Just a quick question. Did all the Chevelles (especially the 69's) negative battery cable ground to the alternator bracket with a bolt/nut?

I believe this is so, but on mine (and the cables are not original) the cable runs across the bracket and is attached to where the bracket bolts to the intake.

The "proper" way would be to attach it to the alternator bracket with the bolt ran through the bottom and nut on top, correct?

Thanks,

JR

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JR
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[This message has been edited by jerryr (edited 12-26-2002).]

On the 70's, the cable was attached to the bracket with a self tapping bolt. Through the years, the hole becomes stripped and most people, myself included, have used a bolt and nut instead. I have mine attached as follows: bolt, cable terminal, external star lockwasher, bracket, nut. The nut is on the bottom, bolt head on top. The star lockwasher gives the assembly a good bite for a good ground AND prevents any loosening of the bolt. Originally, there was just a self tapping bolt, from the top, through the cable terminal and then into the bracket. Was like that on both my wife's 70 Malibu and mine. Both were purchased new in 1970.

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MalibuJerry350
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[This message has been edited by MalibuJerry350 (edited 12-26-2002).]

Well JR and Jerry, your comments really got me thinking. My negative cable actually goes down and grounds against the block on the front passenger side.

I just checked the Assembly Manual and it appears the base V8 (and possibly all small blocks) was grounded to the alternator bracket. However, for the BB's it does show going to the block like mine.

Hope this helps.


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Of course yours is correct Don http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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Thanks for the info guys. I was actually looking at my Assembly Manual (Xmas gift) that made me go look at mine. It looks like the '69 had a bolt/nut combo. I'll look again when I get home.

Don, I do remember seeing the cable attach to the block in one illustration, but I thought that was the L6... Thanks for clearing that up, it now makes sense.

Thanks again guys...

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JR
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JR - here's a little confirmation on that stuff. Assembly manual references:

12/A4 - L6 block, V8 bracket.
L34/A7 - View 'B', block.

Nick - was there ever any doubt http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif


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Thanks Don. I'll look at it when I get home tonite (like I wasn't going to be flippin' through it anyway http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif )

Thanks again

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JR
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I believe on '69 BB's it actually attaches to the head in front of the exhaust manifold. I don't think there is a tapped hole in the block in that area.

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Thanks a lot Von, now you made me go out and check mine http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif. It is in fact the head as you have stated, the view in the manual is not that definitive. Well done pal http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif


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That was one of the things I've paid attention to on the Stock Class '69's at Chevellabration.

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[This message has been edited by von (edited 12-27-2002).]

Well, as far as the 69 SB, it looks like mine is in the right place afterall. Looking at the assembly manual, it looks like mine should mount on the alternator bracket, but it uses the bolt on the back side where the bracket connects to the intake. I remember my 70 was mounted with a bolt through one of the holes in the alternator bracket (like Jerry said).


Thanks,


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[This message has been edited by jerryr (edited 12-27-2002).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by von:
That was one of the things I've paid attention to on the Stock Class '69's at Chevellabration.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I noticed that too...Good info guys.

MalibuJerry, is your car a SB with AC?
I've looked at a lot of 69 & 70s for reference on this very question.
Your mounting sounds right for a SB air car.
Seems most of the SB non-air cars have a "clip" where your cable attaches, and the cable actually ataches at the same stud where the alt bracket is mounted. (the thermostat housing)


jerryr- is your car a SB non-air car?
Is there a clip on the alt bracket that holds the cable in place there?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoeMan:
MalibuJerry, is your car a SB with AC?
I've looked at a lot of 69 & 70s for reference on this very question.
Your mounting sounds right for a SB air car.
Seems most of the SB non-air cars have a "clip" where your cable attaches, and the cable actually ataches at the same stud where the alt bracket is mounted. (the thermostat housing)


jerryr- is your car a SB non-air car?
Is there a clip on the alt bracket that holds the cable in place there? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The car IS a SB(350)car, but was ordered without air. There is a hole drilled and tapped on the top of the alternator bracket to which the negative battery cable attaches. I'll go out in the morning and snap a picture and post it. This was/is the original method of attaching the cable on this car, not on the thermostat housing bolt.
My wife's 70 Chevelle was the same, also without air, but with a 307.


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The 1970 350/250hp air car that I'm working on right now has a hole in the center of the alt bracket drilled and tapped with a large sheet metal screw, as Jerry has described. Its a one owner original car.

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Here's a picture.

alternator bracket (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/tempbracket.jpg)

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Original owner '70 Chevelle.
595,000 miles on car.
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Yes, my 69 is also a non-AC car and it does have the clip for holding the cable. I remember the 70 I had was an AC car with a 307 and it was exactly like MalibuJerry's, that's why I had assumed mine was incorrect. Since my 69 is a non-AC car, I think mine is mounted correctly afterall (based on the assembly manual). Maybe it was different from 69 to 70. Anyone with a 70 assembly manual??

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Body work and interior started June 02 - UPDATED 9/29/02 (http://www.erols.com/ruther/69conv/bodywork)

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[This message has been edited by jerryr (edited 12-29-2002).]

There were no clips holding the negative battery cable on the 70 SB Chevelles, according to the assembly manual (and my memory). The positive cable had one clip down on the frame near the fuel pump. The negative cable had a bolt, the cable terminal AND a lock washer before it screwed into the tapped hole on the alternator bracket. I just verified this with the 70 assembly manual. This, according to the drawing, pertained to the 13000 V-8 engine, except 13857-67. Drawing # 207 in the Millenium Industries copy of the manual. Another view on drawing #211 shows the path for model 13857-867, also with no clips. This is the drawing that pertains to my car, with the negative battery terminal closest to the fender (to your left, facing the engine).

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[This message has been edited by MalibuJerry350 (edited 12-29-2002).]

The 69 assembly manual definetly shows the cable with the clip. Also, the cable is on the right (as facing the engine). I guess all this is kind of mute for me. I'm not going for show car status, but when I replace/repair something, I am going to try and do it the "correct" way, if posssible....

Thanks for all the info.

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[This message has been edited by jerryr (edited 12-29-2002).]