Originally posted by Bain:
If you guys had the story right I would admit it, and Roxy that thread about Dave Crane was already posted and responded to, and again there is an explaination that I don't owe you.

The putting it in writing ideas and notorizing the doc sounds interesting I might just do that if it would shut you up.

Give it up guys you haven't got the story right quit trying to guess the right story and putting crook beside your very inadequate explainations.

Give it up, I don't have to tell you the story, it's that simple.

SQA What is there to Admit, the engine that you screwed him on for Shipping is in your car? You are going to deny that? My 5 year old could figure that out.

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http://www.t.halobrigade.com/pictures/owned!!!111!.jpg

Originally posted by Bain:

The putting it in writing ideas and notorizing the doc sounds interesting I might just do that if it would shut you up.You should, it makes you personally liable for fraud, which is what you are committing.

Originally posted by Bain:
Give it up guys you haven't got the story right quit trying to guess the right story and putting crook beside your very inadequate explainations..NO, we DO have the story straight, you bought an L78 block which anyone can get, decked it and restamped the numbers, wow real hard, I have a stamp set in my toolbox :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bain:
Give it up, I don't have to tell you the story, it's that simple.You're right, you don't have to because we and the rest of the world already know that you are a liar, thief, and a scam artist which you are not very good at by the way.

Originally posted by BlueSS454:
I have a stamp set in my toolbox :rolleyes: Damn and all this time We have been looking for an original block for our car and you have the tools to stamp our not original block graemlins/angry.gif

:D :D
Maybe we should have just asked BAIN!!!!!!!!

NOT - it has to be the real thing or nothing as far as we are concerned. The world might not know it is fake - but we always will.

I finally broke down and read all the "Bain" postings on this site and the associated links. He sure has monopolized a lot of peoples time. After thinking about this, I think that is all he really wanted. He got under your skin. Just like having Poison Ivy. Your mother told you not to scratch it because it will spread. That is exactly what happened here. A few folks really got thier panties in a knot and Bain is loving it. He is probably having a real big laugh at our expense. I think he found that no matter how "juvinile" he chose to respond, there was alway's someone willing to participate in his game.

I would also be willing to bet that he still owns the car. I also bet that he never intended to actually sell the car. He put it on Ebay just to throw gas on the fire. He thinks he is exposing hypocrites (as he percieves it). Not only in our hobby, but in this and a couple of other car related websites. He baited a trap and we fell in. Head first.

I am in no way condoning what "Bain" is appearing to do. I am not taking up for him or anyone else. Nor am I choosing to try and "put him in his place","teach him the errors of his way" or "show him the true path". If he is truly doing what everyone has presumed, shame on him. If he is doing what I think he is doing, shame on us for falling for it.

In a way, I think at least in his mind, he is mocking us. He is sitting back and reading a few posts and then every once in a while he only has to throw a little gas on the fire to keep it going. Based on some of the responses I have read, it reminds me that we take ourselves way to serious sometimes. Heck, I bet I draw some fire just because I'm not choosing a side.

Everyone should step back, take a deeeep breath and let the blood pressure drop a few points.

And remember..........Don't scratch it!


Billy ;)

i have also read the posts , on all three forums , and i agree with billy, but it does cost money to list on ebay. not defending him either, cause i have come to the same conclusion as everyone also, but during all this i figure he does know about cars, i don't think he's some no knowing person JUST trying to flame everyone up, he's been around this hobby and appears to know the "lingo" ie stamping, decking , etc. etc. so if he's like most he probably goes to shows, races, etc. if i was him i would now have eyes in the back of my head.

Bluess454~ You have stamp tools in your toolbox YIKES that makes you a hypocrite doesn't it?, COz I don't have a stamp set in my garage let alone in my tool box.

Roxxy give it up, I already about Dave Crane I bought and sold three engine last year from the COPO era. Dave is a spoiled sport who can't read contracts. He was paid and up front. I might have to have a wrod with this little scammer. You know why he put 2900.00 dollars down don't you for the block, I paid 2200.00 for decking broaching and shipping, which is a fair deal, he want everyone to this his old junky parts are worth more than they are. Thats his little way of telling everyone that the going price and I got screwed too out of shipping.

Billy Mark I admit this a bit of fun in my humdrum days over the next three wekks, so yea just don't respond and it will die for sure.

AS far as "growing eyes in the back of my head". Huh, wow, I have screwed no one and mearly contested people who throw words around like crook and scam artist like their tissue papers, maybe they should have eyes in the back of their heads, I have hurt no one and have endured these self rightous people casting stones at me coz they think they know something, I have done nothing wrong except maybe get a little psssed off at a few ******** on this forum and thats it, and I should have to whatch my back???

Man that doesn't too many good things about the people on this forumn is that the message your conveying MarkV?

Well I git a busy day, Rox please don't spew your crap here anymore you have really disappointed me.

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Originally posted by Bain:
Dave is a spoiled sport who can't read contracts. He was paid and up front. I might have to have a wrod with this little scammer. You know why he put 2900.00 dollars down don't you for the block, I paid 2200.00 for decking broaching and shipping, which is a fair deal, he want everyone to this his old junky parts are worth more than they are. Thats his little way of telling everyone that the going price and I got screwed too out of shipping.
Uh oh..Sounds like vendor bashing to me. Good excuse as any to shut 'er down.
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Originally posted by Bain:
Bluess454~ You have stamp tools in your toolbox YIKES that makes you a hypocrite doesn't it?, COz I don't have a stamp set in my garage let alone in my tool box.

That's because you don't work on engines you stupid F*ck. I can safely say that you have never rebuilt an engine have you????? Stamps are needed to keep rods and their caps together along with the mains in sequencial order. The ones I have are not even close to what is used on a FACTORY ENGINE STAMP.

Originally posted by Bain:
, Rox please don't spew your crap here anymore you have really disappointed me.

graemlins/sad.gif Please dont tell me not to spew crap - cause that is like the pot calling the kettle black - I am just posting what you have said in the past and using the internet to prove you are a liar - you are the one spewing crap

As much fun as this has been :rolleyes: , I'd like to see this farse go away. Could we get a moderator to shoot this horse and put it out of it's misery??? graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif

Originally posted by Supergas990:
As much fun as this has been :rolleyes: , I'd like to see this farse go away. Could we get a moderator to shoot this horse and put it out of it's misery??? graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif graemlins/waving.gif It was going away until you just brought it back to the top again smile.gif

who cares about this anyways he was proven to a long time ago that it was not real!!!! a spade is spade and a crook is a crook!!!! lets move on

and a cube is really just a cool name for a square, Vince Piggins, do your homework before you use the word crook, and Mr. Moderator you can shoot this post anytime man :confused:

Bane
I can see you sitting in front of your computer , pleasuring yourself as you play this mental intercourse with everybody. It is entertaining. You want to impress us, why dont you try using your energy to figure out how to buy a real car without all the drama. JMHO

Bain, cube is not the real name it is sean but cube stand for the office furniture and that is what I am the cube man lets see if can stack up to my collection


70 LS6 4 speed
69 copo 4 speed monoco orange (it really is)
69 yenko 427 automatic (it really is)
68 SS 396 375 hp 4 speed
67 ss 396 350 hp 4 speed
67 427/435 hp vette
69 yenko camaro 427 4 speed graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/beers.gif

Hey Sean, I see you are in Houston also---maybe you could run over to Bain's and whip his arse. graemlins/clonk.gif

a good texas a**whippin never hurt nobody I we we should take a poll? graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/beers.gif what do you think?

Originally posted by cube:
a good texas a**whippin never hurt nobody I we we should take a poll? graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/beers.gif what do you think? Heck, I'd even give you $10 for gas. But would you have time to stop by my old stompin' ground in Arkansas and pick up an Arkansas Toothpick (http://www.arkansashistory.com/collections/default.asp?cat=Knives) before you go?

OK Mr. CUBE I see your collection looks nice.

Me 1970 Chevelle SS 396 real one
1969 Chevelle COPO 427 Real
1967 Cougar RX7 390
1973 HQ Monaro 454 GTS
1972 Chevy El Camino
1957 Ford 1/2 Ton Pick Up
1/100 Scottman Putter

I don't know does the putter count, some of you out there think I deserve an ass wipping for soemthing you can't even prove is true. I rest my case.

even if it is true, you still deserve to have your butt kicked

Bain, It has come to light and I am just giving you a hard time just trying to make this deal lighten up a bit so everyone can chill out a little!!!!!! graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/beers.gif

Thought he sold the car,says its still in his collection?

You know, this had been sleeping quietly up until a couple of days ago.

Are a few of you bored graemlins/boring.gif ???

Gaz

Yea ok go to walmart their having a sale on Torches, pitchforks, and Ropes for all you with the angry Mob rule syndrome chevelle types :cool: , you whitch burners

Oh yea all the cars have been sold, so my collection is no more, I was scraping to try to compete with Cubes collection is that for real?

Yea ok well even my forsd were COPOs so there graemlins/hurray.gif

"and a cube is really just a cool name for a square"

Ahem .... If I may interject .... a CUBE is a 3-dimensional shape (has depth, height, width, surface area & volume). A SQUARE is a 2-dimensional shape with only height, width & area). The only similarity they have to each other is all the "sides" measure the same length.

(This is the only comment I care to make on this thread)

Let me guess... your '70 SS396 was originally sold to Zora Duntov as a demo, and he sold the car to Elvis, who introduced you to your wife, Morgan Fairchild... yeah... that's the ticket.

All in good fun! graemlins/beers.gif

Bain, you gotta admit that you'd be skeptical of this "COPO" if you were in the buyers seat. Maybe it is real, but I suspect it isn't. What's more, I do not even care. I just like checking in here to see people on both sides getting all fired up over this car. Besides... had to get another jab in, after your despicable Pinto comment. :D

Originally posted by novadude:
Besides... had to get another jab in, after your despicable Pinto comment. :D Why worry about it? Do a Google seach for a 1973 Monaro- the Australian answer to a 1980's Jag in regards to dubious build quality and awful reliability. Get a really good look at it, and then get a really great laugh! I know I did graemlins/thumbsup.gif !! ROFLMAO!! :D

Is that a full frame car, BTW? Or is it a subframe car? Just Curious. Thank God the new Monaro (GTO) isnt such an "Aussie" design. Otherwise, they wouldnt be able to give the New GTO away with a Mickey D's Happy Meal. They'd pack those suckers back on the freighters and send them back down under where the toilet supposedly flushes in the opposite direction.

I thought this thread was dead, but I think its working on a record now. I think the Jessica Lynch fracus was 21 pages or something, but maybe I am mistaken. The funny thing to me is he "sold" the car, yet no one posting here was the one who bought it. Yet people were getting so torked off with it...It IS a great example of CAVEAT EMPTOR, and also a good example of the possible bad examples that particularly plague the Chevy end of this hobby.

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Dear Mr. Buzzbomb,

I love it when people spout off at the mouth when they haven't got a clue.

THe Monaro made by " Holden General Motors Corporation" Yes the car was practically a chevy, and was very reliable. UNfortunetly the Australian Government control freeks that they are didn't allow Big Blocks, so as an American charged with the duty of teaching the Australians the American Way I hired Queensland's best Mechanic/Engineer (the guy who can do anything with nothing the guy who taught me how to restore cars) to outfit this nice looking vehicle with Chevy's best BB equipment and it was a great car.

It never let me down and had **** loads of power, 12.0 down the 1/4 was easily accompolished and it idled and was a nice city driver as well as a highway car too. Loved it and it was mostly chevy and GM parts anyway.

The MOnaro lives again in a remake for the past few years in Australia and it was SO Popular and such an inmpressive car, designed by Australians that GM solicted Holden Motors to bring it to America, and of course they decided to market it as the new GTO, so it has a lot to do with the Australians although most don't like to admit it.

By the way for those who were planning a Ass whipping I have bought the Mob Justice outfits and they go on sale for 44.99, they include a robe that states I am from Chevelle Tech and we are omnipitent and we know a crook when we hear about one. Comes with a hood too (don't want to be identified) A pitchfork, An old style Torch
(kerosine not included) and some rope in case you want to do a lynching after the whipping. I take Visa Paypal, 4 - 6 weeks for delivery.

Any other brilliant comments Buzzbomb

Originally posted by Bain:
Dear Mr. Buzzbomb,

I love it when people spout off at the mouth when they haven't got a clue.
You mean like yourself when it comes to American SuperCars? Like I said, do your homework next time. You flat out lied in your auction about the value of COPO Chevelles.


Originally posted by Bain:
THe Monaro made by " Holden General Motors Corporation" Yes the car was practically a chevy, and was very reliable.Yea, So? Like the other Aussie cars from back then, its build quality was second only to Britains Cortina from what I've heard. And Im not talking GOOD build quality either. Unless it was made by GM in the United States or Canada, its not a Chevy. That would mean that a '32 Ford with all Chevy guts is a Chevy.. Nope,Sorry; next, try again. Putting all Chevy parts in an Aussie Edsel doesnt make it a Chevy.

Originally posted by Bain:
UNfortunetly the Australian Government control freeks that they are didn't allow Big Blocks, so as an American charged with the duty of teaching the Australians the American Way I hired Queensland's best Mechanic/Engineer (the guy who can do anything with nothing the guy who taught me how to restore cars) to outfit this nice looking vehicle with Chevy's best BB equipment and it was a great car.
And this has what to do with HOLDEN'S build quality? I can rebuild a Challenger from the ground up and it STILL doesnt change the fact that MOPAR back in the day had, for the most part, dubious build quality for an American car. GM and FOrd divisions in Britain and Austrailia were tops in lowest build quality back then.

