for movie rights?

bwain is busy typing up a retort to mr. 4 speed so hes asked me to come clean with you guys...his real name is tiger woods and all of this contraversy about his 69 volkswagon copo is throwing off his game.hes going to be in a masters tournament next week so i think we should give him some slack...

Rat on a stick you have rocks in your head :D i sure do, sounds like a struck a nerve there Bwainiac. im just a subhuman apelike creature with rocks in my head. oh i like bananas and live in a cage.

like i said before no one brainwashed me or influenced me in any way, and i made my own conclusions from your incriminating words and contradictions.

and one more time, you car never was a copo and never will be. you can lie, fake docs etc and spend all the money you have on the car, its just a clone. and not even a good one at that!

whats up with the SS emblems? your car must be a rare one of one NOT-A-COPO with SS emblems. that has to boost the value to at least $100,000. i bet your alter ego Gweg at DPE can authenticate it.

signed,
Mugilla

To me it sounds like you all are really enjoying this so why stop, they say truth is stranger than fiction, and I guess it right.

Mr. 4sp 6 months to a year for the docs, this wasn't the plan, the car is sold guys now can we end this?

Or I suppose we all have to know who bought it, anyone game for the answer?

it'll blow your mind!

His initials are __ __

his initals are...tiger woods..or would that be tw?

Hey Rat boy: It's not It's not I have my own Brain I do I do I do, you can't brainwash me, it's not a copo, it's not. You all saw it's not righht right you all saw right it's not copo right everyone agree, yea so tdhere BAin it's not and never never never will it be one ever, so thdere, graemlins/thumbsup.gif

You can't handle a rat go back to a mouse

I will take E for $500

http://www2.acc.af.mil/accnews/feb02/fortuneR.JPG

No it's not TW

Roxy you are impressing me, you listen you don't get bent out of shape, and now you have humor, and your right E is one of the intials wow, are you married

it must be elmer fudd then...

Well it looks like you are darn

Originally posted by Bain:
Roxy you are impressing me, you listen you don't get bent out of shape, and now you have humor, and your right E is one of the intials wow, are you married Yes I am Married - and I am Female

I will take M for $100

Wrong again Malibu

No I am sorry next person just so you know F, M, T, & W are used are not correct

did you trade it for the 93 escort?

Malibu a car like this that went for 55,000 on ebay just missed the resrve, I of course went back to those who were close and bingo car sold, deposit made first initial E second guess or do I just have to tell you

Originally posted by 71elkySS454:
Can I be second in line for movie rights? As long as I can play the assasin in it :D .

Originally posted by Bain:
Malibu a car like this that went for 55,000 on ebay just missed the resrve, I of course went back to those who were close and bingo car sold, deposit made first initial E second guess or do I just have to tell you Second letter C

it must have been mr. ed because a copo is a copo of course, of course.this is a matter that we'll endorse...

Originally posted by malibu400:
it must have been mr. ed because a copo is a copo of course, of course.this is a matter that we'll endorse... Damn you beat me to the punch


Wait are we all on the Joe Schmo Show? graemlins/clonk.gif

Can this 'Greg at DPE' hook me up with someone who will certify me as a golf pro? I'd like to never work again. If selling your COPO at a fraction of it's worth is any indication, we're gonna be RICH. :rolleyes:

I figure now that everyone knows about Greg, it won't be long before he gets busted. I'll make sure he knows who to thank. graemlins/beers.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
OOH Mr. BlueSS454 I must have struck a nerve you sound mad Hahah!

AS I said I don't owe any of you an explaination on the the contradictions you perceive, Rat on the stick well can I say I told the way it was and he just wants to be brainwashed thats ok. You're such an a$$hole. The contradictions ARE NOT perceived. YOU BROUGHT THEM ON YOURSELF WITH ALL OF THE DOUBLE TALK. ARE YOU THAT F-ING BLIND???????????? OR SIMPLY THAT F-ING STUPID.

bwain i'm going to bed, i have to fly the first manned mission to mars tommorrow, i'm sure everyone on this post wishes you were on it...

Originally posted by Bain:
Mr. 4sp 6 months to a year for the docs, this wasn't the plan, the car is sold guys now can we end this? Thank You for that info..now,your auction says this:

"IF THE WINNING BIDDER IS UNSATISFIED IN ANYWAY JUST SAY SO AND I WILL NOT HOLD YOU LIABLE FOR THE FINAL BID PRICE OR LISTING FEES, WHEN YOUR SATISFIED WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOCUMENTATION THEN YOU PAY, AND IT MAY A TAKE A WHILE AFTER THE BID TO GET THIS LEVEL OF SATISFACTION COMPLETED, I WILL WAIT FOR YOU TO BE SATISFIED, AND YOUR WINNING BID TAKES PRECEDENCE, I AM NOT A HARD CASE OR HARD UP FOR MONEY SO I CAN WAIT FOR YOU AND GREG AT D.P.E."


So,the new owner has 6 months to a year to pay you for the car? :confused:
You quote that you will wait for them to be satisfied.
How much did you sell it for?

Originally posted by malibu400:
bwain i'm going to bed, i have to fly the first manned mission to mars tommorrow, i'm sure everyone on this post wishes you were on it... while your there dont forget to stop by Uranus :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif

that's bwain's home planet!

55,000 Mr. 4sp , hey Blue 454ss or ss blue 454 or is it a 747 or whatever I have really got you out of control, I brought this on myself, yea a **** load of fun messing with you ahhah :D Lets go some more pal
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55,000 for a car that needs to be re-restored yea baby graemlins/beers.gif

guess who bought it

bugs bunny...

Originally posted by Bain:
guess who bought it Greg!! :D


someone that has to wait 6 months to a year for documents

55K for a car that has none of the original equipment,a 71 steering wheel,an SS396 emblem on the rear cove,and no paperwork(yet)
only in America..