As for you hiring the best Aussie mechanic to put a BBC in that Austrailian Edsel and calling it a great car, drop the Edsel wannabe, in place add a cool looking '69 Chevelle (its a nice car), some clever "ideas" and a manufactured story, and we have....a nice looking '69 Chevelle with a BBC that can run 12's, idle great, and is a good car. However, it more than likely still is not a...awwww, forget it. Anyone ever tell you the moon was made of Cheese? :rolleyes:

A car being popular in Austrailia is one thing, a car being popular in the US is another. The new GTO is not selling well, many people think it looks like a pumped up rice wagon. I actually think its a cool car- at least teh concept, engine and interior. I could take or leave the styling. GM solicited Holden to build it because they are too damn lazy to build it themselves, and they are too busy making plastic trucks. That is IMHO.

Does that Mob Justice outfit come with a DUNCE cap? Seems to me that a mob can't do justice without properly identifying its target.

There ya go. More brilliant comments from yours truly to add to this BOIL on teh a** thread on Chevelles.com. graemlins/hurray.gif

Welcome to Chevelles.com! Now go home.

Originally posted by Bain:
Dear Mr. Buzzbomb,

I love it when people spout off at the mouth when they haven't got a clue.
Speaking of people who spout off at the mouth when they haven't a clue, I saw some guy trying to sell a COPO Chevelle clone the other day on Ebay. *cough*Bain*cough* graemlins/thumbsup.gif

New engine block for your SS Chevelle: $1000
New COPO Chevy intake manifold for your SS Chevelle: $200
New 12-bolt Posi rear-end for your SS Chevelle: $500
Trying to pass off your plain ol' 1969 Chevelle SS as a COPO car to a forum consisting entirely of Chevelle fanatics: PRICELESS

By the way, I love the feedback a previous buyer gave you regarding this same "COPO" Chevelle: "Listed Chevelle as COPO was not a COPO but a SS. I guess thts OK but misleading!" Well, at least you didn't try to stick the guy with the car -- apparently anyway, since you relisted the car a couple weeks later.

And how is it that a self-proclaimed car guy doesn't even know what the heck a Cosworth Vega is? What a dolt.

On the GTO, my co-worker bought one and I, along with about 99% of everyone that works here (the 1% being the guy who bought the car), think it's not worth the money at all. It's a Pontiac Grand Am with a 5.7L at best and several comments were made that it looks too much like a rice burner -- not American muscle. What a waste of a name once reserved for an American icon. Anyone seen how the gas tank takes up about half of what would normally be usable trunk space? Brilliant designing there, Australia. The only car that has come out of Australia (Ford-Australia to be precise) was the Falcon. And that's only because Mad Max Rockatansky drove one ... IMO.

some info came up over at yenko registry about his "copo" chevelle

Originally posted by markV:
some info came up over at yenko registry about his "copo" chevelle Yup here is the juicy info :

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=94250&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post94271

and here:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=68111&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=8

A quote from Steven J: 676767/Al/Bain/Greg, or maybe even "Scott",
Your car was delivered to Baugher Chevrolet in Waynesboro, Virginia on 12-03-68. Hope that helps with your Yenko demo theory."

Hehehe
Its fun to watch people crash and burn.

oops..posted the same info

Originally posted by DV8R:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=94250&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post94271

and here:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=68111&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=8

^

Sounds like a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

Yea these are the same people that said I called EdC a crook, read the thread, clearly someone can't read, and I doubt the validty of this informationThey probably made it up just to see if I would go looking. I can picture it:

" Hey I know lets think of some off the wall Chevy dealer in bum ****ed Egypt and tell him thats where his car came from hehe hehe, yea lets do thatr hahahah!!!"

Hey Buzzy, your wrong about the Holden Manaro, although I didn't say that the GTO was hit here, just said it was basically from Australia, where it was a hit. They actually made a factory prototype with a 454 in it.

you rebuild it with date coded parts, God forbid sometimes you generate paper based on authentic records, maybe even a repro of the original trim tag. Can we agree that this happens to AUTHENTIC Cars?

sounds like it to me

I know it (new GTO) was a hit in Austrailia. Like I said, I think its a pretty cool car for the most part- and yes Ive seen it in person. The styling- ehh. Are you saying they put a 454 in the NEW GTO? I'm actually glad the new GTO is not selling well. That means it will hopefully be cheap here in the next few years on the used car market, and I just might be in the market for one.

Anyway

Why dont you go over to Yenko.net and ask where StevenJ got his information about your car from. He has pegged an exact date and dealer to your car, and if you are disputing it, why not ask who his source was and check it out for yourself? If he is right, then what? I mean we're talking an exact delivery date and Dealer name here- probably off the VIN. Like I said earlier, some of these SuperCar people really have access to the most comprehensive information and records available. IN other words, they do their research. If he is wrong, call him out.

I don't think anybody disputed the fact that your car was a nice car, just the pedigree you claim(ed) for it. If your car IS sold and you dont care one way or another now (why would you if its sold anyway?) if its supposedly a COPO, whats the point anymore, other than sheer entertainment. Thats just IMHO.

So Mark V an authentic copo car that has been trashed and left for dead with missing everything practically is a fake and a scam and crookery is used to restore it using all the right parts and repos. Quite a few cars then that are authentice have been put back together that by your definition make them crooks and frauds.

Repros based on authentic records are fine, as long as you divulge that info, it doesn't make anyone a crook.

I guess Buzzy I will check it out hey are really Dave Crane? if so you should change your warning about me to I sold it for 2200.00 not 2900 at least be real

So Mark V an authentic copo car that has been trashed and left for dead with missing everything practically is a fake and a scam and crookery is used to restore it using all the right parts and repos. Quite a few cars then that are authentice have been put back together that by your definition make them crooks and frauds.

Repros based on authentic records are fine, as long as you divulge that info, it doesn't make anyone a crook. You throw that word around TOO MUch my friend

I guess Buzzy I will check it out hey are you really Dave Crane? if so you should change your warning about me to I sold it for 2200.00 not 2900 at least be real

Originally posted by Bain:
hey are really Dave Crane? if so you should change your warning about me to I sold it for 2200.00 not 2900 at least be real Is this directed towards me? If it is, I have no idea who Dave Crane is, but it sure as heck isnt me. Ive been on Chevelles.com for quite a while and have posted on quite a bit of stuff here- not just these kind of posts.

If Dave Crane is that Corvette something or other site parts guy posted elsewhere in this thread...That site SUCKS. Not the stuff ON the site (like the eye candy tongue.gif ), but the site itself.

"an authentic copo car that has been trashed and left for dead with missing everything practically is a fake and a scam and crookery is used to restore it using all the right parts and repos."

This topic is one of the most beat to death and volatile topics I have ever seen on Musclecar boards. Everybodys definition is totally different. It depends on whats original and what is not. Some people like me believe the original engine is CRITICAL when valuing these cars, others dont think its that big of a deal. Others go as far as saying if the sheetmetal is not numbers matching, then its not what it is claimed to be. Is a pile of rust- literally- with a COPO vin/trim tag laying on top of it still a COPO after swapping 98% of the whole car out?

"Repros based on authentic records are fine, as long as you divulge that info, it doesn't make anyone a crook."

With the glut of clones running around, I suppose this is currently the prevailing rationale. Doesnt make it "right", IMHO.

IMO, a copo that is missing parts is just that. if it doesn't have the original papers or tags etc. I DO NOT agree with replicating these items, it just opens the door for crooks like yourself. i've read many ads, most listing exactly what was original and what was not, and then some ads just sounded misleading like yours. what i say on this forum is my thoughts and opinions, don't act stupid and blame the fine folks on this site for what i say. yes you are a crook why don't you just admit it and rectify this WHOLE situation, i know i would forgive you if could bring yourself to that.

http://balr0g.free.fr/hfr/img/thisthreadishc.jpg

So Mark V an authentic copo car that has been trashed and left for dead with missing everything practically is a fake and a scam and crookery is used to restore it using all the right parts and repos. No, but trying to pass off a non-authenticated car as a COPO is...


I understand thinking no one here (or on those other forums you've been to) would EVER believe you, but it is very ironic that the only person that supposedly has "proof" (Greg at DPE) is KNOWN to fabricate documentation and engine stampings... Known even outside the Chevelle/Yenko/COPO world, and known well before this post was started...

Why on earth would you (Or anyone) believe that guy??? Especially over the countless others that have experience/knowledge with these cars?


I can get the car probably for 10000, the guy is desparte

Bain
Tech Team
posted 01-30-2004 08:56 PM
So you bought the car for ~$10K, and are now trying to make a huge profit off selling it... Most collectors aren't that gullible...

IN an effort to get postings to 300 and possibly set a record I will answer you L78.

So you bought the car for ~$10K, and are now trying to make a huge profit off selling it... Most collectors aren't that gullible...

The biggest problem with this car from the last three owners stand point has been proof, and off course I know a few more things about the car that doesn't make it bad car, but explains a few things. The car when I bought honestly neede serious repair, broken motormount incorrectly rebuilt motor, worng parts ect...

I have put a lot of money into it, without and it's a nice car and even though most seem to have disdain for me those same hae admitted it's a very nice Chevelle and it is. Without proof though it's a date coded clone at the most worth 27,500 most would say less, with proof its at best a 50,000 dollars car becasue of the NON-original state, and this is an opinion that has been formed by all the great input from you Chevelle Guys and Gals, Thank you.

From stand point a COPO is a COPO is a COPO, if it started out as one and was left for dead and you have to use repros and you are honest about it there is nothing wrong with that, I don't think that makes it as valuable as an all original equipped COPO with documented miles, that is clearly also true.

NOw Mark V If I haven't broken the law and I haven't ripped anyone off and the buyer was given full disclosure how can you throw a disturbing word around like crook, it's imflamitory and grossly irresponsible. In 42 year on this planet I have never been called anything close to that my name meant honest info and it stil does your just misguided, sorry but that is the truth.

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This is just Tagically STUPID!

Get a life childeren. It IS NOT real! It IS real! Bain IS a dork! Bain is NOT a Dork! Black is white! White is White! White is Black. Black is black!

Enough is Enough Already!!!!!!!

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Aint even participated but this thread is the most circular and dizzying thread I have ever seen on TC. Interesting, upsetting, disgusting, intriguing....kind of like a bad wreck.

Originally posted by Bain:
Without proof though it's a date coded clone at the most worth 27,500 most would say less, with proof its at best a 50,000 dollars car becasue of the NON-original state.....Sheeesh...

Just think if you said that to begin with
:confused: ; I doubt you would have recieved a whole heck of a lot of arguments- that estimate sounds reasonable to me. It does take a lot work to FIND components that are date coded and BUILD a clone of a Supercar. Stamping/Restamping is another story. Ive seen COPO and Yenko clones- with all correct parts like you said- sell in the low '30s and more (Camaro). If its sold its sold, if not then whatever. Interesting and intriguing discussion, thats for sure.

Let see if this works since nothing else has............ :rolleyes:

Anyone else who responds to this ongoing rediculous thread is just as nuts as many are accusing Bain of being. Lets see if we can all keep it from making 300!!!

300

Dammit Rocky I was gonna do that :(

OK everyone it's obvious that this show must go on the road, so I am starting a new post.

graemlins/hurray.gif The Square Deal Al Show graemlins/hurray.gif

My first guest will be Rocky he the one who made sure the old thread hit 300, I am sure everyone wants to talk about his piece to this success story! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

SQDA

Do you cheat at golf like you lie about this car ? Somehow I get the feeling you don't have the work ethic to make it as a Pro Golfer.

I haven't lied about this car and I don't cheat at golf, but the work ethic thing you may be right about, honestly If I worked as hard as I should I would probably be there already, we'll see thanks for your input, hey don't forget to Visit Square Deal Als COPO Authority show graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I've only come back here to present an award to Bain -

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/2453/Assclown.jpg

Please keep your acceptance speech short. We have after parties to get to.

Well I can't really accept the award, I know that probably upsets everyone, I am overwhelmed, but the reason why I can't accept it is because it really belongs to everyone who made this post possible, and I really believe in sharing credit where credit is due. Congradulations we're all winners today or ASSclowns whatever

they gave you an answer at the supercar forum when you asked how they knew your car came from baugher chevy in virginia, just to let you know.

so if your sharing the award they need to present it to al,bain,greg and scott, we give them all the credit for keeping this thread alive. congrats. for being the bozo you are.

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lol, damn I have fun with these.

Mark V Yes I know I saw that hmmm, ok so if the info is true it's not a yenko Chevelle damn, I was so hoping to know that each time I sat in that car that it was like knowing a legend sat in it to, oh well just have to settle for factory installed 427

Originally posted by Bain:
oh well just have to settle for factory installed 427 Give them some time over there at the Yenko board. They'll discredit that too, Im sure. All it takes is time, just like with the car being a Yenko demo car. That wouldnt have added $1 of value to it even if it was.

Too bad your car wasnt Canadian built. That would have a put the final nail in this thread's coffin LONG ago.

Originally posted by Buzzbomb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bain:
oh well just have to settle for factory installed 427 Give them some time over there at the Yenko board. They'll discredit that too, Im sure. All it takes is time, just like with the car being a Yenko demo car. That wouldnt have added $1 of value to it even if it was.