EC see ya guys

Originally posted by malibu400:
bugs bunny... daffy duck is more like it smile.gif . You're disssspicable :D

Maybe you should tell me who bought it so I can find them and tell them they have been defrauded. I am sure that would go over well considering it was probably a 6 cylinder car with a 3 speed on the tree to begin with.

i think it was really elvis, and he got his initals mixed up...

cheer up everyone, at least now next week we can watch tiger bains make a 50- foot putt through the windmill with his speedbag...

EDWARD J CUNNEEN !! :eek:

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/438/untitled252.jpg

At least I can Mr. Mailbu, and thanks for the name Tiger Bain I like that, yea ok everyone you heard Malibu 400 the new name is Tiger Bain graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Roxy you are taleted I think you should go into business for paperwork docs for these cars. Wow again impressed, and yes EC now good night children, isn't it strange it took a woman to figure it out what a bunch of apes the male membership represents here I quit please moderator discontinue my membership as of now all has been said. I feel that if I don't distance myself from these low intelligence grunts immediately I may never again fulfill a dream in my life, for I will forever be worshipping a car and forgotten youth, thanks Roxy for showing the light good bye all I evolving bye bye it's been fun I'm on to better things thanks for the memories bye graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
Roxy you are taleted I think you should go into business for paperwork docs for these cars. Wow again impressed, and yes EC now good night children, isn't it strange it took a woman to figure it out what a bunch of apes the male membership represents here I quit please moderator discontinue my membership as of now all has been said. I feel that if I don't distance myself from these low intelligence grunts immediately I may never again fulfill a dream in my life, for I will forever be worshipping a car and forgotten youth, thanks Roxy for showing the light good bye all I evolving bye bye it's been fun I'm on to better things thanks for the memories bye graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif So let me get this straight if i call Ed C he will tell me he purchased your car ???

Man tomorrow during regular business hours I think i will have to place a call!

PS You were having a hard time to track the original owner - what you have never heard of the DMV?
graemlins/clonk.gif graemlins/clonk.gif graemlins/angry.gif :confused:

Originally posted by Bain:
Roxy you are taleted I think you should go into business for paperwork docs for these cars.So you are condoning proccessing FAKE paperwork???

Originally posted by Bain:
isn't it strange it took a woman to figure it out what a bunch of apes the male membership represents here .That sounds like a racist remark to me

Originally posted by Bain:
I quit please moderator discontinue my membership as of now all has been said. .You are not a member of Team Chevelle, you never were. Must be another delusion.
Originally posted by Bain:
I feel that if I don't distance myself from these low intelligence grunts immediately I may never again fulfill a dream in my life, for I will forever be worshipping a car and forgotten youth, thanks Roxy for showing the light good bye all I evolving bye bye it's been fun I'm on to better things thanks for the memories bye graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif Something tells me you will still show up, like as soon as I send this reply in I am sure you will have some delusional statement to make which in turn will make you look like an even bigger fool if that is even possible at this point. By the way, you still seriously need to learn how to use the English Language.

Bluess454 you think woman are from a different race? Thats the only way it could be racist, maybe you meant sexist.

Hey Roxy when you call EC up tomorrow mkae sure you talk to him about Greg at D.P.E. as for the car he I think he will deny it. I will tell you why later after you report back to us.

this topic is great i just spend like 30 mintues reading it! :D
thanks for the humor

this is getting pretty childish dont you all think especially tiger bain come on give it up stop this crap and go away!!!!!

As long as we continue to feed the tiger, he will continue to come back for more food. Quit feeding the tiger and he will go away! graemlins/sad.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
Bluess454 you think woman are from a different race? Thats the only way it could be racist, maybe you meant sexist.

Hey Roxy when you call EC up tomorrow mkae sure you talk to him about Greg at D.P.E. as for the car he I think he will deny it. I will tell you why later after you report back to us. Just waiting for a Return Call right now Bain - I am sure he will tell me he never bought it either :rolleyes: but anyway Congrats on selling the car - but all i can say is I PITY THE FOOL graemlins/clonk.gif

Interesting that that reserve on the car wasn't met, yet you sold the car. I thought that was also against the terms and conditions of Ebay, as the car didn't actually sell by the close of the auction. But, whatever ...

Wow, only $55k?? Ed isn't dumb enough to buy a clone and certainly not at that price. So, I doubt it's him. Don't worry -- no accusation here. No need bothering to try to convince me otherwise since I'm positive he didn't buy it. I just hope that whoever is buying it takes you up on your offer and verifies what it is they're purchasing. Not asking for the cash until the buyer is "satisfied" leaves much room for the buyer to get out of this deal ... and legally at that. The first guy that tried to scam me on a car deal two years ago, stated less than you did about the car and the courts made him buy back the car plus compensate me $5k for damages. Something to think about. It's all in the wording.

I hope for your sake, that you ran your "business" more honestly than the deal you are making with your "COPO". Or perhaps that's why you no longer have your business? I don't know, nor do I care. I realize you've been under attack, but it's been for good reason and you responded pretty poorly. Oh well. Good luck with your golfing hobby. Hopefully I won't see you on the golfing forums trying to pass off a set of K-Mart clubs as Titleists that "Ernie Els" has verified. :D

Just remember, what goes around comes around. I hope for your sake what you have is legit -- you do know God drives a Chevelle, don't you? That would put this as an act of blasphemy.

Originally posted by TripleWhiteSS454:
you do know God drives a Chevelle, don't you? That would put this as an act of blasphemy. I always knew God had Good Taste but someone told me he was driving a Ford :eek:

Originally posted by Roxxy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TripleWhiteSS454:
you do know God drives a Chevelle, don't you? That would put this as an act of blasphemy. I always knew God had Good Taste but someone told me he was driving a Ford :eek: </font>[/QUOTE]Only if you're talking about a '69 Mach 1 428 Cobra Jet. And he only drives that on race day. ;)

Looky here...

I did a search for "Al Bain" Texas and this is what came up...

WARNING: Site may NOT be work Friendly!!!

http://www.cranescorvette.com/new_page_12.htm

Have to scroll way down the page...

#512 DATED ---was .030 now fresh .060" K-26-8 Nov. 26, 1968 4-bolt $2,900 (includes the $200 decking and graining cost). stamping not included. Rack= bldg A sold to Al Bain -Texas/australia- who never sent a check to pay for shipping/and never fulfilled "his" written contract -- a little crooked guy from texas/australia - watch him. Just more reason to be sceptical...

That's VERY interesting, 1966_L78! And even more interesting is that Bain claimed that the very casting & dated block in that ad is now in his Chevelle, but now it has a matching VIN#! I guess he stepped up and paid extra for the stamping!

Interesting...

Originally posted by Chevy454:
That's VERY interesting, 1966_L78! And even more interesting is that Bain claimed that the very casting & dated block in that ad is now in his Chevelle, but now it has a matching VIN#! I guess he stepped up and paid extra for the stamping!

Interesting... OUCH! http://www.redliners.ca/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/owned.gif

you do know God drives a Chevelle, don't you? That would put this as an act of blasphemy.

Well I hadn't heard that but I am sure he had something to do with the design work you know devine inspiration and all that, coz it's just too good, I think the designers thought they were the ones and giot wierd from 1973 on.

Yes this is humorous isn't it, and guess what the car is a COPO. Always was always will be no matter what anyone says

Originally posted by 1966_L78:
Looky here...

I did a search for "Al Bain" Texas and this is what came up...

http://www.cranescorvette.com/new_page_12.htm

Have to scroll way down the page...

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> #512 DATED ---was .030 now fresh .060" K-26-8 Nov. 26, 1968 4-bolt $2,900 (includes the $200 decking and graining cost). stamping not included. Rack= bldg A sold to Al Bain -Texas/australia- who never sent a check to pay for shipping/and never fulfilled "his" written contract -- a little crooked guy from texas/australia - watch him. Just more reason to be sceptical... </font>[/QUOTE]MODERATOR COMMENT!:
It does need to be pointed out that the site referenced in the link is not entirely work friendly!

Yea you know I bought several blocks last year, and sold some complete set ups to would be clone makers, no law against that. As far Dave is concerned he is little fuzzy on the facts, what he's upset about is he didn't read the contract I wrote up, he was required to do the decking and broaching inclusive of the price of 2200 dollars, and he was required to cover the shipping. What he's mad about is he wanted my existing block and my heads, but all items had a P.O. value on them, so as long as he wasn't out any other items and the ones that got shipped were paid, which they were, I can decide against doign the rest of the deal antime coz each phase was priced out and paid for as we took each step. He just wanted what I had, and I got a better price for them elsewhere, it's that simple, he could sue me coz there wewre no damages, so now I see he decided to slander me, thats OK he a small man who can talk from both sides of his mouth at the same time. I run into character like him all the time, their a dime a dozen, petty with reciprocity at the core of their being.

SS454, aren't tired yet of trying to discredit the tiger, or have got more hopefully something really damaging that would shake the core of this forum, it's you so I doubt it lacks substance. You know I was thinking and umh it seems to me since this was most likely a factory prototype that made it to a dealer as a demo I bet you it was delivered to Yenko Chevrolet for Don to try out and to help him sell more through the year. Can you imagine that a car Don drove, and the very first yenko Chevelle wow, that would kind of make thing idfferent for your club wouldn't. Well I guess the next owner will be able to prove that on their time.

See Ya

Don't you think you should be out stroking your putter or something getting ready for the PRO BS tour.


Rocky

This last post either has to be a joke, or Bain is getting more and more dillusional everyday. It's funny how everytime someone from here comes up with another piece of evidence that shoots holes in his story he immediately tries to discredit the person with the information yet never discredits the information. I have to tell you Bain, you would make one heck of a defense lawyer, you can distort the facts like no one I have ever seen, except maybe Bill Clinton. tongue.gif

YOu kinow rock I once thought your saying about a man and his chevelle are a beautiful thing was kinda cool, but after seeing all the wankers here with their Chevelles I think it's more likely that all you guys with Chevelles are out wanking in the back seats of your cars pretending a 18 year old chick is really interested in you.

It's an illusions dude wake up there is more to life than a Chevelle, trust me you thank me when you discover the truth.

Go with God Rocky and discover the truth.

Correction about Dave in my post above, He couldn't sue thats why he used his web site in his pathetic attempt to slander me, as the moderator pointed out he is suspect, but by all means talk to him do some biz with him, but remmeber he's the one to whatch out for.

I remember his words quite well, you and you fancy contracts, he should talk hahhahaaa!

I did I what said he did what e said, but he still wanted more it's sad

You Elli, it's funy you say that, My exwife said said the same damn thing, but she was full of tricks and games as well ( LA Girl) YUc. Anyway
I did enroll in Law School last year, but I changed my mind I hate Lawyers, but knowing a lot about the law I think is something everyone has a responsibility to know about.

I have heard some of the evidence and accusations and wild leaps of logic by some barely novice detectives and wanna be cops here, they need to really understand what real eviedence is, and when it realy adds up to crook or fraud, so far the only thing that is proven is that there is an unknown story that explains everything, and I am not getting on the stand, coz I don't have to, nobody has proven anything conclusively to any stadard of evidence

Perponderance
Clear and convincing, or by a reasonable doubt.

So until it's somebody else business it's my business and my statements stand It's a COPO 427, and it's sold, and you guys can't handle the truth, so why bother, Elli and Roxy might be the exception, but still it's my business.

Originally posted by Bain:
I did I what said he did what e said, but he still wanted more it's sad :confused: Ya! If you say so!!

"All your copo are belong to Bain"

Originally posted by TripleWhiteSS454:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roxxy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TripleWhiteSS454:
you do know God drives a Chevelle, don't you? That would put this as an act of blasphemy. I always knew God had Good Taste but someone told me he was driving a Ford :eek: </font>[/QUOTE]Only if you're talking about a '69 Mach 1 428 Cobra Jet. And he only drives that on race day. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I Heard he was driving as 67 Mustang Fastback Red cause red is the fastest color

No way, blue is the fastest color! Just ask the guy in the IROC with his moon dish hubcaps, chain steering wheel, gold gas cover, and fake tatoos graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Hope I never get challenged to race one of those puppies

Perponderance
Clear and convincing, or by a reasonable doubt.
Preponderance


Do you mean you applied to law school? No sane person would expend the time and money required to be accepted and then choose not to attend.