Too bad your car wasnt Canadian built. That would have a put the final nail in this thread's coffin LONG ago. </font>[/QUOTE]Thank God For GM CANADA - our car is not questionable like Bains is graemlins/hurray.gif graemlins/hurray.gif

Well we've made progress, firstly it was NO it isn't a COPO, now it's questionable hmm,

Repeeeat aafffterrr meeee

IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427


OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH~

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Bane
Isnt your hand getting tired or calised yet?

Well I banged out about 400 golf balls today so there a little tired I suppose

Bain, Why don't you tell everyone what PROOF you have that this is a COPO. Not the same old info you have been spouting. We don't want to hear all the HE SAID, SHE SAID stuff. We don't want to hear what paperwork Greg at DPE says he has. We want to see concrete proof.
James

Bane
You were banging on some balls all right.

Repeeeat aafffterrr meeee

IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427


OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH~

Bain:
"I could probably have GOD hmself hand you official devine buildsheets and that wouldn't be good enough for you either."


I highly doubt you could have God 'hand (us) official divine buildsheets' that confirm your car as a COPO.
More; if you were to ask Him, He would probably say what He has already said:

""These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren."

That's what I thought. THERE IS NO PROOF.
James

ya see jfk, he is playing greg, and several others, he's created several log in names over at the yenko registry, he is also now "67rsss396" they have locked the thread over there probably because they ran the ip address on all these fakes he's made up and found it was from him. all he has is here say evidence he has no paperwork, now he's resorted to posting the way he has the last several times because he's been nailed and knows it. we haven't fallen into any kind of trap by responding to him everytime, its just entertainment to us now, just like it is to him. the moderators of this site know this, thats why they have not closed the thread i'm sure, its not really hurting anyone to stay open, it'll all go away in due time, its just made his name mudd to some very "big names" in the hobby that has had their reputations ridiculed by his nonsense, which i'm sure those guys could care less. so in saying that, goodnight, bain, take that trash out tonight so mommy will let you come out and play.

Hey Lou, does that mean we are all brother here??

Gee man I am sorry, for nothing coz I have done nothing wrong unless entertaining you guys is wrong, unless having my opinion is wrong, unless having to go along with a lot of small opinions when I have enough evidence to satisfy a buyer and myself is wrong, I don't run to evil and I haven't lied to you, simnply put somethings just aren't your business, and there's no reason to fill any of you "sticky beaks" thats Auystralian for nosey, busy bodies in on my business.

A lot of this has been fun some of it hasn't, some of these BIG GUYs in the industry need to be challenged Merril, and in my mind they sank and ran away and ducked legitimate issues. If there position is so strong and well founded why should they even care I found them unfriendly and from what I have seen their the ones with the Proud stares.

MOstly Merril I am glad you brought those things up, coz every single one of us is guilty period at one or more points in our lives and sometimes we may not even know it. Cast your stones if you like but throw one at your self first.

I locked the thread over there because if I wanted to keep hearing
it is
it is not
it is
it is not

I could stay home and listen to my 5 yr old son and 7 yr old daughter!!!

Did I cast a stone at you?
I was just quoting what GOD SAID!
Maybe God is convicting your conscience.
How, many screen names do you have, and how many times have you decietfully used them to come to your own defence?

On this forum you said:
"Hey go to e-bay and punch in 1969 chevelle, the body is unbeliveably straight, and the doors, hood, and trunk shut like they day they left the factory. Almost no rust, just a little, thats mainly why I bought it, probably not a COPO, but even if it's not it will make a great replica making use of a lot of original parts. "

But on the auction you said that it was a COPO, one of the first ones built.

Did you really sell that car?

Originally posted by Bain:
Repeeeat aafffterrr meeee

IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427
IT is a factory installed 427


OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH~ I been enjoying this for sometime now but I have to ask this. Is it really a factory installed 427? All your claims of COPO seem to revolve around the vin stamped on the block matches vin on the car. Just one problem that was pointed out before; the car was built 5 months before the engine was.

http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000019;p=4

This quote is taken from above post...... "He e-mailed me the motor stamping: 19B326463 T0324MP

Also he provided the cowl tag info:"

ST 69 13637 BAL 161444 BDY
TR 795 65 E PNT
11D B L 074899
..............................March 1969 block in a November 1968 built car.....Bain, you may want to cancel your title searches.

Now maybe I am leaping to conclusions here but would the assembly process be to have engines already built and ready to install before they build the car. Now if the engine was built before the car, that would make sense but not the other way around. So did GM just park cars in the back lot? So when a COPO order went through the GM order processing, did they search the back lot for some leftovers?

With cars changing hands over time, things break and get replaced with what’s available to that person. Somewhere down the road, someone had a nice block and stamped the vin and maybe the code on the pad. It’s not unheard of for the vin to be missing on blocks. I have a 396 sitting in my garage without one. I bought it from fellow member for a future project. He said the engine was a year newer than the car, so it is not original to his car.

So the only way to prove the car’s pedigree, whether an SS or COPO, in the later years is with paperwork. You may not even have an SS. Either way it is still a nice Chevelle.

Originally posted by Enganeer:

So the only way to prove the car’s pedigree, whether an SS or COPO, in the later years is with paperwork. You may not even have an SS. Either way it is still a nice Chevelle. He doesn't, never did. It was a 230 6 banger with a 3 on the tree.

DEar John,

Thanks for laying that out without leaping to rash conclusions and making wild accusations, thats all I really ever hated about this forum. There is a explaination that is inline with the prior owners disclosures and I know the truth. The buyer knows the truth, and thats all that counts. Do I really owe everyone here a detailed explaination so that they can say after reading it OH I get it???????

SSBLue 454 back again, your kidding right you have to be, go on back to your 12 pack and your engine cap stamps, it was a factory installed 427. Really honest Al wouldn't lie to you graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Merril things change with new info ok, I was hopeful, and some good things happened thanks

Hawaiian Camaro hows it going in home land haven't been back in a while?

Yea I can understand that but you know I am not listening to to anything than other than it is!

You know old Steve who claims to have checked with the NICB about the delivery of the car provided suspect info, I know some heavy weights in the insurance business, and there is some serious doubt as the authenticity of the claim he made, I am holding out to be sure before I say Nay, but I don't know we'll see

If you sold the car, why are you STILL so concerned with its pedigree? What is the point? Who cares if its not yours anymore? You still own the car, and are grasping at straws. Why waste your time like this? Couldnt it be better spent doing something else- after all you "SOLD" the car. I have never seen someone so concerned with something they supposedly don't own anymore. I am honestly surprised this thread has been allowed to push into 23 pages! At least transfer it to Bench Racing so it can be buried under other stories. With 2 posts in this whole category, there is no chance of it happening here graemlins/boring.gif :confused: :rolleyes:

You know old Steve who claims to have checked with the NICB about the delivery of the car provided suspect info, I know some heavy weights in the insurance business, and there is some serious doubt as the authenticity of the claim he madeFYI: NICB reports are considered a legal document by the courts. Another FYI: we have the reports on ALL of our Yenko cars...

Originally posted by Bain:
You know old Steve who claims to have checked with the NICB about the delivery of the car provided suspect info, I know some heavy weights in the insurance business, and there is some serious doubt as the authenticity of the claim he made, I am holding out to be sure before I say Nay, but I don't know we'll see The information is legitimate,I don't appreciate the attack on my credibility. Your statement proves to me what you are all about.

[QUOTE] [/A lot of this has been fun some of it hasn't, some of these BIG GUYs in the industry need to be challenged Merril, and in my mind they sank and ran away and ducked legitimate issues. If there position is so strong and well founded why should they even care I found them unfriendly and from what I have seen their the ones with the Proud stares.QUOTE]
i find some of them unfriendly also, but still give them the due respect they deserve. some of these men knew the yenkos, harrells, etc. personally, and some are the children and grandchildren of the pioneers of these cars. some have spreads bigger than some small towns, and have garages the size of a city block that house some of the most rare cars ever produced. its not their material wealth that you should respect, its their knowledge and willingness to help others get an honest to goodness real copo or yenko car. so be careful who you call out, don't let your mouth overload your butt.

Chevy 454 and Steve A ~ THats interesting, so the NICB does reports for the Court, and is not for hobby or enthusiests like Steve said on Yenko.net, yet all the Yenkos as you say Mr. 454 have these reports hmmm.

YOu know one thing that came to mind is that if these reports do exists on 35 year old cars at a time when networks of info really didn't exist at least to the degree that they do today, insurance companies would have been very interested in the engine installed by the factory or dealer, unless it's true that dealers regularly lied about that for insurance fees, but that never happened did it.

Anyway first you used it for non hobby use coz you made up a legitimate reason possible fraud, and you wouldn't access the system again, now CHevey454 says all the Yenkos have these reports????????? Do you see the problem here?

My question is how extensive are these reports? And do they exist for every car in 1969 or just these Yenko and hi performance Chevy cars???

Credibility stands up time & time again no matter what source of pressure it is up against, and frankly if your in business you know one thing is true you don't prove yourself and then thats it, you are constantly proving yourself to the market, so these alleged attacks on your credibility are your defense mechanism working instead of you proving your worth to the market when market demands it, I am part of the market like it or not. So lets not get our hackles up lets answer some tough questions. EdfC ducked mine are you going to do the same or are you going stand up without offense taken and meet the market head on! Anyone who has a problem with that clearly doesn't understand busines.

You know something that would really put some credibility to this whole fiasco? Anyone can talk out of their backside when all they do is type a keyboard. Let us know who "Bain" is, where you live, what you drive, what shows you will be at so many of the members can meet you. Many people know who I am, obviously what my name is and many of those will actually sit down for a cold one when we meet at a show. The moral of the story is, I am careful what I say on line because (A) you can NEVER take it back and (B) if I say something really stupid online, someone will bring it to my attention when we meet up. So just WHO are you so we can put a face with a name. I am not trying to slam you, only trying to point out that if you are so proud with yourself, who and what you are, then introduce yourself or please put this BS to a final end. Typing is cheap but if you are not afraid of confronting people face to face, then do so! ;)

I guess this also makes me nuts since I responded to my own "nuts" thread and I am now 336! graemlins/clonk.gif

It just amazes me that you guys are still at it.

I must say that this is mildly entertaining. When it becomes tiresome I'll stop reading it. I don't expect that will be very long.

Originally posted by Bain:
SSBLue 454 back again, your kidding right you have to be, go on back to your 12 pack and your engine cap stamps, it was a factory installed 427. Really honest Al wouldn't lie to you graemlins/thumbsup.gif You see, you are still about dumber than a bag of hammers. You can't even retype my user name properly. As far as kidding, nope, not really. By the way, all REAL MECHANICS have stamps in their toolboxes.

Guys, This is just like tossing rocks at the monkey at the zoo!

You toss a rock, the monkey will grab a handfull of crap and toss it at you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rock/Crap Rock/Crap Rock/Crap you all starting to get the picture.


Rocky

Originally posted by rocks66ss:
Guys, This is just like tossing rocks at the monkey at the zoo!

You toss a rock, the monkey will grab a handfull of crap and toss it at you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rock/Crap Rock/Crap Rock/Crap you all starting to get the picture.


Rocky Personally, I take a crap ON a rock and toss it at the monkey.....confuses the hell out of the little bastids.

Jesus Chist!.... let it die folks. It's old news now, and what ever was going to happen already did. Let it go. graemlins/boring.gif

I just had to get a post in ;)

cause this could be, or is it, the longest running bunch of BS, on record ? graemlins/sad.gif

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Originally posted by RicksRag:
I just had to get a post in ;)

cause this could be, or is it, the longest running bunch of BS, on record ? graemlins/sad.gif

graemlins/waving.gif That means Midnight could toss THIS THREAD at the monkeys!!!

*breaks out the defibrilator*


CLEAR!

Bzzzt!.......CLEAR!...BZZZT! OK, thread still has a heart beat. :D


Chucking poop at monkeys ROCKS!

Credibility stands up time & time again no matter what source of pressure it is up against, and frankly if your in business you know one thing is true you don't prove yourself and then thats it, you are constantly proving yourself to the market, so these alleged attacks on your credibility are your defense mechanism working instead of you proving your worth to the market when market demands it, I am part of the market like it or not. So lets not get our hackles up lets answer some tough questions. EdfC ducked mine are you going to do the same or are you going stand up without offense taken and meet the market head on! Anyone who has a problem with that clearly doesn't understand busines.


I stand by this and await a response from the guys that are suppose to know and are are pro Chevelle guys that is looking to find lost cars rather than keep power to themselves for their own agendas which is clearly happening here.

It's Ok for EdC to redo a car he knows he can authenticate with date coded parts to try and restore it as original as possible, but hey if I do that I am a suspected criminal and a con artist, If SteveA uses the NICB to find details on a particular classic car which is only supposed to be used for official business, but ALL the Yenko's have this paperwork clearly a serious double standard exists here.

There has been plenty of joking and trash talking, but this thread does ask some direct and legitimate questions that the authorities of this field seem to not be saying too much and/or basically ducking it all together. Shows are fine but the time is now to answer these questions Steve A Chevey454 and EdC, My feeling is the truth underminds their illusion of being the main sources of info for Chevelle owners, and hence their power and their reason for being and source of satisfaction in life that which self esteem is derived from diminshes. The truth opens a door they don't want opened, frankly I could care less if I ever see or talk to these people face to face, anyone who can't answer a tough question here isn't worth meeting. Anyone who gets offended about these questions and states your questioning my credibility probably is doing the olf corporate thing protecting what the think they have thats special their status and position in the industry.