I suppose "sane" is the key word in that statement.

Originally posted by Bain:
nobody has proven anything conclusively to any stadard of evidence
Most importantly, this applies to you, Bain more than anyone. Or should I say "Bane".

The only thing worse than a bald-faced liar is a bald-faced liar that refuses to admit to their lies when they are caught in the act.

To date you have STILL not provided one shred of tangible evidence for anyone to consider aside from some vague stories we have no way of validating one way or another thus which cannot be considered within the discussion. At this point all we have is your word on any claims about this car and at this point in time that amounts to less than nothing. Instead of wasting more and more time explaining how we are not worthy of sharing your valued information with, either lay down the proof or be quiet and go away.

Of course any tangible evidence you may lay down at this point will be highly suspect as having been faked so it would appear your only choice is to be quiet and go away. You really have no clue how many of the folks here are simply laughing in your face do you? And that's laughing AT you not WITH you.

Originally posted by thunderstruck507:
No way, blue is the fastest color! Just ask the guy in the IROC with his moon dish hubcaps, chain steering wheel, gold gas cover, and fake tatoos graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Hope I never get challenged to race one of those puppies Damn you mean all this time i was wrong - why the hell have i been buying red cars graemlins/angry.gif

Rich, Sorry, I went and placed a warning in my post...

This thread is damn funny.

I just hope Bain sticks to golf, because this hobby DEFINITELY does not need people like him. We should all be grateful he sold his POS and is getting out of muscle cars.

Well Mr. Rich L79, I did consider relealing the info and letting you guys ask away to someone else, and the guy did say I could, but in my discretion after seeeing how the unjustified accusations work around here I decided not to release the hounds on this poor fella, he has kids and a life, and he doesn't need you harrassing him, and thats what your about, a complete and solid history is just as good as a build sheet you know nothing of relevenace on this subject you should just retire and quit talking here, go over resto corner where you belong.

Nueman, I was in Australia at the time, and I applied to University of Queensland, a good letter, transcripts proving a degree and grade worhtiness was, and of course I was an older student, allowed me to bypass the had to put out in the USA. I didn't go coz I hate Lawyers, and I don't want be something I hate. I checked with the BAR in several states in the US and as long as I was admitted in Australia I could come take a class on the selected states BAR examine and take that examine as soon as I was ready straight away, that is if I didn't want to continue practicing in Australia, all mute at this point, quick thinking you know everything.

Novadude, if you saw the ebay ad you would know that it wasn't a POS, most people even here have made comments from time to time that it was a very nice Chevelle they just simply wanted me to wake up and smell their coffeer and admit that it wasn't a COPO. Novadude I did a great job building that car, it's better than your stupid NOVA and you got some nerve with a name like NOVAdude coming into Chevelle land talking about my Chevelle let alone any Chevelle as a POS. Geze Nova's in general aren't much better than Vegas, or Pinto's thats a better analogy. So go away Pinto boy I am fine for the hobby if I choose to stay in it. graemlins/beers.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
Geze Nova's in general aren't much better than Vegas, or Pinto's thats a better analogy.:rolleyes:

I'm sure a Yenko or COPO Nova owner or anyone with a nice Nova would beg to differ.

it's better than your stupid NOVA and you got some nerve with a name like NOVAdude coming into Chevelle land talking about my Chevelle let alone any Chevelle as a POS. Geze Nova's in general aren't much better than Vegas, or Pinto's thats a better analogy. So go away Pinto boy I am fine for the hobby if I choose to stay in it. :D

Yeah, you did do a nice job on the car, and POS was a bit harsh. Say what you will about my Nova... I do not represent the car as something it is not! graemlins/beers.gif

Personally, I feel this hobby should be about enjoying the cars, not trying to get rich by selling cars of questionable history.

Bain: quick thinking you know everything Pot calling the kettle black?

This post should be called "Bain and his "COPO" are out of control"
:D

This languishing thread is full of contradictions, the least of which are those unearthed by Djd that clearly show intent to create and sell a car that is "questionable".

If you didnt want to be a lawyer, why apply to go to law school? If you didnt want to become what you hated, why take the time to consider it to begin with? Actually, maybe you should have gone to law school. If you sold that car to someone as a COPO, and it is found out NOT to be a COPO, the buyer can sue you for the difference in value between the REAL COPO and the actual worth of a '69 V8 Chevelle. If the buyer sees this post, and the posts that Djd ferreted out, I would say that there is reason to suspect the car is a fake, and consequently, legal action is not frivolous in this case by any means. A case like this happened in Colorado many years back with a GTO and Lemans. That was in the Mid 1990's and the guy wound up with a judgment against him for 20K plus. Im not saying that your car is a fake, but you certainly havent proven to anyone that it is not. If you post as having a COPO and selling it on Ebay as COPO, why would one NOT think, if they post on an automotive enthusiast site, that it WOULDNT be questioned? Seems ridiculous to me ???

A REAL (documented)1969 COPO 427 Nova is worth at three times as much as your Chevelle- $300,000. A BEAUTIFUL and verified COPO Chevelle at BarJ last year didnt crack $80,000. Your ad is wrong, you are wrong in that respect, do your homework next time.

Im really surprised this thread is still breathing! Ive seen less controversial threads shut down in 1 or 2 pages! :eek:

I think this thread has been left in place to insure that as many people as possible in the Chevelle world get the message that these posts convey, because the more people who know it's less likely that someone will get hosed.


Rocky

True..But after the first 2 pages, its beating a dead horse, IMHO. The point has been proven, kill it and make it a locked sticky thread. Just IMHO.