Granted some of these guys have been the educators and have been around for a long time, so I have I and other I deal with, we're a little tired of this being a closed house, open the doors to info it will do the hobby a lot of good. graemlins/angry.gif

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Originally posted by YenkoChevelle69:
Jesus Chist!.... let it die folks. It's old news now, and what ever was going to happen already did. Let it go. graemlins/boring.gif It can't die as long as people keep bringing it back to the top by adding another reply.

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Originally posted by Dean:
It can't die as long as people keep bringing it back to the top by adding another reply.

graemlins/clonk.gif I am only replying now to show the irony of Deans post. :D

# 348

Well it died for 22 minutes smile.gif

finally bain you've got it right. it is clearly happening to you here. yes its ok for ed c to authenticate a car with date coded parts. yes it is ok for stevea to use the nicb. yes it is a closed house to you and your group, yes they are protecting their position in the industry, and along with it protecting the industry from the likes of you and your group. so as long as they keep up the good work they're ok by me.

Bain... Chevy 454 said his Yenkos had NICB reports, not all Yenkos. NICB is used by law enforcement in criminal matters. Your attempt to pass your chevelle off as a Copo was deemed reason enough for a law enforcement officer to look up your car. By now you have been told by almost every expert in the industry that you are not the owner of a Copo. There is enough text on these web sites that can be used in court to show that you are very aware of the fake you are trying to pass off. I hope you get what you deserve. You were trying to make a easy buck and got caught. You now try to spin the questions towards the experts in order to get the heat off yourself but it is not working. You have truly qualified yourself as one sad parts of this hobby.

Clill you really have it wrong quote by Chev454

FYI: NICB reports are considered a legal document by the courts. Another FYI: we have the reports on ALL of our Yenko cars...

I guess they were all considered fraud suspects so that the NICB could be used right, HE DID SAY ALL!

Anyway that potential fraud nonsense was the excuse to use the NICB data base to prove it wasn't one of the first Yenkos Chevelle, which doesn't rule out a factory installed 427. FYI.. clearly the experts also have confirmed that none of them including my expert Greg Long who is very well known to EdC whether he wants to admit it or not no one has all the records. Greg has all the ZL1 records and COPO records by the Towanda No.

That means he has identified an L72 Motor that was built for My Cars VIN, and my cars VIN has a bonafide history of being registered all the way back to Baugher Chevrolet if you want to believe Steve A and Chevy454, as Mark V said it they are clearly protecting their position and i WOULDN'T rule out using there rep when there is really no way to check them to disprove this car is one of the long lost yenkos. I think they care more about who has the car then the car itself.

Protection of your platform is akin to having an agenda even if thats not true which is possible thats the default meaning, just like people who say since your not EdC and your sourcing date coded parts for your car I am by default a crook, it's not true but this is the anaology that is being used and the double standard.

I have what I deserve and I am fine with my conscience, if I believed it was a nice clone and that was it I would be happy with 23,000 - 26000 maybe 30 if I could get someone who really just had to have it. What we would call the right buyer. BUt my belife based on many bits of info that I have in possession says it is and no can say otherwise and they actually haven't, the words questionable, possible, I doubt it have been used, NOT IT ISN"T, at least by the experts, there have abeen a few naysaysers with uses of no in the absolute, but thier not experts.

So I think you have it wrong Clill

Greg has all the ZL1 records and COPO records by the TONAWANDA #.&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;That means he identified an L72 motor.
Now I see where some of the COPO info could be coming from.This is the info I was waiting on.It is possible this guy Greg does have records.Thats the first time in public that such a statement has been made.The COPOS are being ID'd by the plant L72 vin.A distinct possibility.Were these blocks documented in Tonawanda paperwork also?

Well yea I mean if the plant received an order for an L72 motor that matches the VIN on your car, unless something really wrong happened that car got that engine, there really isn't much else that can happen. As for the Towanda Paperwork I would have to ask him that a specific question.

I'll let you know, you can see now why I am not as doubtful as some of these other people, and neither was the buyer.

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The engines coming to the car assembly plant from Tonawanda would have the date stamping eg. T0520MP. The VIN was stamped on the block in the car assembly plant eg. Baltimore. The body, chassis, and engine were coordinated to a schedule so that they all arrived together at the same time. Not a lot of chance for error. A 427 going into a 4 door sedan would have caught everyone's attention as would a 6 cylinder going into an SS396 chassis. The VIN might be a number off or something, and it happened, but the engine that was scheduled would be in the car.

Keith the question I have is that would Tonawanda have a record of all L72 block vins for warranty or documentation purposes given to them by the assembly plant.I would think thats a possibility.We know theres more docs than have been released because there are copos being documented without original paperwork.Is it also possible that the vins were supplied for the order for shipment of those blocks to the assembly plant?

I know you probably won't believe this, but without researching as much as I have in other areas you guys would know a lot more than me about it, like A lot more graemlins/clonk.gif

"ALL of our Yenko cars..." I believe that statement pertains to the Clary's personal Yenkos that they own. Rob also spoke to Greg and Greg was telling him that Canada built cars would be easier to document. He then said that US cars would take longer. My bet is that he is in the same boat as the rest of us waiting on Jim Mattison. He has nothing but maybe he has been tracking blocks that have come through his shop. In a earlier post you said he has Vince Piggins' records, now it is the Tonowanda records. Funny how the story keeps changing. Greg has produced nothing to prove he has anything real. Don't you find that odd after all this discussion ? Hmmmmmm.

Simple easy solution.He ID'd Bains car by the block which tells me its Tonawanda paperwork.Waiting for a doc.

Well Mr. Clill given the fact that Vince Piggins was heavily into the ZL1 program (The Engine) maybe thats the strength of Vince Piggins paperwork, This again is a detail I would have to clarify with Greg. I am due to have a discussion with him again on Monday so if there are any questions you wish to have specific answers to now would be the time to let me know.

Al

Al a copy of the original GM or Tonawanda paperwork ,with vins blacked out if he prefers,would help your case and would give another referance for documenting copos that are absent of original docs.Post it, email or fax it to me.Up to you.Tim Lopata

Have him post any kind of Piggins paperwork that is not already out here.. Any at all. The two of you have been called every name in the book and to shut everybody up all you have to do it put up some proof...any proof....one tiny smidgen..

Bain, your lack of reading comprehension astounds me. Pop a Ridalin, and then try and follow along...

My statement: "FYI: NICB reports are considered a legal document by the courts. Another FYI: we have the reports on ALL of our Yenko cars..."

The key word is "our" Yenko cars. Keep reading...

From Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
Main Entry: our (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=our)
Pronunciation: är, 'au(-&)r
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English oure, from Old English ure; akin to Old High German unsEr our, Old English us us
: of or relating to us or ourselves or ourself especially as possessors or possessor, agents or agent, or objects or object of an action &lt;our throne&gt; &lt;our actions&gt; &lt;our being chosen&gt;

Notice that "possessor" part? As clill tried to tell you, I was referring to "our" Yenko cars, as in the Yenko cars we possess (that means "own). Still with me? I doubt it, but keep reading...

Your (Bain/676767/Greg) quote: "Greg has all the ZL1 records and COPO records by the Towanda No."

That's not true. He didn't have anything on our 2 COPO (Yenko) cars...just a coincidence I'm sure... :rolleyes:

Chevy454 I don't energy right now to quarrell with you, I can tell you though he remembers you coz I told hi that you called, and your dumb games were VERY transparent he doesn't have time for people like you, with obvious game playing as part of the phone call.

Anyway I am following up on COPOlocos request he's a lot nicer than you

Al, If anyone will give you a straight answer Tim will he is as straight up as they come no nonsense just the truth. Sean

Chevy454 I don't energy right now to quarrell with you, I can tell you though he remembers you coz I told hi that you called, and your dumb games were VERY transparent he doesn't have time for people like you, with obvious game playing as part of the phone call.Again, Bain, no one believes the above any more than any of your other posts. But I'm curious...how did he know it was ME that called? I never told him my name (he never asked), nor what car(s) I was checking! He thought one of the VIN #s was for a Z28! Game playing...nice. He sure talked an awful lot about his "services" (or lack of) for someone who didn't have time for games...

And good luck with copoloco's request. Just don't be surprised whenever his "straight answer" isn't what you want to hear...

Ok well whatever

Hey Sean weren't you the one who emailed me that you went through the same hard time with your car, and offered to help?

Honestly I would like to come see your collection!

gosh bain, i thought greg had ALL the zl1 and copo records by the towanda #. just didn't happen to have those on the two yenkos rob owns. i think ya just meant the copo cars not the yenkos, right bain. yeah, i'm sure now thats what ya meant.

nobody has all of them no matter what they thought, and I wouldn't be surprised if he said no just to get rid of them, it took 2 weeks to get an answer back on mine, some of these guys calling up aren't really too sly.

Anyway your sarcasm is very appreciated thank you please sir could have some more!

Sold, huh?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6164&item=2487916776

First, I'd like to say I'm new here. I don't know much about Chevelles, although I've always had an interest in them (don't tell my Mopar buddies. I'll be burned at the stake.) I've studied Mopars, specifically 68-70 B-bodies, for years, and darn it, I'm not ashamed to say I know more about those cars then all but a handful of people on the planet. Anyway....

Bain, as somebody with no interest in this subject at all, I want to offer you an objective opinion. I've read all the threads on this subject, and I believe you have dodged several issues. I am not attacking you or your car, man, I hope it is real, and if it is, wonderful. You claim there's a guy who has the holy grail of Chevrolet paperwork. I have to ask, why has nobody else heard of this. I know a total of one guy on this site, but I suspect several of the guys here are Chevelle experts I've read about in Musclecar Review for years. If some of these guys are who I think they are, remember you're talking to guys who have studied Chevelles for decades. It may seem to you that you're being attacked, but from a third party standpoint, it appears that you are playing games. Consider this. A few weeks ago, I was approached by a guy who claimed to an expert in Mopars. He claimed to have all the "lost" paperwork that disappeared from Highland Park in the late '70's. All of it, every scrap. Even though I knew what had happened to that paperwork, and knew damn well he didn't have it, I indulged him. After feeding me a banquet of bulls***, he capped it all off by saying he had a factory Plum Crazy 440 Six-Pak 69 Charger R/T. I don't know how much you know about Mopars, but factory purple Tri-Carb Charger in 69 is absolutely, unequivocally impossible. It would not happen, could not happen. And, of course, when I asked to be shown this paperwork, and this car, of course he had a dentist's appointment. I have called him a dozen times since, and there is always some excuse. It appears to me that the same thing is going on here. You have been cornered several times, and have simply bulldozed your way out of it by questioning other people's integrity, generally with no foundation, which only serves to destroy your own credibility. If members of this board have been harsh with you, understand that these guys hear a new B.S. story every week. I know I do, and eventually, my tolerance runs out. I understand exactly where these guys are coming from; I hear a new story about the mythical and legendary "man with all the answers" every other week, and he just don't exist. You have been caught in corners consistently, but it's always the other guy who's wrong. Ed C. buys your car. But you instantly say he won't admit to it. Why? Who really cares if Ed owns the car now. Is it a matter of this controversy? If so, the fact that Ed owns it pretty much cancels the argument. If Ed says it's right, there is no controversy. I don't understand that point. Also, did the car have a 454 in it or not? What was the build date? Was it to early or wasn't it? If you claim to have a Six Barrel Road Runner built in September 68, you're just wrong. There is no argument, you're wrong. It seems the story has evolved over time, just like most stories do. You claimed it may have gone to Yenko. Then somebody runs an NICB report and tells you it came from Virginia. You question his integrity. Chevy454 says he has the NICBs for his Yenkos, you question his integrity. You question Ed C's integrity. You question the integity of everyone who inspected the car(was it a KQ rear, or a KK?). I don't know any of these other people, but I have dealt with Chevy454 on one occasion, and found him to be as good as his word, no questions. You are questioning some very big guns in the Chevrolet musclecar world, and, quite frankly, from what I've seen, you simply don't have the ammunition. Once again, I have no interest here, and I wanted to offer a third party opinion from someone who has seen both sides of the fight. I hope it is real, I really do. But if I were a prospective buyer, you would have offered nothing to make me believe that this is a real car. Quite the opposite, as of this point, I have to believe this car is a fake.

Isn't the vin stamped once the block is in the car? This is getting about as out there as it could ever get! The last auction didn't meet reserve but the car sold and the last buyer had a death in the family and couldn't meet his commitment... Someone with some expendable cash "buy it now" and hand this nut his sac in court...

Originally posted by Cameano:
Sold, huh?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6164&item=2487916776 And now Ed C. had death in the family? Wow, that's too bad.... graemlins/sad.gif

Wow...just came to check how this thread was going and....for some reason I smell the fresh scent of pine...

Dear Hemi Kid,

I appreciate the way you started but now your getting on the sarcastic side must a chevelle tech trait, no matter, for you I will answer a few questions:

1) Greg Long is actaully well known and what he has ins't the Holy Grail of paperwork it is substantial and is an alternate way to document a car kind of corner it to where it has no other way to go except COPO or ZL1 depending on what your talking about.

2) Yes I have played games at different for different reasons, some for fun, some to screw with people who were casting the conartist and crook word around like tissue paper, and at other times to get people who do know what I am talking about out here to make a statement, but they mostly ducked the real issues.