Dear Nova Dude, I apologize I am oversensative about the repeated attacks, and you are correct it is about enjoying the car, Nova's are Ok, Pintos do suck though.

Mr. 4sp yes ok your right to Copo yenko Novas are something, but what about Yenko Vegas do they count??

Rocky have you read the posts it's sold dude, gone, and no one got hosed ok so thats it

does anybody know what the record is for the most replies to a topic on the TC site?

Dear Buzzbomnb, I did here that about the Nova deal, it was one of just a few though right.

And yea 80,000 was the most that COPO hit.

Here's the deal though if we are right this isn't just any COPO Chevelle, it might actually have been delivered to Yenko Chevelle in December as the dealers demo car, thats where our research is taking us. This car was delivered prior to any other yenko ordered COPO Chevelle, and was most likely a Factory prototpye that made it to a dealer for demo purposes. I can't imagine a better place to demo one than Yenko Chevrolet, so we are researching that right now. THat would make it a bit more expensive I think, what do you think.

Ok so I think thats it ok anybody else, we can shut this down now right right graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/boring.gif

Oh for crying out loud, now he has the delusion (insinuated in that post) that it was sent to the Yenko dealership and it may be a Yenko now graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif

Originally posted by Roxxy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TripleWhiteSS454:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roxxy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TripleWhiteSS454:
you do know God drives a Chevelle, don't you? That would put this as an act of blasphemy. I always knew God had Good Taste but someone told me he was driving a Ford :eek: </font>[/QUOTE]Only if you're talking about a '69 Mach 1 428 Cobra Jet. And he only drives that on race day. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I Heard he was driving as 67 Mustang Fastback Red cause red is the fastest color </font>[/QUOTE]I think somebody saw His '69 Mach 1 and thought perhaps it was a '67 Shelby? And red is definitely the fastest color -- I guess it goes without saying that my Mach is candyapple red, right?

Originally posted by Bain:
Dear Nova Dude, I apologize I am oversensative about the repeated attacks, and you are correct it is about enjoying the car, Nova's are Ok, Pintos do suck though.

Mr. 4sp yes ok your right to Copo yenko Novas are something, but what about Yenko Vegas do they count??

Rocky have you read the posts it's sold dude, gone, and no one got hosed ok so thats it How dare you insult Cosworth Vegas and my concours-restored Pinto!! Kidding aside, that was a bit harsh about Novas, tho. Novadude has every right to be here and his ride is every bit as nice as a Chevelle. Long live the Nova!!

I have no idea what a cosworth Vega is, and I don't care, I did apologize to Novadude right you saw that.

Rocky you really must go through the threads scope this valuable material in order keep up with possible conclusions. Otherwise your just behind the curve using words like Delusions. Thats a big word for you!

Anyway We're checking it out. It could also just be a very early ordinary COPO barely worth 80,000 dressed as a trailer queen.

Anyway it doesn't matter, it's sold bye Rocky

I have no idea what a cosworth Vega is, and I don't care, I did apologize to Novadude right you saw that.

Rocky you really must go through the threads scope this valuable material in order keep up with possible conclusions. Otherwise your just behind the curve using words like Delusions. Thats a big word for you!

Anyway We're checking it out. It could also just be a very early ordinary COPO barely worth 80,000 dressed as a trailer queen.

Anyway it doesn't matter, it's sold bye Rocky

My Mistake Rocky Blue SS454 was the guy using the big hard to understand word like delusional,

BLue come on now stay with us, it's possible, even Don drove himself!!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/waving.gif

What I am saying Blue is this could easily be a car Don Yenko drove all the time prior to selling it, so it would be exciting to find this information out huh!

Originally posted by Bain:

Here's the deal though if we are right this isn't just any COPO Chevelle, it might actually have been delivered to Yenko Chevelle in December as the dealers demo car, thats where our research is taking us. This car was delivered prior to any other yenko ordered COPO Chevelle, and was most likely a Factory prototpye that made it to a dealer for demo purposes. I can't imagine a better place to demo one than Yenko Chevrolet, so we are researching that right now. THat would make it a bit more expensive I think, what do you think.

Ok so I think thats it ok anybody else, we can shut this down now right right graemlins/boring.gif graemlins/boring.gif Alrighty Dective Bain - I am sure if you want to know about your Now Yenko COPO please feel free to visit www.yenko.net (http://www.yenko.net) - they have all the vins listed there.
OMG guy how freaken stupid do you think we all are - asking about cloning a car, then saying you found a person that could verify your car but you were not willing to spend the money for the docs cause then you would have to restore the car to the specs on the docs (BS btw cause the next purchaser would love a resto project and the docs to assit and the docs without the car restored to spec would still increase the value of the car - and we all know your in it for the money) Then you come on here saying you sold the car to Ed C which we all know is a load of BS. And the finally straw is now it may have been the proto type Yenko for '69. You know what I am laughing so hard I think i am going to Pee in my clothes.

Bain, with all due respect you have previously posted your VIN on this site anyone with any common sence would run your VIN past Yenko.net, the DMV, and an orginization such as CARFAX for its full background history. Yenkos are one of the most well documented cars therefore there is no way you can fake one. Every VIN is known all the cars may not be accounted for but every VIN is documented. Furthermore every car sold at yenko would still be in their archives weather it be a Yenko supercar or not.

PS if you are trying to pass thing off now as a Yenko dont Spray the Logo on the headrest like some guy did in Montreal graemlins/clonk.gif

I just dont understand why you are such a complusive liar. And seriously if you have nothing to hide and you are not strapped for money then hop on a plane and come to Canada and show me this research and proof.

If this was a proto-type how come it is not mentioned in any literature, documents and books from GM.. The guys at COPO connection and Yenko.net must be laughing their asses off.

Your new name is 10 second Al. You come up with a new story every 10 seconds.

Yes, there were 99 Chevelles as opposed to 37 Novas with the L72. Still, thats less than 100 cars for each- most of which are probably gone. I am a Nova AND Chevelle fan (and not just Super Cars), so to me, they are both awesome cars. There was a Yenko Deuce, of which 175 were produced, and it started out as a COPO car, that sold for over $100K on Ebay here a while back. In this sense we ARE comparing apples to apples...