3) I am confident that this is a real COPO and at this point in time the only person I am going to deal with in a discussion is Tim Laporta COPOLOCO, he a nice guy who has stayed objective.

Now you stay in line son or I will have to report ya to the Mopar police can you imagine what they would do if they found you here. A few weeks ago I did have a few opportuities to drive a 71 Cuda with a built 440 Hemi in Australia down the 1/4 mile what a rush, this guys Mopar really hauled ass. 11.97 12.15 12.32 were the best times on this aspirated horse power monster, and this is a slow track I swear it's uphill with black paint for pavement. I liked it, but I still gonna have to be Chevy sorry.

Take care

To the rest yea this guy actually knows Greg and what his rep is in certain communities owns a race shop out of a near by state. You know a death in the family can be devastating I am certainly not going to disrespect this man coz he follow through at this point. Some of you are really callous. So I have relist it so what!

I musta missed something, feedback says was listed as a COPO and IS NOT!!! Fun reading though. Mike
Sorry, that was the LAST time it was listed graemlins/clonk.gif

hemikid, if you seen some of the other threads, you would see that some of these people from the beginning gave him the info he was looking for, these people were very forthcoming and i'm sure were hoping it was a real copo car as much as he was, they spent time researching his request and it didn't turn out the way he wanted. then as you can read how it all turned out. i have no stake in it either, but the way he goes from forum to forum starting the sh** just got myself started. i've seen big money mopars sell sight unseen because the car had galen govier's blessing on it, same holds true in these parts when it comes to the chevy gurus.

He has now worded his ad so that he sells the car but DPE will do the documentation so when nothing happens from DPE he is off the hook. He now no longer claims it has the orig engine, trans or rear so he is off the hook. Textbook..."I am gonna rip you off because you didn't read my real meaning". Where is that tiny smidgen of proof ? Death in the family.... Gregs dog ate the paperwork. Be sure and refer to these threads in your auction.

Why there blatently disrespectful, and actually this has been more of an evolving sale as info comes forth, I don't have to share some of the other info with you as I have said the buyer gets that not you, or did you forget that it wasn't your business, I guess you did, ok it's not your business dick head

MarkV the majority of Mopars have VIN that actually tell you what the car originally came with, blessings are not always necessary. I wish chvy did that with 69 and 70 would have made a lot of this easier, please correct me if I am wronf Hemi Kid

ooooooo..guess I hit a little close to home...still no smidgen either.

And the saddest part of this whole stupid adventure is it looks like a decent car.

440 hemi?

Originally posted by Belair62:
Wow...just came to check how this thread was going and....for some reason I smell the fresh scent of pine... Yeah, that was probably me, sorry. tongue.gif

Originally posted by Bain:
MarkV the majority of Mopars have VIN that actually tell you what the car originally came with, blessings are not always necessary. I wish chvy did that with 69 and 70 would have made a lot of this easier, please correct me if I am wronf Hemi Kid No, you're 100% correct. The problem is, it really doesn't make any difference. Even with most of the relevent stuff coded on the fender tag, it's just as easy to clone a Mopar as it is a Chevy, because most people don't know what to look for. I've looked at many a supposed Hemi car that wasn't... :mad:

Hey Bain. I almost understand where you're coming from. Obviously it bothers you that someone can rebuild a complete rustbucket into a show winning COPO that's worth a fortune. And sometimes after it's all said and done about the only original piece left is the firewall. But the catch is that they started with a real COPO.

You're putting the cart before the horse. You cannot (at least not legally) make a COPO out of a lesser car. Your Chevelle isn't a bad looking ride, and I can't imagine that the 427 will hurt it's value. Accept that, or risk going to jail. Think about it. It's all here on this board. You've said enough here to get yourself royally screwed.

IF the car is sold to an unsuspecting buyer, it's only a matter of time until he learns. The Chevelle community is close knit, and as the years go on, it'll only get tighter. You can run, but you can't hide.

You want a suggestion? Don't try this in Pontiac-land. Or Mopar-world. Hell, I'd be damn careful even trying it in the Rice crowd. Bottom line I guess, is that cars aren't going to make you rich the way you're going about it. See if you can't get involved in some Enron-type scandal. HTH.

Ok Damn I am totally Confused - I gave up on this thread a while ago when i thought Bain got some sucker to Buy the car and now it is not sold and there are like a million more posts. So what is up with this car and how can Bain get off selling the car as a COPO without documentation and seriously who in their right mind would spend that kind of coin on a car without documentation upfront ????

If anyone buys this one I got some Ocean Front Property to sell them here in Ottawa :D

"I've got some ocean front property in Arizona... if you buy that, I'll throw the golden gate in free"

Originally posted by DjD:
Isn't the vin stamped once the block is in the car? This is getting about as out there as it could ever get! The last auction didn't meet reserve but the car sold and the last buyer had a death in the family and couldn't meet his commitment... Someone with some expendable cash "buy it now" and hand this nut his sac in court... There is a magical thing about ebay... I'll let you in on a secret.

[1]Create an Ebay account with your credit card.
[2]Create a second account with another credit card
[3]Create a third account with yet another card


a.With [1] account, create auction, make auction private so no one can see past bidders.
b.[2]Place bid on your own car
c.[3]Place bid on you own car

repeat 25 b-c times

Makes it appear the car has alot of bids, therefore it must be real. This is a typical scamming method. Becasue your bidding on yourself, there is no money exchange.

Originally posted by Steve D 64 SS:
"I've got some ocean front property in Arizona... if you buy that, I'll throw the golden gate in free" I was going to use that line but I was not sure how many people actually knew the song tongue.gif

"Tim Laporta COPOLOCO, he a nice guy who has stayed objective."

For months everyone stayed objective with you but you put no meat on the table...no one said what you wanted to hear..then it became a cat and mouse game on several sites...I'm sure everyone hopes it's a COPO...but you never made the case for it...that Italian guy Tim Laporta is going to need to see some proof positive which you haven't come up with yet..and he will not be afraid to call you out on it...why not just get your documents and show everyone you were right.

That Makes way too much sense....

I have said nothing that royally screws myself, no laws have been broken, no frasud has been committed, unless playing games with Chevelle tech has all of a sudden become a federal offense, you guys act like it is, thats arrogant.

The car was an original 427 and for 100th time I don't prove that to any of you. gee wiz man

Originally posted by Bain:
The car was an original 427 and for 100th time I don't prove that to any of you. gee wiz man If you honestly believe that, I have a few simple questions for you:

Why do you continually come back here to defend yourself?

Haven't you noticed that it's futile without the aforementioned evidence?

Are you a troll?

Are you a troll?I thought you said "simple questions". That's like asking the devil if he's evil -- you'll never get a straight answer from Bain.

You know, the car in question is nice and all, but there are cars as nice or nicer than it on this board and elsrwhere- yet it has garnered 27 pages of discussion? WHY? Its not like its a long lost Chevy Cheetah prototype with the original engine or something..

If you come to a CHEVELLE message board and make claims that youre car is a COPO, DONT expect people NOT to call you out! Yes, its ONLY the internet, but still...same thing goes on other boards when it comes to rarities. The sad part is, this thread WILL top 30+ pages because the car HAS been relisted AND is UNEQUIVOCALLY stated in the wording of the new auction to be a 110% FOR SURE COPO. There is no question in the wording of that auction that the car is being sold as a COPO Chevelle. If someone buys the car, and its not a COPO 427, someone is going to get sued. Oh well, those are the breaks.

if someone buys that car without checking it out, then they're the idiot, they get what they deserve. like the first idiot said, he's just playing games at this time, he knows as well as we that the car is not a copo.

Originally posted by Bain:


The car was an original 427 and for 100th time I don't prove that to any of you. gee wiz man Why don't you need to prove it to us?

400!, 400!, 400!

Bain, you keep saying that you don't have to prove anything to anyone here. I almost agree with you except for one thing. There are several members here and on the Yenko board that would buy your car in a second IF you could PROVE it is a COPO. If you have the proof you claim, you are stupid not to show it. ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB????
James

Originally posted by jfkheat:
There are several members here and on the Yenko board that would buy your car in a second IF you could PROVE it is a COPO. If you have the proof you claim, you are stupid not to show it. ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB????
James You know, that is really a great point! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Why take less than its worth if the proof is there to back it up. That DOESNT make any sense. graemlins/sad.gif

Bain,so if I take my Nov. 1969 512 block,and stamp my VIN and the CRR suffix on it,I guess I can sell my 70 SS454 Baltimore January build date car as a matching # LS6 because its all about what it appears to be,right?

You know, the car in question is nice and all, but there are cars as nice or nicer than it on this board and elsrwhere- yet it has garnered 27 pages of discussion? WHY? Its not like its a long lost Chevy Cheetah prototype with the original engine or something..

Buzzbomb, you referred to a Chevy Cheetah prototype. Can you enlighten me please?

Thanks

Jerry

Bain,what year is that steering wheel? Why does the car have the SS396 emblem on the rear? :confused:

Dear Mr. 4 speed, clearly many things that came with the car are still on the car, and all I can is so what, who cares, leave the steering wheel alone. I suppose I could have taken the SS off, but again who gives a crap, if the Tonawanda Engine number with corresponding partial VIN is correct and the cars VIN has no salvage notation in it's record well then it could have every piece on the car from different years, doesn't mean it's not a COPO

RIGHT?? Those little things are for the next owner to restore back to it's original COPO look and configuration or not I left it OK, is that alright with you?

Al

Dear JFK Heat~ Well that does sound dumb, want to hear something dumber? Why can't guys like Ed and Chev 454 at Yenko.net,Greg, and anyone else who has records or access to the NICB sit down and cooperate to build once for all the most comprehensive data base to find all the cars, and share info back and forth?????

Answer that question, I don't think you will like the answer, truthfully it isn't all about the hobbie or the good of cars. POst from Greg I don't know what it means??? maybe you guys can tell me.

Greetings Al,

have Rob Clary give you his camaro and chevelle tonawana big block assembly date for both cars...I will give him a little insight on his cars...example..T1023MN...there were 823 of these engines that went to real cars...for a total of 1,016...L-72..that were delivered and installed by chevrolet...that is just on 69 camaro....there were 88 COPO..9560..430HP..engines that left the engine plant...that left the engine plant ...I have the breakkdown of what cars they went in....Greg

Dear JFK Heat~ Well that does sound dumb, want to hear something dumber? Why can't guys like Ed and Chev 454 at Yenko.net,Greg, and anyone else who has records or access to the NICB sit down and cooperate to build once for all the most comprehensive data base to find all the cars, and share info back and forth?????

Answer that question, I don't think you will like the answer, truthfully it isn't all about the hobbie or the good of cars. POst from Greg I don't know what it means??? maybe you guys can tell me.

Greetings Al,

have Rob Clary give you his camaro and chevelle tonawana big block assembly date for both cars...I will give him a little insight on his cars...example..T1023MN...there were 823 of these engines that went to real cars...for a total of 1,016...L-72..that were delivered and installed by chevrolet...that is just on 69 camaro....there were 88 COPO..9560..430HP..engines that left the engine plant...that left the engine plant ...I have the breakkdown of what cars they went in....Greg


Whos Rob Clary anyone KNow

Bain, once again, as usual, you completely evaded what I am talking about. If you really want to sell the car for what you say it is worth, why don't you post the proof you say you have?
James

BWT, Rob Clary is Chevy454.

Have you ever thought about going into politics? Since you are so good at evading the questions being asked of you and your future as a used car salesman is not looking very good, I thought you would make an excellent politician.
James

i'll weigh in on this just a little bit to up the ante...
i've had discussions with Alan Colvin (author of Chevrolet by the Numbers) about the premise of '71 LS6 cars over 5 years ago...he has Tonawanda records that show the engines were built...he never mentioned that there were VINs assigned which would easily prove the premise...my take is Tonawanda did not know which vehicles they are slated for...that's assigned at the assembly line...

Alan, you out there???

first it was Vince Piggins now its Tonawanda's records...which is it???

POps it's hard to come in here with over 400 posts and be up to speed, You know Vince Piggins started with a few others the ZL1 engine program, so why can't it be both or both with a combination with other records, anyway copoloco on page I think 24 or 25 said something about it, but honestly don't talk to me about it, the key here is EdC, Rob Clary, Copoloco, and Greg Long sitting down and talking, their the ones who can have it out and come to a meeting of the minds and who knows what would come of that? Would be intersting and WOULD DEFINETLY bring a close to this issue. THats not politician talk JFK thats reality. I would make a lousy politician trust me!
and as far as used car salesman, well I wouldn't do very well there either, and I thank whoever said that coz I ahve never met an honest used car salesperson, but I made one hell of a armor designer and sales consultant.