Again, if you make these claims, you just have to expect people to call you out. Im not going to comment in a personal and negative way against someone I dont even know. TRUE- if your car is NOT what it says it is, well, it adds to the black mark clones and all that stuff is putting mainly on the CHEVY end of this hobby. On the other hand, if one spends upwards of 20k on a used 36 year old car for a SPECIAL REASON, then that person also needs to be responsible enough to do their research. However, there are laws, believe it or not, against this sort of fraud in this hobby. That Motion Camaro that was in teh car corral at Bar J was being sold for $60,000 or so. It was fully restored and was a NICE CAR. The one thing that it didnt have was teh verification from Joel Rosen. Otherwise, who knows where it could have gone. Everything else was there, including all the badges, air cleaner, valve covers, etc.

If Marlin (Yenko Deuce Registry- he might also take issue with your opinion on Novas) reads this thread, maybe he can comment on the concept of this "demo car" business. A LOT of the people that run Deuces and Camaros, as well as Chevelles, have done EXHAUSTIVE research in actual YENKO paperwork and records, and with YENKO family members, and should be familiar with any such possiblities. Honestly, what is the difference between the first , last, and demo COPO. Its all COPO, and I personally dont think that increases the value enough to get it anywhere over $100K even if its the real deal. Its not like it was the first COPO ever offered PERIOD. Thats Just my opinion... Its not like its some unknown ZL1 Camaro prototype (discussed elsewhere), or that million dollar Camaro owned by GM executive Estes(?).

If you can prove your car is the real McCoy, good for you! I think the moral of this thread was proven in the first two pages and that moral is CAVEAT EMPTOR. Not just for your car, but any car. Afterall, we all know the adages about Used Car Salesman, and these are Used Cars.

If there is one guy that can validate what your trying to say, I like to see you run it past this collector :

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/97138/

These are the real thing. Not Cloned.

Wow, that's a lot of reading... I found it fascinating. But, man this guy's "law" and "business owner" background sure shows through. He has basically said this whole time, that we can not prove, without a doubt, that that car is not a COPO; just as he can not prove without a doubt that it IS a COPO. Using those techniques and facts, he was able to distort any kind of believe he feels benefits him. A savvy business man will push the limits of the truth to close a deal, and if no one can convict him for it, he will go for the money. That is what I see loud and clear. Just like a lawyer, he discredited every reply that tried to prove him incorrect. In the same breath, told us his "facts" that no one can absolutely prove false. Therefore, he is selling questionable product, making big money, and golfing his days away. And no one has caught him yet. The more talk about this car, the more this thing seems credible. So, either someone who is uneducated on COPOs bought this car and got hosed, or some other shady "business man" is looking to make a buck on this car. The other option is that the car is not sold, and this is another controversial chapter in making everyone believe his story. Arrogance and persistance is what brainwashes people.

Sure it's gone!!!

My psychology professor taught me all about people like you with psychasthenia. And after a few more COPO sales, you should be able to afford the medication for your psychosis!

Good luck with your condition.


Rocky

yenko putter lol...

Geze this thing just keeps getting unnier and funnier, I am peeing my pants to roxy. Hey don't send me to dinasours looking for answers to a question I already have an answer to "It's a COPO", and the first delership it visited was Mr. Yenko's, and I love Orieo's. Ok look I am out of stories guys I can't take this any further, oh yea I could but I think it's over for now, it's a COPO you'll see, I will send the goods when I have them and you will all be eating crow yep and a few other ugly birds for sure, I am right it's a COPO, and like the man said none of you can prove otherwise, and I heard DJD made a good case, for what??? I am still trying to figure out his point was, coz it sure doesn't mean fraud, or crook, and I don't owe anyone an explaination.

Rock believe what you want pal!

Good Night PLease don't feed the Tiger anymore he will go away.

Sincerely,

Square Deal Al
COPO Sales Authority graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I bet it's not sold, watch E-Bay, it will be back.
Ron

Is there a reason why you keep whacking the kids? Is it just entertainment? I'm the old fart around here. Take your car and sell it if you can. Having bought several items through my life, your car would not be one of them. Nor am I interested in any garage queens.
Actually I think you scammed up your last Ebay sale. You did it for the laughs and entertainment. I like that. Shows a little class. Life is too short without a little giggle now and then. Enjoyed the laughs but isn't it time to quit?

Finally a man who understands me Muha

Sorry Roxy I m taken

hahahah

Originally posted by Bain:
it's a COPO you'll see, I will send the goods when I have them .

Square Deal Al
COPO Sales Authority graemlins/thumbsup.gif COPO Sales Athority - someone tell me WTF that is. Secondly Mr Pain (in the ass) please tell me why you are bothering to continue with your research when you have sold your car?!?! I mean should you not be spending time golfing ?!?!

And finally I have tried to Accept the fact that you can not type but please take the time to spell my name right "ROXXY" 2X's would be great graemlins/thumbsup.gif

And BTW anyone else wondering if this is a bad nightmare and we are all going to wake up soon ??

John,
Being an old fart myself (49) I don't know why you would want this to stop. How often do you get to play Spin Up The Psychotic? These uninitiated ramblings have kept me riveted for days!


Rocky

A couple of people emailed me and ask that I reply to this thread. I have no association with Bain or Durability Plus. I did not buy or certify Bain's car. I have never obtained any paperwork from Durability Plus. Ed C.

Thank you for verifying that, Ed. Your knowledge and participation is always welcome on here graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Yea I know you haven't obtained paper from DPE, but you have done business with him before.

Roxy thats how I get to be a pain in the ass by spelling your name wrong and stuff like that, anywho I am actaully quite interested in the history of the car even if it doesn't matter, and I still have stuff to sell out of the garage, you know like the Yenko Putter that up to 600 dollars, and my COPO heads that are moving right along.