A.D. Bain AKA Square Deal Al

I tell ya what I will throw 100 bones to the pot to see if it is legit anyone with me? lets step up for bain and help this guy out!!!! and get his papers!!!! sean

blumont,

The Cheetah is what many regard as the ultimate Chevrolet (built by Bill Thomas)- 377ci of stroker small block and around 1700 pounds redface.gif . It was a Cobra killer, and from all accounts a downright SCARY car. They are worth probably close to a million (or more) dollars if original. However, I think most have been found. There were only like 48 built or something. I believe they ceased production because the factory burned down :( . Its an awesome car, here is the "fansite".

http://www.cheetahcars.com/Yeakelcar.htm

No matter how much people pressure Bain to prove his car is a COPO, he will never do it. He doesnt have to, really. But in that case, Bain, why waste the time? Its your time to waste, but whats the point. And why would all those SUpercar guys come together just to discuss your car? Im sure they all have bigger fish to fry. graemlins/boring.gif

The supercar guys have already discussed his car and showed proof that it's not a COPO.
James

Cube (Sean) thanks for the nice comment.Just got off the phone with Greg.He has informed me that he does have paperwork and the type of paperwork that he does have.He has informed me that because it isn't a priority in his life right now that he doesn't have the time to cooralate all the documentation into any type of specific order that can be used to document any vin# properly at this time.He has told me that he would love to release the info to help others in the identification of their cars BY BLOCK VIN.He doesn't have all the paperwork but a good portion of it and it was obtained through Vince Piggins.He has given me a time frame of approximately when this can be done and he says within the next few months he will sit down and figure out the best way to do it.He sounded forthrite to me and can only go by his word.I don't know Greg or have never spoken to him until tonite.It is my understanding that there are earlier copo chevelles than was originally determined.Whether Als is or not he will have to get that info from Greg.Pretty interesting conversation and if the paperwork is what Greg says it is I'll be glad to see it released.Under no circumstance should my comments be construded as nothing other than posting a conversation.I am not verifying or putting my stamp of approval on anything until I sit down with Greg and see what documentation he does have.I'm patient.Tim

Cool COPOLOCO thats the wise approach, hey listen everyone who thinks I am a crook and conartist LISTEN UP, I am up to 29 stars on ebay, EVERY PERSON WHO HAS EVER BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM ME ON EBAY HAS SAID PERFECT AS DESCRIBED OR BETTER THAN DESCRIBED 100%

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A CROOK graemlins/thumbsup.gif ???

SQUARE DEAL AL SAYS NO! AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT CHECK TO THE BANK AND CASH IT!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Bain, you keep saying that you don't have to prove anything to anyone here. I almost agree with you except for one thing. There are several members here and on the Yenko board that would buy your car in a second IF you could PROVE it is a COPO. If you have the proof you claim, you are stupid not to show it. ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB????
James


OK look the value on a trailer queen COPO Chevelle I think it's been agreed by everyone's input on this post is no more than 80,000, maybe 90,000 if you found the right buyer, thats everything perfect even if you had to rebuild it with date coded parts that didn't come original with the car, but perfect. Go my way and realize I fell into the same problem as the last three sellers couldn't prove it, along comes the fifth owner who saw my ebay ad and gave me serious details about the car combined with Greg atr D.P.E., and yea I am glad that I didn't sell it for 30,000, but with the re-restore to original, my time, and the costs, I would end up having a fat savings account in this car like I don't already. AS the car sits even with paper 55,000 is all the money in the world on that car, and if I were Rob Clarely I would try to get it for 45,000, so the value range is 45000 - 55000 depending on who really wants the car and how bad, so your statement is not really accurate and I am not dumb OK! smile.gif

Al

Originally posted by Bain:
POps it's hard to come in here with over 400 posts and be up to speed,i lurk most of the time and assure you i have read every reply to this and every linked thread on this issue...

well ok, but based on your response I got the idea you didn't or have forgot a few things, but thats alright, any other input on the matter after reading a few posts prior from COPOloco

Its nice that someone has talked to Gred at DPE, and he didn't try to sell vin stamping for once but its quite ironic that Greg is unable to release any information for the next few months. Bains car auction closes in less than 4 days and money must transfer hands 7 days later.

Am I the only one here who is questioning the relyablility of this Greg character. Who is to say that Greg = Bain, or Greg = Family member. Afterall, on Yenko.net it seemed pretty clear to me that Greg was Bain, then was Greg then was Bain. Maybe they are on the scam together, split the profits... Mafioso. Just my honest opinion.

Who in their right mind would pay $55,000 US for a car without documentation, then have to buy documentation for God knows how much... I know... Refer to last auction.. You know 25 bids nice even number, private bidders... seems alittle odd.. perhaps bidding on own auction... family member dies? Anyone "dare" to check the obituary? It isn't hard. Not to many ED. C's around... But let me guess, ED. C didn't buy it becasue the story will change.. AGAIN.

My dad once said, you can sugar coat a peice of dog doo, and you know what? It still tastes like sh#t.

Roxxy Bain is here defending his car not Greg.Greg is well known in the business of restamping.He called me and explained what he does, how he aquired the records and why he recieved them.He told me Bain is selling his car not him.He has relayed to me the projects he has currently and why he couldn't take time to take care of the records.The records he aquired were for his own personal use and he never expected to use them for anything other than that.The way he explained it to me is it isn't 4 sheets of paper its boxes of documents that have to be sifted through and put into whatever type of order you'd put them in.His releasing anything was at my request.I have no intention on asking him to stop his life or buisiness to take the amount of time it could require to attempt such a task.I have no dog in this fight alls I can say is down the road he is going to let me view those records and he will decide on how he wants to procede.I do not know either one of these gentlemen but when it comes to the paperwork I'm not ready to declare B.S. yet .Tim

Originally posted by Bain:
Dear Mr. 4 speed, clearly many things that came with the car are still on the car, and all I can is so what, who cares, leave the steering wheel alone. I suppose I could have taken the SS off, but again who gives a crap, if the Tonawanda Engine number with corresponding partial VIN is correct and the cars VIN has no salvage notation in it's record well then it could have every piece on the car from different years, doesn't mean it's not a COPO

I don't see much original equipment anywhere on the car..not the original color,not the original interior,and there doesn't seem to be much correct under the hood..all I see is a bunch of speed parts.
And your motor is restamped or so it appears on the evidence on this bb and the others.
So what orignal equipment is on it? :confused:
A "correct" rear and a restamped motor? Hardly worth 55K graemlins/sad.gif
..that being said,still a nice car though.

....which brings it all back to what started it...Bains car....still nothing to back up your claim.NOTHING..just telephone chatter with a good measure of crap tossed in.The fact that this guy posted as Greg or vice versa elsewhere would give you cause to be very cautious here COPOLOCO...good luck. Bain, shoot me a PM on the location of those 90k trailer queen COPO Chevelles will ya. Time to stop humoring you and let people work with Greg and see what happens...my bet is nothing new. Too many people have already worked on Tonawanda numbers...suffix codes and production numbers for them...yes...VIN's doubtful...your car...not now.

Mr. 4 sp if you red the last ebay ad, you would know that I have the hostiroy on this car and I made a declaration that acknowledges that the trans and rear end have been blown, and I now knwo the fate of the engine. IT's a date code equipment put back in the car, ok so what, if it's a COPO one of abotu 130 TH400 made and it can be documented don't tell me it's not worth a fair bit of change a lot more that a Papered original SS396 easy!


PM whats that mean referring to the locaiton of a COPO trailer queen for 90,000???

If you have one for 90k call me I will buy them all day long!!!!!! Sean

A documented COPO that has been restored with date coded correct components and has definitive documentation is fine and acceptable..same with LS6 cars.
Just by taking a correctly date coded block and adding the correct VIN and engine code suffix you could say anything you want,but it doesn't mean it left the factory that way,especially without documentation proving what it is.With high dollar cars,the flare always goes up.
..and I have read your ads very,very carefully smile.gif

Bane
The only thing I can see you are guilty of is being a dumb ass. Why **** off half of America and the entire supercar world when you are trying to sell something. If you actually have a real copo when the smoke clears they will seek you out.

After being away in Iraq for the last 15 months WITHOUT internet access it has taken me a good month to catch up. I am very pleased to see some interesting subjects being brought up. I will say that I have been a Chevelle owner since 1982 (I was 16) and truly love my chosen cars. I am always on the look out for Chevelles no matter where the Army has sent me to include 4 trips to the Middle east and 1 to Somalia. I have taken lots of pictures when I did see a battered Chevelle in enemy hands.
I have not personally met anyone here at TC but will say that I have been given great advice whenever I needed it and made some wonderful connections with folks when I had trouble with my 72 SS that I bought online. It was advertised as a 72 SS 402 with a factory replacement 454. When the car was delivered it turned out that it was an SS car but had a 1966 impala 325 HP 396. It ran great but was not as advertised. With some help from the folks here I managed to get the dealer, who was stone walling me because I was deploying to Kuwait, to pick up the car and put a 454 in it and deliver it back before I left. Once again, a big thank you to everyone that helped.
I do have an opinion about this subject but it is truly irrelevant at this point in time. I asked my German wife to read this and tell me what she thought. She is not a car person and knows nothing of hot rods except that I love them a nd own a couple. Her first car was an east German Trabant(look it up). her opinion on this subject was the same as mine with no imput from me. So I feel better knowing that I am not biased in my train of thought.
The only thing that I have to say to Bain is that a few posts ago you referred to one of the members here as a stupid grunt. I saw also that on another forum you call yourself armorman.
Let me say that I am a grunt. I am an Infantry first sergeant and have been in the infantry my whole career which currently spans 22 years. The term grunt is a badge of honor with us. I buried 2 "grunts" in Baghdad. I am curious, are you a vet? If you are, then maybe you were a tanker, hence your user name of armorman. That being said, your use of the term grunt as a derrogatory description of a fellow TC'er has earned you a good old fashioned ass whooping. Just give me your 8 digit grid, and I will arrange the rest. If you are not a vet and your user name has nothing to do with you being an armor crew member, then at at very least, YOU have been brought up to speed on the term Grunt. If this is the case, then now that you are educated in such things, I would expect that any further use of that sacred title to be done with the utmost care and respect.

And yes I like your/his/her/their car or whose ever it is. I like it not because it is/isn't a copo but because it is a nice Chevelle. Nothing more, nothing less.

To the rest of the TC'ers out there, after I post this message I will be sending in my money for my flag and membership.

Keep up the fight!

1SG Eric Clemens
First Armored Division

1SG - All I can say after that is "HOOAH!". Both for educating Mr. "Bain" and for your love of Chevelles.

I spent 11 years in the Navy (Fast Attack Submarine USS Montpelier (SSN-765) and at WHCA - Joint Command) and my wife (SFC Denita Z.) still serves and just rolled over 14 years -- currently assigned to WHCA, Washington, DC.

Keep up the fight and you are appreciated. God bless you and yours, and your soldiers.

The records he aquired were for his own personal use and he never expected to use them for anything other than that.The way he explained it to me is it isn't 4 sheets of paper its boxes of documents that have to be sifted through and put into whatever type of order you'd put them inPlease explain something to me... IF Greg REALLY has the documents (maybe he does, maybe he doesn't), I can understand that they may be out of order/messed up/etc and may take alot of time to search for a particular VIN... For someone elses car...

BUT, IF Greg has already confirmed to Bain that he knows Bain's car is a true COPO, then why would it take Greg weeks to confirm that to a subsequent owner??? He already (supposedly) found the information for Bain's car, at least enough info to prove bain's claim of a true COPO...

Greg must have already found something on Bain's VIN that confirms COPO status (or so the story goes), yet it will take many weeks for a new owner to get that documentation from Greg???

If Greg truly found any info supporting Bain's claim, then that info (even if incomplete) should be available immediately to any subsequent buyer of Bain's car, without waiting for Greg to find it (because he already found that info, right?)...

Are we supposed to believe Greg actually searched and found the information for Bain's car, and then just stuffed it back in any-old box somewhere? If Greg TRULY found any info, that info should be readily available, no matter what Greg is busy with...

How much is Greg asking for these documents? And how much time would it really take to find them... I bet that "hourly rate" is better than almost any other job/career...

Not that it isn't a COPO, its just MORE information that doesn't add up... more to be sceptical about...

Originally posted by BIGSARGE:
After being away in Iraq for the last 15 months WITHOUT internet access it has taken me a good month to catch up. I am very pleased to see some interesting subjects being brought up. I will say that I have been a Chevelle owner since 1982 (I was 16) and truly love my chosen cars. I am always on the look out for Chevelles no matter where the Army has sent me to include 4 trips to the Middle east and 1 to Somalia. I have taken lots of pictures when I did see a battered Chevelle in enemy hands.
I have not personally met anyone here at TC but will say that I have been given great advice whenever I needed it and made some wonderful connections with folks when I had trouble with my 72 SS that I bought online. It was advertised as a 72 SS 402 with a factory replacement 454. When the car was delivered it turned out that it was an SS car but had a 1966 impala 325 HP 396. It ran great but was not as advertised. With some help from the folks here I managed to get the dealer, who was stone walling me because I was deploying to Kuwait, to pick up the car and put a 454 in it and deliver it back before I left. Once again, a big thank you to everyone that helped.
I do have an opinion about this subject but it is truly irrelevant at this point in time. I asked my German wife to read this and tell me what she thought. She is not a car person and knows nothing of hot rods except that I love them a nd own a couple. Her first car was an east German Trabant(look it up). her opinion on this subject was the same as mine with no imput from me. So I feel better knowing that I am not biased in my train of thought.
The only thing that I have to say to Bain is that a few posts ago you referred to one of the members here as a stupid grunt. I saw also that on another forum you call yourself armorman.
Let me say that I am a grunt. I am an Infantry first sergeant and have been in the infantry my whole career which currently spans 22 years. The term grunt is a badge of honor with us. I buried 2 "grunts" in Baghdad. I am curious, are you a vet? If you are, then maybe you were a tanker, hence your user name of armorman. That being said, your use of the term grunt as a derrogatory description of a fellow TC'er has earned you a good old fashioned ass whooping. Just give me your 8 digit grid, and I will arrange the rest. If you are not a vet and your user name has nothing to do with you being an armor crew member, then at at very least, YOU have been brought up to speed on the term Grunt. If this is the case, then now that you are educated in such things, I would expect that any further use of that sacred title to be done with the utmost care and respect.