I have a COPO 4346 Carb dated 3rd week September 1968 if anyone's interested.

Yea so I told you Ed would deny it, wanna know why.

Ah it doesn't matter, as JOhn Muha said do you think it's time to stop whacking the children, and it is, I do have a tee time today. See Ya

Square Deal Als
COPO Sales Authority graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I smell a troll.

Are you for real ?

This act is just about ready for Vegas graemlins/hurray.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
Roxy thats how I get to be a pain in the ass by spelling your name wrong and stuff like that, anywho I am actaully quite interested in the history of the car even if it doesn't matter, and I still have stuff to sell out of the garage, you know like the Yenko Putter that up to 600 dollars, and my COPO heads that are moving right along.

I have a COPO 4346 Carb dated 3rd week September 1968 if anyone's interested.

Yea so I told you Ed would deny it, wanna know why.

Ah it doesn't matter, as JOhn Muha said do you think it's time to stop whacking the children, and it is, I do have a tee time today. See Ya

Square Deal Als
COPO Sales Authority graemlins/thumbsup.gif You wanted to get rid of the car so that you would not waste your time researching and stuff so that you could concentrate on golf. Now you are still researching - you know what you are soo full of S*&^ your eyes are brown

Yes Bill OLd EdC's participation is always welcome and seemingly mine is too but for different reasons, call me a fool if you want, but I actually got EdC on the line here, and I didn't lift a finger. Did anybody really believe that EdC bought my car???? graemlins/sad.gif apparently some did or just couldn't resist. UNfortunetly as usual it's hard to find good help and the wrong questions were asked. Now that EdC is here lets ask him the right questions:

Ed Thanks for being here and bringing your vast knowledge of this subject to this forum, I think at this point in time we can now address what what this particular thread is about and get to the heart of the matter.

Ed what happens when you find a real COPO by VIN based on existing records that is completely junked, raced out and left for dead, surely there have been many cases of this happening. No build sheet, trim tag damaged or missing ect..

What do you do display it as a wreck in original condition and say it's worth 80,000.00 NO you rebuild it with date coded parts, God forbid sometimes you generate paper based on authentic records, maybe even a repro of the original trim tag. Can we agree that this happens to AUTHENTIC Cars?

Isn't true that Yenk.net, and Copo.com, as well as you do not have all the records?

Vince Piggins, he had records, you knew him right, and do you know where those records went? Is it inconceievable that Greg Long as D.P.E. has access to those records in conjunction with the custodians or owners of these records?

These are the real questions that the people here need to have answered, and not some generic three line answer, your an expert capable of ellaborating on this subject with facts and experience, so lets hear it, what do have to say about these questions?

Square Deal graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Roxy it's time for you to shush and quit fussin you did your job I sent ot you to get EdC so lets see what he has to say about the key issues that this forum really represents.

Originally posted by Bain:
Roxy it's time for you to shush and quit fussin you did your job I sent ot you to get EdC so lets see what he has to say about the key issues that this forum really represents. Bain dont talk down to me like i am a lowly female - I could probably dance circles around you when it comes to car - and not just chevelles. I have been involved with cars since i was 14 years old and rebuilt my first engine - just cause I am a female does not give you the right to treat me like a lower being - YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A SUBHUMAN - you are a crook and a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless you have something decent to say dont say anything to me at all and please learn to type my name correctly it is ROXXY

Originally posted by Roxxy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bain:
Roxy it's time for you to shush and quit fussin you did your job I sent ot you to get EdC so lets see what he has to say about the key issues that this forum really represents. Bain dont talk down to me like i am a lowly female - I could probably dance circles around you when it comes to car - and not just chevelles. I have been involved with cars since i was 14 years old and rebuilt my first engine - just cause I am a female does not give you the right to treat me like a lower being - YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A SUBHUMAN - you are a crook and a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless you have something decent to say dont say anything to me at all and please learn to type my name correctly it is ROXXY </font>[/QUOTE]And I have to look forward to this when I get home to the angry wife.
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Honestly its not even worth talking about anymore, its time to move on.. as no matter what is said, the facts are ingored, only what he chooses to answer get asnwered in a twisted manner avoiding the core question, its just a matter of time before a moderator closes this thread IMO. There is nothing of relavance anymore, and I suspect that Bain is nothing more than a troll account. This post is turning into a joke rather than something serious - but if that is what it takes to show the world that this guy is a crook, so be it - I just hope in the long run, there aren't any more "Bain"'s out there which will make the best Chevelle site on the internet loose its credability. graemlins/sad.gif The more we post on this topic, the more it encourages this troll to write stuff. Time to put it to rest.

Ed already said his peace and I seriously doubt he will waste any more of his valuable time with an a$$hole like you.

Like I said in my last post, you can't prove he is not full of crap so he must be correct in his mind! graemlins/angry.gif graemlins/clonk.gif It's amazing that everyone in this hobby is wrong, we are all cry babies, and have no knowledge. Well, except for the esteemed colligues of "Square deal Al". You have discredited the offense Al. The jury rules that you are the COPO master. Now go play golf and quit trying to outwit everyone and pretend you are smarter than the rest of the world.

BlueeSS 454 those are sincere to the point questions that go to the heart of this post, he sure could teach us a lot about something that we have argued about so fiecrely

How'd you shoot Bain?

Three different sites, three different groups of non believers. Did you post on Chevytalk too? A lot of people here post and lurk elsewhere and vice versa. I havent been to the site below lately, but ran across these posts today:

http://www.rabbitstoys.com/yabbse/index.php?board=30;action=display;threadid=744;sta rt=0

http://www.rabbitstoys.com/yabbse/index.php?board=37;action=display;threadid=723

http://www.rabbitstoys.com/yabbse/index.php?board=37;action=display;threadid=726

The car goes from 396 to 454 then 427 the rear end goes from one to the other, and everything in between is changed. I would guess that Ed C. doesnt want to answer your questions because those questions are the same questions that have been beat to death numerous times elsewhere. IMHO, your "questions" to Ed look more like additional rationalizing meant to somehow justify claims that your car is a COPO. Unlike a court of law, it is up to YOU to prove without a doubt that YOUR car is what YOU say it is. No one here or elsewhere has to do otherwise, and thats the assumption for ALL of these cars in teh beginning- that they are FAKES and FRAUDS. When proven otherwise, theyre golden. However, you cant have your cake and eat it too.