And yes I like your/his/her/their car or whose ever it is. I like it not because it is/isn't a copo but because it is a nice Chevelle. Nothing more, nothing less.

To the rest of the TC'ers out there, after I post this message I will be sending in my money for my flag and membership.

Keep up the fight!

1SG Eric Clemens
First Armored Division graemlins/hurray.gif graemlins/hurray.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/beers.gif

Who in the world would pay more for a car like this that no longer looks like a COPO, no longer has the original engine or trans, and has no authentic documentation other than MAYBE something that's not familiar to most people in this hobby? Probably nobody.

With all of this so called information available, Greg should hire a publisher to sort through this and I'm sure they could more than make their money back on this. Without the original drive train and paper trail, this car is nothing more than a CLONE!!!!!

Originally posted by cube:
If you have one for 90k call me I will buy them all day long!!!!!! Sean This car was REALLY NICE. The paper work seemed to be all there too. Bain's car is nice, but even from the pictures it isnt quite like the car below. Sure it's Orange, not red or Blue- but still.. And yes, BarJ can be completely unrealistic when it comes to cars. However, these two links is a VERIFIED COPO car. Check COPO.com if you wish, its on there.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=176222
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=174403

I predicted 30 pages, and I'll be damned if it wasnt me who put it there-LOL :rolleyes:

All I can say is,if I had 55K to spend,I wouldn't be looking at this car.
If I was looking for a COPO,and really had to have one,I wouldn't buy this car..
and why? If I never read any of this here on TC or Yenko.net and just read the ebay ad I would be totally skeptical.
The auction description puts up so many warnings and flares its very obvious unless you don't know anything about COPO's and vintage Chevys.
The statement Gregg confirmed that the VIN for this car appears on a list of L72's means little to me unless they are factory produced documents and that they can be confirmed geniune by a mutually agreed upon third party noteworthy expert.

The only input left I can offer is that in 4-5 months ,the timetable I have been given,I will want to see the documentation.Either one of two things is going to happen,it will be what he says it is or it won't be what he claims.Either way this site will be the first to know anything I find out.(our site is cringing).As said in a previous post about me this is serious to me and I'm expected to be just as nasty as I am nice.As for Bains car proof is in the pudding.He is either going to get the documentation he needs or he'll be selling what the car is at this point.He has been told he has a copo its up to him to provide proof of that.I recomend to Al get the proof then sale the car.Its not the cars fault this has all transpired and I would hate to see this car stuck with a stigma either way.My opinion.

It's a good opinion, really about the only person who will buy it as a COPO is someone who actually knows Greg and his circle, and the last buyer was that demo, the guy is still gone? Have no idea when he'll be back.

So thats it for now, no more postd until Greg comes up with the goods right?

Hey Buzzy,

You know my car isn't to far off from those samples you showed us, mine could use a little more improvement in the look, and the change over to the bench seat and authentic color, but the mecahnical and driving characteristics on mine remind me of a car that was bought new and has maybe 5,000 to 10,000 miles on it, it really drives well, thats no lie, and does look nice, the interior is the weak point, but it honestly needs to be gutted anyway to restore it back to it's original state

yeah really bain yours would be just like those except for the engine, transmission, rear end, brakes, steering, interior, wheels, tires, shocks, driveline, and the dreaded steering wheel. i can see the resemblence now. and at 54k wow what a bargain you're pile of junk is. getting many bids on it bane?

DEAR MR. BAIN,
i have some questions about your NOPO.
lets see where to start? The last time you listed this car it was listed with 70,000 miles on it right? yet it is promply relisted with 71,000 miles on it right? And myteriously you just sold a 69 guage cluster with what? 70,000 miles on it? some may say a mear oversight on your part. but if you look at your recent purchases and sales on e-bay the puzzle gets clearer. Let see a recent purchase of not only a 163 intake, but some 840 cast heads and before you try the ol i just sold those, they are not the ones you just sold these are the a28 and a29 heads, seems you put a new cluster in it with the proper redline tach. did that car originaly come with a clock in the guage cluster? because if it did it is missing now...hhhmmmm kind of strange. now that 71,000 mile thing is making more sense.
Also why would a guy with the means to restamp engines be so interested in only the Tonowanda numbers? And what is too much for that info 1K, maybe 2K? seems a small price to pay to double your money, almost a NO BAINER.
was that rear end you just bought a KQ?
Is that know in it also?
If it is the original engine in it why does your add state it has a new "Beefy L-72"
Are the parts original or just date coded? which is it? since in your add you state both original and date coded?

wow Mr. ss427 now you have me cornered NOT, tell me why I need to explain this to you, give me a good reason, a really good reason, and I might just tell you the whole story from beginning to end, I know everyone wants to know, so can anyone come up with a compelling reason why I should bother, becasue I will. Your alleged identification of these so called discrepancy are not descrepancies at all they are really quite explainable, really, but why should I bother, what give the right to know my business Mr. Snoopy. Give me one compelling reason jsut one!

MarkV the bidding is light coz of guys like you interferring with someones business, with no foundation, August being a slow month, and the other reason most of the people are interested around 45- 50 thousand but they want paper first, So I have asked Greg if there is anything we can do to show them any kind of anything in the here and now instead of October or November. Once again your demeaner is disappointing, I am trying to be cordial even with people who choose words like crook and pile of you know what you mean. Belive it or not there are few guys at this point that are secretly behind me on this one, they respect the fact that I won't back down to guys like you, and I won't, if I am wrong I will be the first to admitt it, but I have more evidence that says otherwise, more than that the naysayers have a lot more.

so go now into the woods and relieve yourself so I don't have to here anymore of your crap. :D

Well, your explanation would further the entertainment factor about 10 fold and you seem to enjoy the banter in the forum. Consider it forplay helping you get the most out of this whole affair.

:D
:eek:

Originally posted by Bain:
MarkV the bidding is light coz of guys like you interferring with someones business, with no foundation, August being a slow month, and the other reason most of the people are interested around 45- 50 thousand but they want paper first, So I have asked Greg if there is anything we can do to show them any kind of anything in the here and now instead of October or November. Once again your demeaner is disappointing, I am trying to be cordial even with people who choose words like crook and pile of you know what you mean. Belive it or not there are few guys at this point that are secretly behind me on this one, they respect the fact that I won't back down to guys like you, and I won't, if I am wrong I will be the first to admitt it, but I have more evidence that says otherwise, more than that the naysayers have a lot more.

so go now into the woods and relieve yourself so I don't have to here anymore of your crap. :D Maybe the bidding is slow because people see your spelling and are scared off because they believe you are flat out drunk.

Bain, In an earlier post someone brought up an interesting thought. You have said that Greg verified that your cars numbers were on the list he has. So that means that he has found info on your car in the paperwork he has. If this is the case, why can't he give a copy of it to you? What did he do with the info after he verified your car as a COPO? Did he memorized all this info and verify your car from memory?
James

Originally posted by Bain:
wow Mr. ss427 now you have me cornered NOT, tell me why I need to explain this to you, give me a good reason, a really good reason, and I might just tell you the whole story from beginning to end, I know everyone wants to know, so can anyone come up with a compelling reason why I should bother, becasue I will. Your alleged identification of these so called discrepancy are not descrepancies at all they are really quite explainable, really, but why should I bother, what give the right to know my business Mr. Snoopy. Give me one compelling reason jsut one! Because you're trying to get $54,900 for it. 55 large is a pretty compelling reason, at least for me. So what's the deal? Did you swap the gauges? What is the real deal with the heads? If you were asking $500 instead of $55,000, I could understand the "screw all of you" attitude, but you are asking for a hell of a lot of money, and not giving back much "bang for the buck".

Originally posted by Bain:
tell me why I need to explain this to you, give me a good reason, a really good reason, and I might just tell you the whole story from beginning to end, I know everyone wants to know, so can anyone come up with a compelling reason why I should bother, becasue I will..because there's 30+ pages of this drama between this bb and the others :D
plus,I've remained fairly cordial myself.I only deal with facts,not speculation.There's plenty of negative banter as there is positive banter in regards to the topic of this car and your self Bain.

guys like me preventing the car from getting bids, well that just made my day, thanks for the complement. august being a slow month!! what an ridiculous statement, who fed you that line of bull? greg? in the supercar market, people that buy these cars don't have to "save" the money, that got plenty of that, they just gotta dodge the dopes like yourself, THATS what takes the time in completing a transaction, making sure some fool hasn't butchered a car and try to slam one up their back side. YOU made this whole thing everyones business, i happen to have a better foundation than you!! and the post by 1ss427, thats just icing on the cake. and YOU trying to be cordial, HA , REREAD some of your early posts on both forums, the only reason you changed your tone was because you know you were getting your plow cleaned making you look like a total idiot. i don't give rats ass less what you think of me and my DEMEANOR, as long as your posting your CRAP, i'll post right along with ya.

Bain,

When you bought the car, did it have a KK rear and a 454 in it, or not. That's a straight out question, as plain as I can make it. Anything other than a yes or no answer is dodging the question.

Bain,

Does your car really have Power Door Locks like it says in the auction description? Was it original from the factory? Below was an option for it in 1969..

A93 Vacuum Door Locks, '69

Has anybody ever heard of ONE COPO or YENKO coming with this sort of "creature comfort", besides maybe power steering? Just curious.

You guys may as well accept that you will NEVER get a straight answer or solid proof from this guy. He just thinks its fun to mock everyone and see how long he can **** everyone off. His tap shoes and his top hat must be worn out by now.

Musclcar freak thats funny

Buzzbomb, no it did not come from the factory like that, nor did it come from the factory with an alarm, I added them and I like it!

Hemi Kid ~ Straight Question Straight answer.

It came with a 427 that I have had an opportunity to do a lot of research on it as to it's origins, and within a couple of days I don't mind answering that question completely. The reason I don't want to say now is becasue I would be making a slanderous statement and defaming a known dealer of mucsle cars and I don't want to do that unless I am sure it's true, they may not care, but I have one more fact to run down and I want to be right, I don't know if you are aware of this but the 512 block was used for both the 427 and 454, with probable full productions of this block being used mostly for the 454 beginiing around Mid to late 1969 so I will give you the history of the engine situation as soon as this one fact is in.

KK NO NO, Russell Gendreau the 5th owner of the car 1982 - 2002 adimently stated that this car has busted three axles in his time. Not the original, further he stated that amongst the three friends of his who owned the car from
1975 - 1982 it always had a 4.10 rear end, also stated that the second owner(his friend)bought it from the first owner with the 4.10 in it and was told that came original with the car; presumably this is the guy who bought it from Baugher Chevrolet in Wayneboro VA if you believe this statement from Chevy454 I don't know they say he's honest and wouldn't lie, well we will consider it true for now. Why not we can always back track right. ;)

I don't think your question has been dodged (excuse the pun), do you care to hear the rest of the engine sawga after I have one more fact in place or are you satisfied Mr. Hemi Kid. (The Mopar guys came over to my house last night and they were looking for you)!!! :eek:

Square Deal Al graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Mark V your OTR

And further Mark V you state that I've had my plow cleaned, and I stated a long time ago, MOB justice, I still a few Mob Rule Suits left with all the accessories, yea it's pretty easy to slam someone when 30 people are up against 1 and most of them are spouting off crap they have no idea is true or not, their just mad coz someone else is mad in the group, hey lets all be mad together and beat this guy up and hang em, YEA YEA lets get em, and then everybody's small opinion is entered like a feeding frenzy like animals. I am holding my own and you can't stop me coz I am too cool for you :cool:

Originally posted by Bain:

nor did it come from the factory with an alarm
I was asking because that would have been a for sure COPO killer- too bad you added it and it wasnt built that way. I was hoping you would fall into your own trap. Why would anyone add power locks to a supposed COPO Chevelle anyway?

You arent holding your own with this. You are grasping at straws- the final one is copoloco and his credibility; whether he likes it or not. If your "source" turns out to be BS, your final straw will be the one who breaks the camels back.

I'm through with this thread until Copoloco posts back on it. Even then, it will be out of sheer curiousity, because frankly I dont care whether that car is a COPO or not. And no, your car is not in the same class as the links I posted- not with power door locks and all that phunky schtuff. Sorry graemlins/clonk.gif .

Originally posted by Bain:


and within a couple of days I don't mind answering that question completely.I think it is quite interesting that Bain will only release this informatioin after his Ebay auction closes ???

Did anyone else pick up on this tidbit ???

Funny Bain why would you waste the Money to list your car over and over again ??? YOu will never get $55,000 for it on Ebay without the papers to prove it and after people see this thread and even with the Documenation the question of it's valitity will always be there - We all know that Greg built his reputation on VIN Stamps - and the like - HONESTLY to me he does not seem like the kinda guy I would trust when it comes to Documentation - Why?you ask - quite simple A man who makes his living Providing a service to Alter your VIN STAMPS and the like does not seem like an reputable business person. Plus even if Greg does come up with the mystery documents - there still lies the trail to Crane Corvettes where you purchased a 512 block and had it stamps to match your VIN!!!!

Bain as we all said before your car is nice looking - honestly it looks better then ours (but then ours has yet to be restored) But if you asked everyone here what car they would rather purchase - OURS (1968 Chevelle SS 396 -375 HP with all documentation but missing alot of the original components) or YOURS (1969 so called COPO-NOPO which looks alot better) I think they would pick ours - why you ask - We never said our car was this or that - and we have every piece of documentation to prove it is what we say it is - that my friend is what you need to sell your car for the price you are asking.