If you do a search, Tim Lopata Forge Show on Rabbits site has inventory sheets for Yenko. Why not post your vin? Surely a Demo car or early car is on there. It had to be accounted for somewhere. If your car is on there, maybe you are on to something. If not, why continue this charade?

Well I have an idea. Bring this car to Chevellabration 2005 and it can be decided there. For once I actually agree with you that Ed can teach everyone some points about the COPO cars, however, the facts presented along with all the double talk you have presented including past posts on this forum and other ones I might add, point to the fact that this car IS NOT A REAL COPO. The original components are not there, making it worth minimal money as a clone. You keep making it out to be the real deal yet you say you don't have the docs because it is expensive and from a guy that FAKES them. If it were real, you would have spent the money to have them in hand, but you can't because they DO NOT EXIST. Would you put it in writing and have it notorized that it is real so it is a legal obligation and therefore you can be sued if it is not, I highly doubt it, but then again why would you have any worries about it since you are so sure??????

..I think "Bain" means "spinster" in some eastern European dialect :D

BUSTED!

Quote from Cranes Corvettes :
http://www.cranescorvette.com/new_page_12.htm

#512 DATED ---was .030 now fresh .060" K-26-8 Nov. 26, 1968 4-bolt $2,900 (includes the $200 decking and graining cost). stamping not included. Rack= bldg A sold to Al Bain -Texas/australia- who never sent a check to pay for shipping/and never fulfilled "his" written contract -- a little crooked guy from texas/australia - watch him

Quote from Rabbit's Toys:
http://www.rabbitstoys.com/yabbse/index.php?board=37;action=display;threadid=723

The engine is a 512 4 bolt main and I found it in this wreck of a car I restored, Casting date K 28 8, it's a January car, it's now .060 over

Number on Pad T1218 MP 9B326463 this is from memory I am over seas right now, but it definietly matching the VIN on the dash

I have 291 Heads on it dated K 26 8 they say that they either didn't make 291's that early which I don't belive or it a 1978 head, which probably isn't true either becaseu it doesn't have the peanut spark plug hole. Used these instead of the heads that came with the engine becasue of the 1.88" exhauste valve. Nice to have a head that was meant for the 512 block but actually designed for the bigger exhauste valve. The 840 heads are J29/30 8, and the intake is the winter stamp 163 catsing code with date code 12 16 68, and the carb I have is a 4346 holley 3rd week september carb. However I didn't use this equipment, thats stuff is on the shelf and stays with the car incase it's ever sold. I used the Weind Excellerator single [plane and the 850 BG annular DP mechanical secondaries carb, this L 72 motor has power. and idles well too.

The nrear end is KQ 1204 B made in eaton. I have the series 4 carrier and 4;10 gear, but right now it has the HEAVY DUTY Eaton 3.42 with really beefy Clutch and sprinvgs. The original equi also stays with the car if ever sold.

MY delima is it has no build sheet, and only the Yenkos have been documednted at this poitn to my knowledge anyway.

Al


Seems to me you bought or "stole" an engine from Cranes Corvettes, and dropped it into your car to make it numbers matching. You clearly stated this engine came with your car in the above post. Your caught in your own lie.

How does that song go...

wa wa wa waaaaaaa....

Simply put - your a crook, not only by putting this engine in the car and trying to pass it off as a COPO, but you basically stiffed the guy that helped you. There is NO DENYING THE ABOVE FACTS.

Do you beleive in Karma, you'll be re-incarnated as a Ford Focus.

If you guys had the story right I would admit it, and Roxy that thread about Dave Crane was already posted and responded to, and again there is an explaination that I don't owe you.

The putting it in writing ideas and notorizing the doc sounds interesting I might just do that if it would shut you up.

Give it up guys you haven't got the story right quit trying to guess the right story and putting crook beside your very inadequate explainations.

Give it up, I don't have to tell you the story, it's that simple.

SQA

OH I guess EdC is NOT going to answer the important questions I posted, you know the ones that count, too tough I guess to sum up a few words. Come on EdC do you have answer to the questiosn I posted, coz those are the ones that matter

The story is this:
You have a 512 block that was restamped with the VIN of the car,and block is dated close enough to the build date of the car.The rest is all speculation.Joe Mannix has left the room smile.gif graemlins/waving.gif

Just another point on your ebay article:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2486014514&category=6164
You said:

IF THE WINNING BIDDER IS UNSATISFIED IN ANYWAY JUST SAY SO AND I WILL NOT HOLD YOU LIABLE FOR THE FINAL BID PRICE OR LISTING FEES, WHEN YOUR SATISFIED WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOCUMENTATION THEN YOU PAY, AND IT MAY A TAKE A WHILE AFTER THE BID TO GET THIS LEVEL OF SATISFACTION COMPLETED, I WILL WAIT FOR YOU TO BE SATISFIED, AND YOUR WINNING BID TAKES PRECEDENCE, I AM NOT A HARD CASE OR HARD UP FOR MONEY SO I CAN WAIT FOR YOU AND GREG AT D.P.E.

But then in the same listing you said this:
So it doesn't mean you don't pay until the build sheet shows up, that wouldn't be fair to me. However again if I walk becasue it's too hard to make you happy about the situation my guarantee that I will not offer negative feed back or hold you responsible for the listing costs stands. My time frame for your due dilligence is within 7 days from the end of the bid. At that time I reserve the right to relist.

Seems like "small print" to me, a legal scape-goat to "f*ck" someone over. You clearly said it would take a long time, yet you give 7 days. GM Vintage services in Canada takes 2-6 weeks.

Im still doing some reading there may be more...

Roxxy,Bain has speculation for sale-period.