Now give it up will ya - either keep your car and enjoy it of sell it for what it is a 1969 Chevelle (nothing more nothing less) and go away.

Bain I'm not being snoopy, all this info is clearly shown along with your auction. How is that being snoopy? Heck if you can answer my questions that are posed to you,
I might just give you your asking price. I'm not asking anything any buyer wouldn't ask. And if you have nothing to hide you should answer these questions.

Bain,
I will be at several national shows in the next several months including the SuperCar reunion Labor Day weekend in Collinsville. Consider this an open invitation to join me/us at one of our many gatherings around or near the cars for a beer. I/we would very much enjoy meeting you in person and having a discussion face to face with you. Are you up to the invitation?

It's amazing how small of a town Wayneborro really is. In fact within two phone calls I got ahold of one of the old mechanics that worked at Baugher for ove 34 years His name is Gary by the way, I also talked to John and Niether of them ever remember ANY SUPERCARS being sold threw the dealership, in fact Gary owns Mr. Baugher's 69 Big Block RS Camaro Convertible which he said was the badest car threw the dealership that year.
Although he did say there where alot of SS396 cars threre where to his knowledge NO COPO CARS.

TOOO BAD!

Bain, why didn't you answer my questions? I will post them again in case you missed them. In an earlier post someone brought up an interesting thought. You have said that Greg verified that your cars numbers were on the list he has. So that means that he has found info on your car in the paperwork he has. If this is the case, why can't he give a copy of it to you? What did he do with the info after he verified your car as a COPO? Did he memorized all this info and verify your car from memory?
James

finally i read through all the posts i lost track how many, now my mind feels like mush graemlins/clonk.gif

oh and i just found my buildsheet. it says that my car is one of those rare copo el camino's

ps does it really matter if the documentation is written in crayon?

deck6972, No it doesn't matter in fact word on the street is you can take your documentation to some guy named Gary in Indiana and he will stamp your block for you, in crayon even.

Hey will ya look at that! I got my flag! Only had to pay a paltry $20 to be a member of the best Chevelle site on the planet! Well I didn't expect a reply to my difficult question anyway seeing as how some of the "easy" questions have gone unanswered. So I will assume that you are a prior service tanker. Please step forward for your beating!

Hey Buzzy, who ever said anything about power windows, you can take the locks out if you want it's really simple, and my car is close to the one that was shown, obviously not in the same class, but it wouldn't take a lot to get near that one.

If I found someone who had my docs I would pay to have them in my hand!!!! There is someone which I dont like to post names that will give you copys and only copys of your paperwork for about 8k and not wait for 2-3 months for some guy to make up his mind if he is going to release them or he just does not have time to deal with it. Any car I have purchased I checked out to make sure what it is especially a few that I have which are "REAL" super cars. It is hard to believe that all of the sudden you find out you have a COPO car. I guess being around cars since I was a kid I have never seen anything like this discussion about ONE car!!!!! Bain instead of dragging this out any further just put your hand down and show us your full house and let the game end it is not a matter of who is out witting who here just the truth that is all that matters. If you are man enough to admit you were wrong then so be it that says more about you than anything else!!!!! Sean

Bigsarge you lost me "I am a service tanker step foeward for a beating" it must be some military lingo my Dad never shared with me

1SS427 ~ And your point?

I don't know did you ask him about a nondescript gold Chevelle delivered on 12 -3 68, might have had a big block. The thing is I am still not sure about the info on the delivery of that car, secondly COPO's could easily go unnoticed especially a bench seat column shifter. While a BB Camaro well now everyone that was there probably remembered that.

SS396 ~ Maybe but there is still other bits of evidence that point elsewhere. I am checking on a couple of things maybe that will shed some light.

Listen did these mechanics look and inspect every new car ??? did you ask them that???

Just asking them if they remember a COPO car or a super car isn't reall a good way of getting information you can draw conclusions from. Why don'y you give me there number and I will do it.

again 1ss427 you want to buy the car you know what to do

looks like the biddings picked up a bit

Dear Mr. Rick Nelson,

Thank you for the invitation I very much appreciate that. UNless Collinsville is in the vicinity of Houston I douby very seriously I will be there. I am doign what I can to speed the process to the truth abotu the car, and training for the upcoming season later this year.

Those are my main goals and where my time is spent, as you can also guess driving this car daily it require maintenance, tomorrow I am ordering the poly locks and redoing the valve adjustment when the come in. There is always something to do little things you know what I mean and actually I have current plan to go to Phukett for three months on September 6, 2004.

Although I might cancle that oen and just stay here.

Anyway if something comes up where that can happen I will let you know and thanks again!

Al

I would think a bench seat 427 COPO car would be quite the topic of conversation at ANY Dealership.
More so than a big block Camaro. Especialy being the Mechanic he would have special interest in that car being he is a classic car guy.
You never did answer the question as to how much the info from Greg was gonna cost should I decide to bid on your car.
Lets stop all the B.S. you show me some proof positive that it is what you say and I'll bid on your car. It don't get much simpler than that.

somebody needs to bid on it, not bringing much more than a 74 nova right now!

Originally posted by BIGSARGE:
Hey will ya look at that! I got my flag! Only had to pay a paltry $20 to be a member of the best Chevelle site on the planet! Well I didn't expect a reply to my difficult question anyway seeing as how some of the "easy" questions have gone unanswered. So I will assume that you are a prior service tanker. Please step forward for your beating! Sarge, my man, can I get in on this here pummeling? I figure I can step in on behalf of my father and the rest of the vets at VFW post 3199 in Modesto. Ready when you are. ;) :D


Youre cracking me up, sir. And graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif and a BIG thanks for all you do for this country.

I will start by saying I have absolutely nothing against armor crewmembers. They have pulled my can out of the fire more than once and in the right setting they are truly an awesome part of our combined arms team. Based on the "Bainism" type of reply that I received, I have concluded that Mr Bain is neither a vet nor a prior service tanker (this is someone that was in the military serving on a Tank, which is a big armored vehicle with a big gun, hence the term tanker Mr Bain). So in light of the fact that it was just plain ignorance to use the term "grunt" in a derrogatory way on the part of Mr Bain, I will cut him a little slack. However, I fully expect, as I stated before that further use of the term "grunt" be used with deference and honor. If not, I will step to the front of the line (sorry but in this case rank Does have its privileges smile.gif ) to personnally Gorilla stomp a mudhole in his a$$ (read, administer a severe wall to wall counseling session). I can always use a trip to Fort Hood anyway! But, being the good sport that I am, if you find yourself in Europe anytime in the near future Mr. Bain, I will be glad to meet with you, give you a tour of some of our COPO Bradleys, Abrams, and humvees. After which you can buy me a beer and we will call it good.
Midnight Marauder and all my fellow TCer's, the offer is open to you as well with the exception that I will buy you the beer. And they have REALLY good beer here graemlins/beers.gif .
Thank you all with the support for the Armed forces.
It is refreshing to know that all the vets before, all the vets now and all the vets in the future have provided us all with the opportunity to enjoy our hobby, have a forum for our discussions and even the right for Mr. Bain to call us all a bunch of "stupid grunts" if he is so inclined to risk having his a$$ handed to him.

Originally posted by BIGSARGE:
I will start by saying I have absolutely nothing against armor crewmembers. They have pulled my can out of the fire more than once and in the right setting they are truly an awesome part of our combined arms team. Based on the "Bainism" type of reply that I received, I have concluded that Mr Bain is neither a vet nor a prior service tanker (this is someone that was in the military serving on a Tank, which is a big armored vehicle with a big gun, hence the term tanker Mr Bain). So in light of the fact that it was just plain ignorance to use the term "grunt" in a derrogatory way on the part of Mr Bain, I will cut him a little slack. However, I fully expect, as I stated before that further use of the term "grunt" be used with deference and honor. If not, I will step to the front of the line (sorry but in this case rank Does have its privileges smile.gif ) to personnally Gorilla stomp a mudhole in his a$$ (read, administer a severe wall to wall counseling session). I can always use a trip to Fort Hood anyway! But, being the good sport that I am, if you find yourself in Europe anytime in the near future Mr. Bain, I will be glad to meet with you, give you a tour of some of our COPO Bradleys, Abrams, and humvees. After which you can buy me a beer and we will call it good.
Midnight Marauder and all my fellow TCer's, the offer is open to you as well with the exception that I will buy you the beer. And they have REALLY good beer here graemlins/beers.gif .
Thank you all with the support for the Armed forces.
It is refreshing to know that all the vets before, all the vets now and all the vets in the future have provided us all with the opportunity to enjoy our hobby, have a forum for our discussions and even the right for Mr. Bain to call us all a bunch of "stupid grunts" if he is so inclined to risk having his a$$ handed to him. graemlins/hurray.gif

And BigSarge - salute from the Chevelle guys at National Defence here in Ottawa Canada. We have a few Americans from the Armed Forces working with us on Trade, they are all good folk!

Bain, why didn't you answer my questions? I will post them again in case you missed them. In an earlier post someone brought up an interesting thought. You have said that Greg verified that your cars numbers were on the list he has. So that means that he has found info on your car in the paperwork he has. If this is the case, why can't he give a copy of it to you? What did he do with the info after he verified your car as a COPO? Did he memorized all this info and verify your car from memory?
James

reason being is when they went thru the paperwork, it was any, meny, miny, mo, yep there it is bain, wow man you got a copo.

Hey Big Sarge, your right I didn't go the route of the military, although most of my family did, and I grew up in the military environment, so did my grandfather. I chose instead to spend most of my adult life R&D armor systems for Police and military personnel. I have several patents that represent world first designs that are in sue with our special forces around the world, you might have heard of it or seen it. It is flexible rifle armor. So I havent served but I have helped protect in support positions and have been ALL over the world testing and interacting with military admin, rank and file and officers and police everywhere, so I am not an ignorant man about the service.

as for the rest of this the price on finding collating verifying and packaging this documentation has been quoted to me at 2000K and not until later in October or November before it can all be completed.

So what to do, I guess let the bid run it's course and not put it up again until the docs are in.

Originally posted by Bain:
2000KOMG! 2000K (dollars)? You do know that's over two MILLION, don't you? (It depeneds on if you're a geek and K means 1024 to you)...

So what to do, I guess let the bid run it's course and not put it up again until the docs are in. Bain this would be your best course of action at this point....

Originally posted by Bain:
Hey Big Sarge, your right I didn't go the route of the military, although most of my family did, and I grew up in the military environment, so did my grandfather. I chose instead to spend most of my adult life R&D armor systems for Police and military personnel. I have several patents that represent world first designs that are in sue with our special forces around the world, you might have heard of it or seen it. It is flexible rifle armor. So I havent served but I have helped protect in support positions and have been ALL over the world testing and interacting with military admin, rank and file and officers and police everywhere, so I am not an ignorant man about the service.Seems to me that, if all this were true, you'd have had more sense than to show disrespect to our men and women in uniform by using the term "stupid grunts". But I could be wrong.

However, since you're so well traveled in the military circles, I hope you take BIGSARGE up on his offer of hospitality when you're next in Europe. You should have no trouble affording to buy a round of beer or two. And perhaps you can give an education on how to better armor those vehicles.

I'll even bet that there will be a few people there who will be more than willing to help you with more R&D on your own personal armor system.

BTW, are you married to Morgan Fairchild? "Yeah! That's the ticket!"

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Enjoy!

CJ you know nothing about it, and yea I can afford a beer for Big Sarge.

As for the grunt comment I am sure it wasn't aimed at the military I am sure of it, but if I am wrong and spoke carelessly out of anger I apologize. I have the utmost respect for our military, there are without a doubt the best in the world and do an important job.

Yes Mr. Belair thats what to do, I dont have to pay till I see them and I can get an opinion as well prior to that, so I am not worried about the authenticity thing. well thats it anyone else or is it over?

Chad, LOL...I actually "got" that Morgan Fairchild remark. Must be all those nights of watching SNL when I was a teen.

"Yeah, yeah...that's the ticket. I'm a member of the PLO. The Pathologic Liars Ononymous..."

Wow! An accomplised inventor, Golfer, World traveller, etc. Is there anything Bain cannot do?(Other than string together a coherent sentance using proper grammer.) :D

Seriously, Bain... you have a nice car, but continuing this discussion does not help your cause. If it *IS* real (the more I read, the more I doubt it), just get the docs, and come back and make all of us "eat crow". smile.gif

Hello Novadude Yes Mr. Belair thats what to do, I dont have to pay till I see them and I can get an opinion as well prior to that, so I am not worried about the authenticity thing. well thats it anyone else or is it over?

So yea that was already stated, as for the rest of your comments, I have had an interesting life.
and I dumped Morgan a long time ago, she's not all that believe me.

I am only an average mechanic or car restorer, I had help with the tough stuff, wiring, engine work, but I did a lot of work myself and did a good job, and learned a lot, maybe I can show you the pics of the process or maybe you've seen it all before, you seen one you've seen them all.

Anyway your sarcasm is duly noted and just for the record prior to 2000 I was the CEO for Armor Technology Corp for 12 years, a company I founded and I did a lot of good work in the armor field that I am very proud of and feel like I helped save a lot of lives with the work we did, so whatever I don't care what you think about that, it's a fact that really can't be disputed.

PLease can we end this now I am going to get the paper work and come back then graemlins/waving.gif